It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison.
The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor.
The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy.
“They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021.
When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.
Everyone in this case is just stupid, and stupid people aren’t a threat to society, and putting these people in prison hurts the already-traumatized girl even further. She should be removed from the home and both adults should be liable for child support while also under a no-contact order until the child is 18 and can decide to continue it or not.
This probably doesn’t need to be said but Oklahoma is a shitty hellscape.
Sure, let’s just ignore all the rape because the defendants are stupid.
As you can see by reading my post, I did not ignore the sexual assault.
However, no one gains from these people being imprisoned and people who want others “punished” should not be in the room when adult decisions are being made.
A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.
You totally ignored the sexual assault. You said it’s just “stupidity.” Raping an 11-year old girl is a lot more than stupidity. They all need to go to prison.
My comment is pretty short and this should not be difficult to parse. I never forgot nor justified the sexual assault.
My other point is that your personal feelings here
A) are objectively wrong
B) are evil
I wouldn’t say you justified, buuuuuuut, you are literally reducing the punishment of the adults because of some perceived additional damage to the abused child. Which almost totally removes the accountability for the act, the only accountability in this case is separation, which would need to be done either way.
I would say this girl has been so unprotected by her guardians and the rest of the family that separation will be a net positive for her in the future.
You’re characterization of the other person’s totally normal opinion as evil tells me everything I need to know about you tho.
Yes. Punishment is meaningless in the current prison system and has no reason to exist other than to slake the bloodthirst of the populace.
If someone is not an imminent threat to others they should not be imprisoned.
You say the person who proudly rapes kids isn’t a threat to anyone? Go back to Reddit and stop trying to give Lemmy a bad name.
4chan for sure, Reddit wasn’t very pro pedo from my 15 years of experience.
Lmao nah
The dude who was in the relationship to the 12 year old and either didn’t realize his impact or didn’t care, as well as the mother you mean? I would argue they continue to pose a real danger to the daughter, and that man committed an egregious act of abuse on a child who was at worse coerced and at best a victim of a much older person.
I have no trust he won’t engage in this same behavior again. Unless you think it was just an exceptional 12 year old? Like have you met any 12 year olds so wise and beautiful you forgot about the fact they were 12 and just wanted to fuck a baby into them?
Although I totally agree that the prison system in the US is a sort of torture/slave labor system and many of the people engaged in that system are due to circumstances rather than “crime”.
Absolutely not the case here, this is a pretty easy call to make imo!
This would be why I suggested they not be allowed to contact said daughter
Once again for the folks in the back…
Without rehabilitation and lower recidivism it only makes things worse not better for society. More and better rehabilitation programs are needed. And we need to do a far, far better job of addressing poverty and child abuse.
Also, privatized prisons stand in the way of achieving the greater good here. Sort of like privatized healthcare and health insurance.
In this case we do gain, because less stupid people will otherwise go scotts free with playing stupid.
The law must consider intent to a certain degree, but it cannot be bent all the way if someone is considered too stupid to think about his own behaviour as problematic.
If we’re putting stupid people in prison for being stupid, were going to need a LOT more prisons.
People have a right to defend themselves. If society refuses to protect us by locking up criminals then you better loosen self defence laws A LOT and prepare for violence.
Nah. You can just stop being afraid all the time
“Hey 11 year old girl, just stop being afraid of being constantly raped by a grown man, it’ll fix everything.”
I’m clearly talking about you, and not her
No you’re not since I’m not the same guy you were replying to. You have some SERIOUS deeply set mental issues that require serious time in therapy, I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
Lmao no I really don’t. Lots of people on Lemmy do seem to, though.
Looking over your post history, you just don’t seem very intelligent, so I forgive you for the now two asinine comments you’ve left me.
Edit: spoke too soon. Hope you get the help you need, and unlike you, I do mean that genuinely.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and it hurts everyone you love. You’ll get through this.
I’m all for abolishing the vengeance-based system we have, but deterrence is a thing. So is keeping dangerous people away from potential victims. Obviously it only works to a point, and some people won’t be deterred no matter what, so unreasonably harsh penalties don’t help, but if people are allowed to rape children right out in the open with no consequences, more people are definitely gonna do it, because wanting to rape children is such a common thing there’s a whole political party that wants to make it legal (and has succeeded in many cases).
Hey thanks for at least not assuming I’m a pedophile because I have issues with the criminal justice system
I’m sure there’s a middle ground here wed find mutually acceptable
Ugh, people who do that are the worst.
We imprison rapists to ensure they do not harm others.
Violent rapists are indeed some of the few people I do support prison (with heavy reforms) for. They tend to have crazy high recidivism rates and need rehabilitation before release.
Honestly 95+% of rapists go free, so I lean toward restorative justice models, too, personally. Gotta destigmatize offenders getting help while taking accountability and helping victims. I say this as a victim of rape btw, and sexual assault, and harassment and distribution of sexual material without my consent. Prisons aren’t a viable solution.
Stupid people are absolutely a threat to society if they vote.
Not really relevant to the discussion
You said word for word that "stupid people are not a threat to society ". How is my comment not relevant to the discussion?
Because I clearly meant a danger than must be locked away, since literally every context clue is pointing in that direction
But they are a danger
They raped/enabled rape
That little girl is part of society, after all
She will likely have been raped again if they were free
Man I definitely should have mentioned that they should not be allowed near her.
In fact maybe I should have written that clearly, and elaborated upon it, in my op
Wait I did
And what about other 12 year old girls he may encounter? Or is she guaranteed to be the only one he’d ever rape
Did you read the article?
In your head maybe.
I’m sorry you’re near-illiterate :(
Talking to yourself isn’t healthy.
I have a degree in English lol
Maybe not so clearly.
Maybe read more. Idk what to tell you
Maybe work on your clarity. IDK what to tell you.
Yes my entire post about the ineptitude and barbarity of our prison system and how stupid people shouldn’t be imprisoned, but rather only legitimate societal dangers, is clearly about how people vote.
How could I ever fuck that up so badly
Fucking WILD comment you have made here my man. Maybe just turn yourself in to the police or a psych ward?
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You should have to have the words:
“I think pedophiles aren’t a threat to society and shouldn’t go to prison”
Tattooed on your face for the rest of your life.
You should have “I am a monster” tattooed on you for the rest of your life
…Because I think people that rape kids (a crime) should go to prison?
Okay you’re definitely just a troll. No one is that stupid.
I don’t get what you’re not understanding
No I get it now. I checked your profile and saw all your le epic trolling XD. Enjoy wasting your life with that shit dude.
Everything I post I genuinely believe.
The downside of being smart is not a lot of people agree with you.
Okay that one was pretty funny, I’ll give you that 😂