• agent_flounder
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      1 year ago

      They’re just happy. I don’t see any Nazi armbands or flags, so therefore it isn’t really a Nazi dogwhistle.

      #/S

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      1 year ago

      And while he’s cultivated these fans for obvious reasons, it’s harder to make that stick, because it’s them, not Trump.

      Again, fuck the Nazis, fuck Trump courting the Nazis with his Nazi rhetoric, and fuck the complacent press giving him a pass because Trump stories are a lay-up cash grab for them and the GOP benefits them - I’m being descriptive here not prescriptive.

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        1 year ago

        Just to be clear trump is a Nazi. He is known to have a beloved copy of mein Kampf he left on his bedside table. He is known to quote sections of mein kampf. He is known to quote sections of Hitler’s addresses to the reichstad. His father was arrested at a kkk meeting. His father was so horrible to minorities woody Guthrie wrote an absolute banger about what a piece of shit he is. His father is a credibly alleged member of the German American bundists (ww2 American Nazi supporters). His father and himself have both been charged with harassing minority tenants to get them to leave. Trump’s father outright refused to sell to minorities extremely vocally.

        He’s a Nazi, it’s been very clear for a very long time.

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          This is a distinction without a difference, but while he’s perfectly comfortable courting Nazis with words and actions aligned with their views, I don’t think he’s ideologically a Nazi.

          He’s clearly fascinated with Hitler, and has probably read parts of Mein Kampf, and has almost definitely read speeches like the Reichstag address, but I’m not sure I believe he’s read the whole thing (not that that would indicate much in isolation), and I think the idea that he’d have it as a permanent fixture on his bedside table is laughable.

          I can’t find evidence of him quoting Mein Kampf (feel free to prove otherwise), but he certainly uses Nazi terms.

          I’m not one for sins of the father - this is a super-weak point to raise. Fred was unquestionably a racist piece of shit though, and it’s very plausible (though unconfirmed) he was a Nazi.

          I think Trump is a racist fascist that has an understandable fascination with historically effective populist fascist rhetoric, who relishes the positive attention he gets from Nazis, but I think he’s too self absorbed to be ideologically Nazi. This changes nothing though - his policy and rhetoric doesn’t change based on whether or not he’s an actual Nazi, or just functionally near-indistinguishable from one.

          • Madison420@lemmy.world
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            He’s ideologically a Nazi.

            That’s an ideology and his ex wife and a few other sources back it up.

            https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/07/trump-praised-hitler-to-john-kelly-new-book-claims.html

            He admits to owning multiple Nazi books and is apparently gifted them for “some reason” that totally isn’t that everyone knows he’s a Nazi.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

            Legit any amount of research about Trump leads you to a rather “peculiar” amount of nazism and Nazi references.

            It’s not sins of the Father, Fred is quite literally and admittedly like a super hero to trump and absorbed every shitty fucking lesson, you think he said “eh ok trying to kill this lady with high level cancer with contaminated carpet and drilling holes in her ceiling” but somehow said “woah daddy o, this Jew hating stuff is a bad trip, like a super bummer man”. No his actions show more than enough proof that isn’t at all the case.

            So a racist fascist that gets a peculiar amount of Nazi related gifts, says a lot of Nazi shit, acts like a shitty cartoon coyote of Hitler but isn’t a Nazi…

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              Fair enough - though honestly, I’m still skeptical he’s got the capacity to look beyond his own self-interest to genuinely give a shit about any particular ideology.