Want to ignore 26 laws to destroy protected wildlife refuge in order to build Trump’s wall for him? Sure! No problem!
Want to do anything that might benefit the poor? “No you stupid progressive. This must be your first election because you don’t understand how anything works. Everyone knows that we need a quorum of both houses to convene in a graveyard at midnight under a blood moon on the third Tuesday of the month, in accordance with the infield fly rule. Then, we wait for the appearance of the Great Pumpkin, so that we may know how to proceed.”
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Cool. The talking points are out.
I know, this thread was crazy without any real answers. At least now there’s legislative and executive record out there.
Yeah, now there’s excuses for waiving 26 laws in order to enforce one of Trump’s laws. Hooray.
Just one excuse, the law that Congress won’t repeal since they’re down with the wall, but yea.
Well, as long as you’re honest that you’re making excuses.
As far as “excuses” go, respecting the Constitution and the legislative process are pretty good ones.
Spoken like a true John Oliver, bravo and agreed
Well, my main concern regarding the border wall no matter who is trying to build it, is the destruction of protected wildlife refuge and habitat, being that I’m an environmental conservationist. It pains me to hear about wild-lands and woodlands being clear-cut in the name of greed or something that doesn’t make much sense.
I live not too far from the section of wall Biden is gonna build for Trump. I worry about the ocelots.
I wasn’t aware a president could just “waive away” federal law.
marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.
It’s shitty all the way around.
The controversial work, which included construction on federally designated wilderness, was permitted under the Real ID Act. Created in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the act grants DHS the authority to waive any law, including bedrock statutes meant to safeguard the environment and areas of cultural significance, to build border barriers in the name of national security
Fuckn hell
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The article is misleading, Biden is actually explicitly not ignoring this law that is from 2019: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Look. The system works.
Yup. It’s too bad that something functioning correctly doesn’t mean it’s functioning well.
26 laws waived for Biden to build Trump’s wall for him, and we won’t help the poor because [stack of excuses].
Why are you blaming Biden and not Congress?
Because Congress didn’t waive 26 laws to enforce 1.
Wow, you even misunderstood the TLDR.
Congress is building this wall from a baby hands law in 2019 that broke those federal laws, Biden tried to stop the wall legally, Congress told him no, and to your last point he just canceled 90 billion dollars of debt for a poor people.
You could be more wrong, but it would be hard to imagine how.
Alright man enough with the “baby hands” stuff. It was slightly humerus the first time I read it but after seeing you post it for the third time it just makes you look sad now. We get it. You don’t like him. You look like a conservative who repeats “sleepy Joe” unironically.
Edit: holy shit you made the same comment 10 times. Nah, I’m good.
As soon as diaper don stops calling names, he’ll stop receiving the same treatment.
Oh, and yeah a lot of people were asking why. I just reposted the answer to everybody who asked why this was happening.
Mod hat:
Hey, there are a millions of ways of making fun of Trump without body shaming. Body shaming affects everyone, and Trump will not see your comment.
I completely agree that name calling should be off the table, but as long as baby hands continues to body shame and use pejorative nicknames on public forums, I have no problem with equal treatment.
I don’t see the benefits of giving special treatment to abhorrent people.
So he’s following the one that’s actually an issue. Cool.
Patriot Act had a lot of babies
Why do you think The President is beholden to congress? The separation of powers explicitly says that isn’t the case and if there is something the president is doing that the other 2 branches of government say he shouldn’t do, there is a specific process for such a thing. Otherwise he has enormous leeway to do what he feels should be done even if some dumb asses in congress or on the internet don’t want it to be the case.
I get what you’re saying, but there’s a lot more to separation of powers than this. You might be well aware of all this, but for those that aren’t, here’s a giant wall of text.
The executive branch’s powers are clearly defined and including acting as the head of the military, the head of foreign affairs, and the executor of the laws congress passes. It is quite restricted by congress in many ways. Of course, the executive branch has emergency powers and limited ways around the laws congress enacts, but that’s not the default and it is very much intended to be restricted by congress.
The executive branch also has room to make interpretations (create regulations) and to prioritize certain laws when they come into conflict.
This is what they’re doing here. They have weighed the laws (from congress) they are tasked with enforcing, which includes (a) specific immigration restrictions and (b) a variety of other ones that could impact their ability to execute the immigration restrictions (the “26” laws waived, including water and environmental protections). The DHS (an executive branch agency) has determined that (b) these 26 place an undue burden that prevents them from executing (a) the immigration restrictions, and is therefore temporarily waiving (b).
You can read the actual order here: https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2023-22176.pdf
Notice that it does not say it’s randomly waiving laws of its own accord without a law that it is executing. It is clearly referencing the statues (enacted by congress) that it is acting on. It is identifying that it is failing to execute some laws, but only so it can prioritize another one it has deemed more important for this specific action. It’s also become popular for the executive branch to use emergency decrees to act unilaterally, but these are supposed to be much more limited and a functioning judiciary/congress should hold the executive accountable when this happens.
What the executive branch is NOT doing here is very important too. It is NOT deciding it doesn’t want to do what congress says. Congress could rewrite the immigration law or any of the other 26 laws to change the way the executive branch executes them, if it feels the executive is implementing them wrong. And the judicial branch could easily weigh in on this if someone affected brings the case to them.
Agreed with what you are saying. But the important thing I was getting at is that the Executive Branch isn’t paralyzed just because Congress passes a web of laws that make all actions of the executive unlawful. They are fully autonomous and able to prioritize what laws they enforce, and how they enforce them which is absolutely what they are doing here. Though obviously leftists would prefer that Biden enforce different laws with different priorities.
Very true. Even just writing (or rewriting) the regulations is full of ways to get whatever the executive branch wants.
It’s fine. When the migrant workers and others performing the “unsavory” jobs aren’t around to fulfill them any longer, we’ll just fill the positions with influencers who aren’t doing any real work anyway. Although I think it would be funny as hell to see Trump in an orange jumpsuit working the fields.
It’s always weird to me when I see liberals espousing the sentiment that we need foreign workers, or else who will do all the shitty work we don’t want to do?
It’s just as disturbing and racist to me as the “keep them migrants out of my country!” Take conservatives generally have. Americans are fucked right up man.
To be fair a couple of states cracked down hard on illegal immigrants and millions of dollars of crops rotted cause there was no one there to pick em. The states reversed course pretty fast.
Americans are pretty lazy at this point, and I speak as an American.
Which tells me that American farms would rather watch crops rot than pay people a proper living wage.
That’s fucked up.
This is also true, but that true across most industry in America at this point.
If pay is even across the board than why would one person want to toil in the sun vs sit on thier bum and deal with angry customers. Most pick the angry customers…
Even when the more manual labor jobs do pay well, a ton of people quit after a day or two, granted they’re usually younger people who didn’t realize what the job would entail.
Nobody said pay should be equal across the board. We’re talking about exploitation of migrant workers here man.
I’m not saying that either I’m saying Americans are lazy and have no sense of work ethic and immigrants regardless of what they’re paid (not that I want them to be paid anything but the fair wage anyone else should be entitled to) are a required part of our work force and I’m grateful for the work they do. We wouldn’t have roads or building, or food. Some get paid well, some get paid shit. Im not a farmer so I can’t tell you if they chose to let the whole seasons crop go to waste over paying others more to pick said crops, or if they just didn’t have anyone that wanted to do actual work. From my narrow view, I have the tendency to think that no one wanted to work.
Honestly, I think I took your comment to mean something it didn’t. I’m sorry for any misunderstanding.
Farm work is a lot different today than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Back in the '80s and '90s, it wasn’t uncommon for kids in rural communities to do farmwork like picking berries.
Fast forward to today and that would never happen. Farmers have very exacting standards and require very high productivity standards that only skilled adult laborers can meet. They’re not going to hire kids or other Americans.
This reporter did a good job capturing just how fucking difficult farmwork is:
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I’m a conservative. I want immigrants to come legally. We need to provide paths for people to come here.
Honestly immigrants tend to work harder and still believe in the American dream. I have more in common with the immigrants than I do most liberals. They don’t see America as failing, they seem as the land of opportunity.
My roommate is an immigrant. Works 14 hour days, 5 days a week. He loves what America has provided for him.
Honestly immigrants … still believe in the American dream
That’s because they’re new. Just wait until they’ve had the rug yanked out from under them a few times while someone tut-tuts about bootstraps.
He’s been here for twenty years. He made 500k last year. He’s a big advocate of pulling yourself up from your bootstraps. That’s his story as an immigrant from Mexico who had nothing and now has a good career.
More Americans could learn from immigrants and pulling themselves up instead of expecting things to come to them.
You know the phrase pulling yourself up by your boot straps was first invented to make fun of people like you? Lmao
And people like me don’t care what people like you think. While you are trying to mock people, we are crushing it.
$500k and lives with a roommate.
Ok
Someone is awfully judgy. He’s a traveling nurse. He goes from assignment to assignment.
I’m only at that house a few weeks out of the year. So I have no issue renting a room to a good cause.
Lol, no. Been here 20 yrs, pull in great money as a sr software engineer in the valley and I still think America is the land of opportunities and call it home. I started with 0 dollars in my bank with a simple part time job that would pay me $7.25 an hour at my local community college.
Sometimes, you actually do need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work hard to get to where you need to be. I’ve seen a lot of entitlement around me and people complaining without doing much of anything to fix it.
Complaining and not doing anything about it isn’t unique to the US. That said, America still offers a ton of opportunities for those looking to succeed, and there’s a reason why the American economy commands ~28% of the world’s GDP. All things considered and if this admin stays in office for another term, I see the opportunities increasing even further.
Americans and conservatives really are fucking idiots eh?
Show me where I said “Americans and/or conservatives are fucking idiots”.
The entitlement is what is killing our country. People just want the nanny state to take care of them.
I grew up poor, and was told if I did X Y and Z i would be successful. I did those things. I was successful. I had liberal friends who were surviving paycheck to paycheck. I put them on the same plan and they gasp became successful.
It is why I love immigrants. They don’t listen to people who say you can’t be successful in America. They just come here and crush it.
My take is that it appears to be driven by mentality rather than whether somebody is an immigrant or not. People, immigrant or not who like putting in the work end up succeeding while those that complain or act entitled do not. It’s plain as day, nobody is going to give you a hand out so you have to work for it. Welcome to capitalism. It sucks, but get with it or you lose.
I’ve got successful immigrant and non immigrant friends and those that end up succeeding also end up being like minded. That said, I do think that, yes, immigrants more commonly have the “work hard or fail” mindset given their prior socioeconomic status typically ends up being unfavorable which serves as a catalyst for them.
I agree with entitlement becoming more and more common these days but that can also be attributed to people being generally more outspoken and having platforms to voice their concerns.
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I have no qualms about being a conservative. Also, Lemm.ee isn’t a house.
Why do you think immigrants wouldn’t come legally if that was an option?
I do. I clearly said that.
What’s so weird about telling the truth? That you’re uncomfortable about it?
It’s not like you can be an illegal immigrant and walk into an office building and go through the corporate HR process to get hired on a white collar job. The desirable jobs will mostly require proof of citizenship or a work visa. Therefore the illegal immigrants will be looking for the under-the-table work which is usually the undesirable jobs.
Well that certainly wasn’t my intent in my statement, it was more just an observation that so many Americans are too damn entitled to do the work that others are happy to get paid for.
People would do it if they were paid properly to do it. We shouldn’t have to imperialize and impoverish other countries to the point that they have to make dangerous journeys to come to do shitty jobs (and when I say shitty I mean ridiculously underpaid) or else crops will rot. Getting mad at the people for not wanting to do these jobs is aiming your anger at entirely the wrong people.
Is working for more than slave wages “entitled” now?
No, but complaining about things not being done to your satisfaction when you’re not willing to do the job yourself certainly is. It’s bad enough how many people are disgusted by the idea that their food actually comes from dirt, but it’s also pretty sad that these same people consider working on farms as menial labor not worthy of minimum wage when those workers are the ones actually putting in the hard labor.
Who’s complaining about satisfactory work? The illegals do fine work. They do it for a low wage and without the protection of labor laws because they’re illegal and have to take what they can get. Americans can get jobs where they are protected by labor laws and make more money, so they do. That’s not entitlement it’s common sense.
It’s sort of wink wink nudge nudge.
Student loans: I sleep
Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?
Did you miss todays announcement about student loans relief?
Yes! What was it? Oh my god I hope they’re actually gonna do something that affects me for once
The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-forgiveness/index.html
That is literally just them correcting admistrative errors not new relief
Can’t find any mention of that. As far as we know this is new relief.
Its literally in the article you linked
And its also fucking nothing. A drop in the bucket compared to the $10,000 promised to all. “Much supreme court” we know damn well there’s more he can do
… it’s literally not. You’re taking a single paragraph out of context. I’m assuming what you’re reading is:
The cancellations announced Wednesday come through three different existing debt relief programs that have been plagued with problems in the past. The White House is conducting what it calls “fixes” to a “broken student loan system."
They are also new cancellation through existing programs. They are not just administrative errors.
I’ll go ahead and paste the rest of the article’s text since apparently so many people are happy to vote without clicking.
Washington CNN —
The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.
The announcement comes just days after federal student loan payments restarted after a three-plus year pause.
Though the Supreme Court struck down President Joe Biden’s hallmark student loan forgiveness program, which promised up to $20,000 in debt relief for low- and middle-income borrowers, the administration has continued to find other ways to provide debt relief.
The cancellations announced Wednesday come through three different existing debt relief programs that have been plagued with problems in the past. The White House is conducting what it calls “fixes” to a “broken student loan system.”
An additional 53,000 borrowers will receive debt cancellation under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, which wipes away remaining student loan debt after qualifying public sector workers make 10 years’ worth of monthly payments.
Nearly 51,000 borrowers, who have been in repayment for at least 20 years, are getting relief thanks to a recount of their past payments. The administration has found that these borrowers already qualified for student loan forgiveness but were missing out because of past administrative errors.
And nearly 22,000 borrowers who have a total or permanent disability have now been approved for an automatic debt discharge through a data match with the Social Security Administration.
Biden, who made a campaign pledge to cancel some student loan debt, spoke about his administration’s recent efforts on Wednesday. His remarks were, in part, an effort by the White House to draw a contrast with the Republican-driven chaos on Capitol Hill, where Republican Rep. Kevin McCarthy was ousted as House speaker Tuesday.
“This kind of relief is life changing for individuals and their families, but it’s good for our economy as well. By freeing millions of Americans from the crushing burden of student debt, it means they can go and get their lives in order,” Biden said.
“They can think about buying a house, they can start a business, they can be starting a family. This matters, it matters to their daily lives,” he added.
A White House official said that the new discharges bring the total approved debt cancellation to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million borrowers so far during Biden’s time in office.
“For years, millions of eligible borrowers were unable to access the student debt relief they qualified for, but that’s all changed thanks to President Biden and this administration’s relentless efforts to fix the broken student loan system,” Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said in a statement.
He added that the announcement “builds on everything our administration has already done to protect students from unaffordable debt, make repayment more affordable, and ensure that investments in higher education pay off for students and working families.” In this June 2019 photo, a student works in the library at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia.
What happens if you don’t pay your student loans?
The Biden administration has also made efforts to make monthly student loan payments more affordable. This month, about 28 million borrowers will be required to make payments for the first time since accounts were frozen under the Trump administration to help people struggling financially due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
This summer, the administration launched a new repayment program that promises to lower bills for millions of borrowers. And a recently released Department of Education rule, which is set to take effect next year, aims to keep tuition at for-profit colleges and career programs in check.
The Biden administration is also pursuing another pathway to providing some student debt relief, but it’s not clear who would be eligible or how much debt would be canceled. Last week, the Department of Education said a potential new program could focus on certain groups of borrowers, like those who have seen their balances grow larger than what was originally borrowed despite making payments.
This pathway requires the Department of Education to undertake a formal rule-making process, which typically takes months or even years – and could still face legal challenges
The only thing that applies to me here is the new SAVE IDR plan. But hey, it still lowers my monthly payment a little bit AND let’s payments actually go to principal instead of just shaving off interest. It’s not nothing.
I would still like to see full debt relief, but I think that has to be a matter of legislation if I understand correctly. And I’ll take baby steps over nothing at all.
I can’t believe people here being so single minded. These are complex issues, each requiring their own solutions. Both things can be true. Biden is fighting student loans and illegal unchecked immigration is an issue, that he is trying to solve.
Applying for asylum shouldn’t be illegal. Unless you are Trump or Biden and you want play politics with immigration.
And if we want a Dem to win in 2024 then doing something about the number one concern in southern states is a good move
illegal unchecked immigration is an issue
Is it? I seriously don’t know.It is only illegal because of laws, change the laws and it suddenly is not illegal anymore.
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So because it’s not the best and greatest relief it shouldn’t be done according to you?
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?
Jim Crow Joe
We’re building the wall, Jack
Chocolate chocolate chip!
My first guess is that it was something they had to agree to as part of a deal. Like to keep the government open or something like that. Could very well be wrong though.
This was my guess as well but neither the linked source nor any other one I can find explain exactly why he did it.
It just feels so out of left field for the administration. I’m not saying the Biden administration is perfect cause its not, but border walls are not something he has ever given any indication of having as a priority.
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I mean, he didn’t do anything on it for almost three years, so I’d say it wasn’t really a priority
Fair point. Which is why it seems so odd.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
Found this. Basically the claim here is that funds were allocated to this project, and although some of those funds were redirected, congress never deallocated the rest, and therefore they have to continue to be used. I’m not totally convinced but it’s a more nuanced take than the comments here.
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Yeah and I can’t wait to see Republicans complain about this anyway.
Then: “Wahhhh! Democrats don’t care about the border!”
Now: “Wahhhh! Democrats are hypocrites, they break laws to be racist!”
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did. That’s all their platform is. That and hate
Why??? We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They’re not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.
There’s not a shortage of workers, but of wages.
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Except that US has an aging population and it’s going to get worse in future because the birth rates aren’t that high. Closing off border is going to fuck US in the long run.
Oh I agree the closing off the border is dumb. Only a tiny fraction of illegal immigration is over the border anyways: the vast majority is people overstaying Visa’s.
But the whole “aging population” issue is just more propaganda from corporate interests to try to find ways to get more workers and continue to suppress wages.
Why is the population aging in the first place? No one can afford to have children.
Yeah, but by then all the old people making the decisions will have milked the system dry and died.
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Thank you for sharing sources - it got real fucking quiet after these links lmao.
Haha, for sure. There was so much “clever zingers” getting thrown around that didn’t add up logically or even hypothetically. Shout out to OlPatchy2Eyes, who found this link first but got buried in all of the comments and one uppers.
I just redistributed it to anybody who asked “why is this happening?”
Can you please provide a source for Biden repeatedly asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds?
Oh, Whitehouse.gov has an actual timeline.
TLDR, day he became president, Jan 2021, He terminated wall funding he had legal control over, that’s what I mentioned about the money going back to the DOD, called for Congress to reallocate cheeto wall funding, that request has been active for 3 years, and there’s an official reiteration by the white house for Congress to cancel Cheeto wall funding.
Thanks!
For sure, have a good one
This one is with an interview of Biden:
Hopefully, they at least switched contractors.
Haha, I doubt it. It’s the same law from 4 years ago so everything is probably all the same.
Are you referring to a specific debacle with the contractors, or just the fact that the walls fell apart so quickly and were immediately rendered ineffective after wasting billions of dollars building them?
I just found this thread and tracked down the original for you.
Which explicitly states the same language, but from 2019.
Oh, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s the exact same law from 2019
yep!
Well, the contractors that the trump administration used were just bratva fronts. So I would hope that we’re at least not giving anymore money to violent pedophiles.
Oh, I don’t know anything about this. Do you mind giving a little exposition or throwing up a source I can read? Thanks
Wouldn’t it be better if immigration was easier? That takes away the argument of illegals taking jobs blah blah.
What a narrow view when one looks at historic pay adjusted for inflation. Your view literally supports a lower quality of life for everyone not willing to work for a slave wage, that illegal immigrants are willing to do.
To take it away from the list of topics Trump can run with…
Won’t a wall, supposing it’s somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?
Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
Finally, wouldn’t the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments’ budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).
Don’t get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it’s not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.
Fun fact, we closed the southern border because of racism in the 1800s. Before then, people could travel freely, and it wasn’t a problem in the slightest.
Considering that most illegal immigration happens by people overstaying a visa, not crossing the border, this is mostly performative.
Or at least that was true a few years ago. I don’t know if it’s changed at all.
Looks like a legacy baby hands decision, not a biden decision: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.
This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.
That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.
Oh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line
Those bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!
Reserve army of labor. Don’t try to solve the problem by ridiculing it. Offer a better solution.
People are allowed to make jokes, especially about things they can’t control directly. Read the room.
You missed mine.
Whoops! Sorry.
Text can be tricky sometimes. Without tone of voice or body language, sometimes I don’t catch stuff.
And adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh… checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don’t want to work anyway.
Jobs is just a thing people talked about but was never the actual issue. The issue has always been fear of change. Depending on the list you look at right now, Peso Pluma is between the #1 and #12 artist right now in music. There are areas of the country where knowing Spanish has become a near necessity to own a business.
Depending on how racist they are, it might be some #WhiteGenocide nonsense, or it might be that they have some honestly kind of legitimate concerns about changing culture, or they just don’t like seeing all the brown people around. It seems to vary a lot from person to person.
I’m not saying they’re right and I’m certainly not endorsing that way of thinking. I just think it’s important to understand the real reasons they’re all freaking out. It was never really jobs and always plain xenophobia.
That’s not an excuse to allow the wanton exploitation of migrant labor that does, whether you want to admit it or not, undercut US labor on the margins. Not to mention the tolerance of labor violations against undocumented workers undoubtedly trickles up to legal labor and harms a lot more workers than just the migrants.
Illegal border crossings are a serious problem and the proper solution is not to hand wave away conservative concerns about it. All that does is maintain the status quo wherein migrant laborers are kept in legal limbo, facilitating their continued exploitation. That’s bourgeois shit and if I wanted to get a little conspiratorial about it, I’d suggest that maybe that’s the whole point of the “Americans don’t want to do those jobs” rhetoric.
The proper solution is to legalize the migrants, get them documented, and protect them with US minimum wage and labor laws.
you are missing a key word, recorded. got to assume some arent counted which makes that number even higher, holy feck.
Or there’s one dude with a merry-go-round, making the number seem higher.
Old Spiders Georg
I’m just gonna leave it as a quote from the article. If the wording is messed up, it’s their problem. Good point, though!
So?
found the illegal immigrant
How does that affect anyone in the USA tho
It’s a huge problem in the towns and cities immediately on the other side of the border and that’s the primary concern here. Imagine where you live and 671 unhoused and unfed human beings walked into your town every. single. day. No local municipality in the world has the resources to deal with that. It has to be the federal government.
That’s not to suggest that building walls in the wilderness is an effective intervention. But it is an unfortunately popular one. It must be coupled with federal programs to receive, house, and find work for the people arriving at areas not blocked by a wall.
But the people living in those border towns don’t deserve to be burdened with a problem created by federal government policies. The feds need to fix the problem.
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“Nothing will fundamentally change”
20 miles isn’t enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what’s going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn’t release any actual details about it.
I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.
This is continuing baby hands legislation, not new biden legislation https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
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How about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won’t have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.
“Make your laws more convenient for me or I’m going to break them”.
A lot of people enter the country and become legal citizens every day.
They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
This is absolutely not true. This Democratic president allowed this one 20 mile section of border wall to be built, and also supports DACA, common sense immigration reform to increase legal immigration, increased work visas, and more. The leading Republican candidate is trying to build thousands of miles of wall, thinks people should be shot trying to cross the border, and says some people who are US citizens with Latin American heritage should be deported and their citizenship revoked. Where in the living fuck are you getting your information
Stay with me here, what if the democratic party just didn’t do those bad things at all? Or even better, what if we voted for a candidate that wouldn’t do those bad things to begin with?
There are plenty people in the Democratic party who would do things differently, but Republicans universally demonize immigrants and if in power would make life much harder for them.
We live in a democracy where there will always be disagreement between people on policymaking. If you didn’t disagree with a Democratic politician on anything at all, you’re probably in a cult of personality, a la Trump supporters. That in no way means you should stop advocating for the positions you support and voting for candidates that most align with your values.
What we’re talking about here is the difference between Democrats and Republicans after that cynical dude at the top said they were the same when they very much are not. If you don’t support a Democratic candidate in a 2 way race because you don’t support 15% of their positions, you are voting for the Republican, 95% of whose positions you don’t support
I’m not actually voting for either.
Until the USA gets preferential voting, I would suggest considering the repercussions.
Reread the last sentence of the comment you’re replying to.
No candidate will ever be ideal, and apathy just makes things easier for the worst ones. Get off your ass and vote.
I definitely vote in every election. But never for the democrats or republicans.
I misunderstood. If you’re participating in the process and doing what you believe in, that’s cool.
You’re absolutely right. We have the choice between a shit sandwich, and a fifty five gallon drum of pig shit that’s been left out in the summer sun in Texas for six weeks.
Either way, shit’s on the menu, but the bread does make it a bit more palatable.
I disagree with this too. The Democratic party has already moved in a more progressive direction from where they were 20, 30, 40 years ago, and it will continue to do so if we continue to vote for more progressive candidates and hold them accountable. I’ll vote for a Democrat any day of the week and I’ll be happy when they win
So you are a progressive neo-lib.
Nothing like those conservative neo-cons.
starts playing that song about high school rivalry from Grease
Dumb. Stop supporting the parties of capital. You shoot the fucker who gave you that choice, and then you take his non-shit sandwich.
How about we do a proper census?
No.
The party builds walls.
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.” George Carlin
My mentor, lost FAR too soon.
While I would gladly take more years of him being alive, Carlin had gotten really bitter in the years before his death. Where previously his rage was playful and tempered with humor and wit, his later stuff was just angry. It was a disappointing change.
Abortion is illegal in half the fucking country. It’s not the Democrat half. Shut the fuck up.
Abortion is illegal in half the country because DEMOCRATS refused to codify Roe v Wade into law, leaving it vulnerable to being rolled back by the Supreme Court.
They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
Not at all. This is baby hands law, and Biden has asked Congress to cancel it.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Biden’s executive order to halt construction on the wall didn’t work too well, did it?
For reference, the Trump administration built 458 miles of wall.
Has Mexico sent a check yet? Maybe PayPal?
And how many illegal immigrants did that 458 mile wall stop?
Jack shit
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
