If ads weren’t riddled with malware or absolutely obnoxious…
Browsing without an ad blocker is cancerHey, remember when you could see more than a single line of text of an article on mobile? Me neither.
Time to use Firefox mobile with ublock origin
Only on Android tho, iPhone users can’t use Firefox extensions, for iOS, I recommend the Vivaldi browser, it has a built in ad blocker with the ability to add custom block lists
Yeah, just a second ago. Probably, something to do with Firefox. Anyway, articles these days are becoming superficial. What could be said in a few words takes an entire paragraph for some reason. Writer’s skills are on a downward trend recently. Not liking it
We’ll* have ‘AI’ summarising shitty long articles written by the same AI. The future is bright
Yeah you have to make it longer…can’t place 15 ads on a text with one paragraph
I especially love the cases where I want to check if and when series xy continues “get the Release Date of Series XY season 5” And then there is a wall of text that summarizes season 1-4 and how everybody is waiting for season 5 to then say that the date is not out yet…
Hey motherfucker, did you know you can go AD FREE with YouTube™ premium? Look, it’s P R E M I U M. and it will only cost you $9.99 a month (plus any data we choose to siphon from you, aaaaaaand you have to be subjected to our shit-ass suggestions that you will almost certainly not be interested in, because fuck you in your stupid content sucking mouth)
YouTube’s recommendations are actually pretty spot on, I’ve found.
Yeah honestly not sure why so many people have been complaining about them. They’re pretty much always relevant to the content that I like watching.
Mine are totally fucked, but it is because I let my kid use my account sometimes and now YouTube just doesn’t understand me as a person. It suggests stuff that neither of us want. But when I clear history and it just uses my subscriptions it is better.
Get your kid their own account.
He has one, but it is a child account which a couple of the people he watches aren’t available. They are just game streamers and don’t say or do anything I take issue with. So he often ends up on mine. I don’t have another family spot to make another account for him and I have YouTube premium. So it is what it is. Means I don’t end up wasting hours watching videos on YouTube because of a rabbit hole so there is that silver lining I suppose.
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If you have Nazi content recommended on youtube then I’ve got some very bad news for you.
Yep. If you’re getting recommended nazi stuff, you’ve been watching nazi stuff.
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and it will only cost you $9.99 a month
For now.
And Gas was $.74/Gallon when I started driving.
It’s 16 euros here…
I’ll be that guy and say this isn’t crappy design and shouldn’t be in this community. We’ve already got posts filling top of all we don’t need more where they don’t belong.
yeah, this is a policy OP doesn’t like, not bad design
Ads are crappy by design. I think the spirit of the community is upheld with this post.
Well yes, nobody likes ads. But think of it this way - ads are “democratic” in a way, because it means everybody can “afford” or access that which is financed by the ads. Most websites are expensive to run and have to make money somehow to pay for itself - as much as I dislike ads, I’m not sure what the alternative would be? Should we have to pay to access each and every website? I don’t know what the best solution would be, to be hones.
Ads have nothing to do with democracy; they are forced upon us and serve no other purpose than to manipulate you into buying a product. That’s text-book capitalism for you.
Personally, as an open-source developer, I use crowd-funding to cover the expenses for the websites and software I provide. You will find no ads or tracking on my pages, and the same can be said for the majority of open-source projects.
The problem is rarely tied to cost; usually, it’s about greed and the never-ending chase for higher profit margins.
Mind you, I’m just a single individual with a single experience, but if I can find a way to get paid for my work without forcing people to watch the visual diarrhea, so can the giants like Google.
YouTube only barely breaks even as it is. What profit margins are you talking about?
In Q3 of 2022 alone, Alphabet, the parent company of Google, recorded a profit (not revenue!) of 13.9 billion USD. Their financial position is more than secure.
https://abc.xyz/assets/investor/static/pdf/2022Q3_alphabet_earnings_release.pdf?cache=4156e7f
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Even excusing the policy, the design is actually pretty shit though. We’re all just used to it so it feels default and normal.
That’s fair. I agree, it’s mediocre at best.
While this is a policy I don’t like, it’s also something that is purposely destroying the usability of the Internet. Which I think constitutes a bad design.
I would argue that pop-ups like this are an intentionally crappy design meant to be frustrating and get in the way. But, I understand what your saying, this is perhaps not the best suited community for this post.
How dare you inconvinience me for using your stuff for free r/choosingbeggars
How many times are you gonna lick a major corporations boot for no benefit in this single thread? Cause this is already the third time and it already made me want to barf the first time.
Barfing for getting reminded stuff cost money LMFAOOOO
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King’s behaviour is typical of the lefty democrat who never had a job in his life. So eager to betray America to the democrats technocrat overlords. Disgusting.
Yeah the guy reminding you stuff costs money is the jobless one, stop projecting in my inbox bro, cringe. google bad videos free.
Note how the lefty is incapable of constructive dialogue.
You mean the guy who’s trying to watch videos for free and finger points his political beliefs if you disagree with him instead of replying with arguments? I agree with you.
Did you get your mother to write that for you?
I think the difference here is I view “crappy design” as something badly made or poorly executed. What you describe I would consider to be “asshole design”: perfectly well-made, but with bad intentions. I can see why you would have the different definition though, and considering the Reddit subs had a lot of these same definition issues it’s not surprising they continue here.
Unsolicited ads are implicitly anti-user, especially when they impede or interrupt access to content.
So you buy youtube premium instead? Or are you an entitled freeloading POS who shamelessly asks for uninterrupted free content? 😂
The internet used to be free before corporations got here.
There used to be a free youtube before google? Someone has to volunteer to pay for the site servers unless you pay them my ignorant bro. Youre always free to stop using the evil corporation sites but you want their stuff for free instead and complain about it. Get a grip
imagine licking the corporate boot this hard
Youre the one begging them for free content here, stuff costs money get a job bum
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
yeah sure let me just go to the job factory and pick one of the many jobs they have available…
It’s nearly impossible to find a job when you’ve got a disability.
How are they supposed to pay for the infrastructure that you’re using to watch it. Do you even have a clue what it costs to run YouTube for a month? The ads keep the servers up. BTW it’s in the tens of millions a month if not more to run YouTube.
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
Do you know the enormous amount of data it takes to stream video? And how much infrastructure to have such seamless loading as youtube does, caching copies of popular videos all across the world?
Requests cost nothing, data storage and bandwidth usage do.
People upload over 500 hours of videos every minute, that’s 256.320.000hours each year. Let’s say that most of it is lower quality instead of 4K, so each hour takes 0.5GB of storage. That’s 128PB every year. Youtube overall size probably reached Exabytes in the last few years.
Their daily bandwidth usage probably ranges way into Petabytes too, something you were orders of magnitude away over the whole life cycle of your site.
Literally everyone is not listening to what I’m saying so I’ll just say it here again as clear as I can:
YouTube costs money because infrastructure costs are exponential. It doesn’t have to be that way. Host your own shit, it’s so unbelievably cheap.
I have my own live-streaming infrastructure. I have my own music streaming infrastructure. I have my own video sync infrastructure that so far has not even stuttered for people on the other side of the globe even with 30+ people watching at once. This costs jack shit to do. Spread it out. Host your own.
This is of course ignoring that corporate executive pay is insane and you could definitely cut that in half, but we don’t. We pass the costs of the fifth execute yacht to the consumers, and here we have like 5 people defending that structure as if it just has to be that way. It doesn’t. It wasn’t like that before Google started owning everything.
And yes, for the record, I am not using YouTube. YouTube currently barely works on my browser so I just don’t use it.
No one has a clue what it ‘costs’ because YT isn’t honest about revenue, and being a subsidiary its P&L statements can be adjusted to spread any narrative around profitability it considers useful. In the context of Alphabet its operating cost is probably negligible.
You’re already paying them data tribute through daily interaction with much of the corporate web.
It was never free. It was paid for and used by universities and research institutions. There was no world wide web, just gopher, ftp, usenet, chat, telnet. Any kind of advertising was really frowned upon, it was basically treated like a library. But, there wasn’t a lot to do there.
Where was this attitude when Netflix announced account sharing crackdowns? I buy premium to support the people I watch but still, what a wild comment.
What does netflix not want acc sharing have to do with youtube needing money to host their content and pay their creators? Dont like their new policy dont buy it are u looking for something to be mad about? Tf
Because they’re both doing it for the exact same reason. Netflix doesn’t want people using their service for free and neither does Youtube. Netflix didn’t have ads so they cracked down on accounts. Youtube does, so they’re cracking down on adblockers.
I was fine with Youtube locking their 4k+ resolutions behind premium but they’re slowly tightening their hand more and more to make it ‘profitable’. Hell, the queue feature is premium now. Using the app on your phone while it’s ‘locked’ is a premium feature. Things that should be free are being stuffed into the ‘premium’ package but because that wasn’t enough, they’re trying to block adblockers. Making people pay for what they were getting for free, while it makes sense from a business perspective, never goes over well. Premium is really only worth it if you want the people you watch it get paid more, everything else can be done by third party players.
Although like Reddit, they might kill those off next.
“Should be free” ? You think only 4k videos cost them money? Bandwidth and storage for lower res is free? How naive jesus
Lol yes because people are already developing third party apps with those same features for free, ya duncecap.
Also if Youtube made their site “pay to access” we’d watch it die within the month.
What kind of moron watches ads willingly? That’s some dumb shit right there I tell you what.
I’d say it’s an ok design to enforce a crappy business model
Thankfully it isn’t hard to remove with ublock origin. Just enter Element picker mode and select the pop up to remove it. Then do the same for the greyed out background & it’ll work normally.
Yeah, I got no issue with removing it, but it’s still agrivating to see even once.
When I tried this the damn ad blocker message thing is unable to be closed and blacks out the whole video instead of being a pop-up. The only way to play is to disable ghostery and ublock. I’m super pissed.
I haven’t used Ghostery in ages as I had heard it was funded by ad agencies to harvest data.
But are you using Ublock Origin? They have instructions on how to fix this. Someone posted this in the Technology community I think?
Basically, update it. You might need to lose Ghostery, but load up Ublock Matrix if you want more script control. Not sure what that’ll do with YouBoob as I’ve not tried yet.
Also, there is yt-dlp. You can just download your videos. No ads from yt.
Edit: Here is the post
Cliqz International GmbH, a privacy focused company whose software has been merged into both Brave and Firefox with Ghostery and Ghostery Dawn being their only live products.
Ghostery was owned by Evidon, Inc., an enterprise marketing analytics and compliance company. Not an ad agency.
Ghostery has been open source it’s entire history and never sold you data. Unlike Steam.
Don’t worry. Soon they will cover this loophole as well.
You’re right. They will. But then unlock origin will find a way around those.
Adblockers will win at the end of the day because I control what’s on my machine.
How to remove the background? It seems to remove the whole page for me.
The element is called #opened (you’ll see it pop up in the text box when you select the right one). The only downside I’ve seen so far is that you can scroll down to the comments while you have a video open in full screen. Although I guess that’s kinda cool
can scroll down to the comments while you have a video open in full screen
That was allready a thing for years now. I thought it was a feather they implemented.
Correct yeah that’s normal YouTube behavior, nothing to do with ublock or any other Adblock plug-in
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It still does if you hover over it iirc
I’ve paid for YouTube premium pretty much since it started being a thing and had to drop it recently for financial reasons. Simply existing these days feels like I’m drowning. The bombardment of ads and frequent notifications to come back are making me want to ditch YouTube entirely. I’ve been using YouTube in Firefox with desktop site requested to play my videos in the background and I try to use odysee as much as possible now. Their price hikes along with no recognition of how long I’ve been a paying member has really gotten to me.
ReVanced?
Pretty much this, or newpipe.
I use it but we all would praize to have a NewPipe for desktop.
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You see, if you are unable to cough up the money for one reason or another, you are not important to them anymore. It’s better for YouTube if you don’t watch than if you watch without premium, so they bully you until you leave. There is no “grace period” just because you supported them for years. Corporations are not your friends and the only thing that matters to them is infinite growth.
Best thing to do is find a few friends to split it with. The family plan gives you 6 accounts I think.
I disagree.
Once upon a time, streaming services were free, or gave you a generous amount of content for a small price.
Now, not only does everybody and their mom want to make you subscribe to something, they’re also constantly and unapologetically raising prices whilst removing features or extracting useful/necessary features and placing them in new, expensive premium tiers.
Sure, get a family plan and split, and watch them slowly raise prices to “match inflation” or some other bs excuse!
There are definitely solutions out there, and I’m sure someone will come up with a way to spoof YouTube premium or something and the war will continue.
I won’t say ‘pirate everything’, because you shouldn’t; there are definitely services out there that are worth your money. But if they’re going to play using scummy tactics then I don’t see why we can’t as well!
The amount of bootlicking YouTube premium users in these threads astonish me. Wonder how they’d feel when it’s $150+ per year and the value proposition completely ceases to exist.
Already there: it’s 11.99€/mo. in Germany. Per year, that’s 143.88€ and converted to USD that would be $151.63/year.
If you are an Apple fanboy, YT charges the Apple Store fee on-top and your YouTube Premium will cost 15.99€/mo. or, converted, $202.25/year. But no sympathy for Apple fanboys, so I couldn’t care less about that.
Subscription services are so scummy that I wonder why they are even allowed. They removed YT Premium Lite and now FORCE you to also subscribe to YT Music even if you don’t want or need it. That’s predatory and exploitative and the only reason for not giving customers the option to just pay for ad-free videos is greed. In reality it went like this: they set up an infrastructure for a music streaming service and invested money to do so. People are not interested at all in their music streaming service, so they are not recouping the cost. Easy corporate solution is to bundle the shit nobody wants with the shit everybody needs to justify an insane price hike. Ta-da!
You know that it’s totally okay for people to decide what they think is worth $150 of their own money, right?
You don’t want to use it, don’t. Or steal it if you’re cool with that. Otherwise STFU
Same sort of logic for why people cross picket lines. Sure everyone is entitled to do what they want, but it hurts the rest of us.
This is a long time coming. Who in their right mind thought that a service that allows pretty much anyone to upload gigabytes of videos would be free forever. I get that people don’t like ads, but the amount of outrage is overkill.
Don’t care, there are billions of hours lifetime saved by adblocking.
Nobody needs to defend this tech conglomerates, let them figure it out.
What if the solution they come to is shutting the whole thing down? Isn’t a degraded add riddled experience better than nothing?
Do you people really think that YouTube can pay five-year-old “influencers” millions of dollars a year because YouTube is losing money?
What if the solution they come to is shutting the whole thing down?
Good fucking riddance.
Good fucking riddance
So then don’t use it if you want it gone?
They should close their doors to anyone they don’t want to have on their site, so other companies get a chance to compete. Why would we stop using it, i’m literally fine with ad-free Youtube, you’re the one having a problem with it.
They should close their doors to anyone they don’t want to have on their site
That’s exactly what they’re doing with the ad block check.
you’re the one having a problem with it.
You don’t know what I do or do not have a problem with.
Yes, maybe they got too big and are destined to fail at that point. They essentially have a monopoly in that space.
It’s less about not liking ads and more that the ads are plagued with scams, spam and whatever else.
Don’t we think that they should be held accountable for the type of ads they run on there? Crypto scams, get rich quick, and mlms to name a few.
The same goes for the MSN homepage it’s fucking ridiculous.
Also, if they want to serve me ads, then stop selling my data too. If I sign up for premium they’ll still sell your data anyway.
I am not really in a place where I would want to defend billion dollar companies.
What’s do you think selling the data is for? It’s largely to better target ads. It makes sense to complain that premium sells your data, but that they sell your data and show you ads is pretty much the point of selling your data.
I believe I said if I paid for premium they would still be selling my data. Premium doesn’t come with ads ergo they don’t need to personalise ads they’re not going to serve me.
Edit: I just reread my OC and concede I worded it poorly.
The discussions I’m seeing are not about the contents of the ads but simply because they can’t bypass them anymore.
You say as you reply to a comment explicitly discussing the content of the ads.
So you raise an argument, I respond by telling you it’s not the main argument I’m seeing itt, and your response is to point back at your singular comment?
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you 100%, but most people here are just mad they can’t get YT for free as easily anymore.
I can only speak for myself, but it’s less about the monetizing and more about the how.
The ads are intrusive and highly disrespectful of our time. Not to mention the bullcrap they’re allowed to advertise that would get videos demonetized. And the risk of malware from the ads.
I can understand things like premium. Heck if they wanted to lock HD behind premium I could understand. It costs a lot of money to run that crap so getting money for that service does make sense.
But by solving that with intrusive, annoying, possibly dangerous ads? I will block the ads. Find a better way because that ain’t it. I will sooner leave YouTube for other video sites satisfying my interests that are currently being advertised by creators on YouTube itself, than accept the crappy ads.
Google, apparently, when they bought YouTube. “let’s host terabytes of data and stream it to users for nothing” and then do just that for over a decade before they realized “oh shit, that costs money I guess??”
Google fucked themselves. But it’s not like they can’t foot the bill either, based on their net profits. The fact that they are now telling people that the service they’ve used for nearly 20 years doesn’t want to be free anymore is a valid reason for outrage.
It’s like your partner of 20 years deciding that sex is now a per-month expense, when it wasn’t up to that point. A bit “you fuckin wot m8” moment.
The entitlement…
The reason is that now even the poorest can make videos in 4K@60fps, and with the tendency to upload every moment of one’s life not even Google can afford to give free terabytes to everyone.
Then… don’t allow high resolution uploads?
I use Firefox and have uBlock Origin installed. I block ALL cookies from YouTube and Google and other Google sites. I am not signed into any Google properties and I have not seen an ad for over 10+years. I never use an app or mobile and use only a desktop on Linux.
Google will not win over products like uBlock Origin because, it’s NOT an ad blocker, it’s an element blocker. It allows the user to remove annoyances, and that sometimes includes ads.
The only way Google will get to force ads on people is if they REQUIRE you to sign in to it’s services and force cookies on you. It will have to be a walled garden. Meta, Xitter, bluesky, reddit, will all eventually go to the walled garden because they are greedy. Users will leave and the Fediverse will grow.
People are fed up with ads and all the “improvements” that sites like YouTube make. Ambient mode, auto play, end cards, notations, all unnecessary. And we block it with element blockers.I don’t think the Fediverse can really provide an alternative to YouTube. The infrastructure required for the amount of data constantly being served and processed is prohibitly expensive.
Are you saying that it costs a lot of money to setup a video streaming service that stores terrabytes of data? From what I hear that should all just be free!
If only we had to pay for the service, the service was good and we had our privacy. We pay to pad googles shitty anti consumer, anti free internet pockets, so they can make the service worse and they data mine everything.
Terabytes? Youtube should be in the Exabytes by now.
Bluesky is slowly gaining more users after multiple Xitter announcements. Xitter is going to be Netflix of social media.
Maybe not today, and never at the scale that YouTube is right now (that’s not a bad thing), but never say never.
5 years ago no one saw a psychopath buying and actively destroying Xitter.
Technology changes quickly. It won’t be long until 10TB HDDs are standard fare, 8G is everywhere, electric cars are 40% of the market etc.
Anything is a possibility and humans get smarter and more innovative. I know this because humans can carry a small computer in their pockets.All it takes is 1 developer to add video support to lemmy, and make videos defederalized, then we could have different videos in different communities, we could have video-only communities, and those would be youtube-like.
I don’t think code is the main problem here, it is the money to invest in the server space and bandwidth for it.
And that is all neglecting the platform effect. People are on YouTube because the stuff they want to watch is there and the stuff is there because there is an audience. Because there is audience, people are willing to dump their marketing budget there. Because there is a revenue split of these marketing budgets, people are there publishing stuff. And so on and so on.
You can have the greatest platform from a technical point of view. If nobody is publishing good stuff, nobody will care.
Not to forget the moderation problem. You would effectively need to verify each video for bad stuff, copyright infringement, or risk getting sued for noncompliance.
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That’s where you’re wrong. Firefox market share is dropping month on month for the last decade with no sign of turning around. Blink is forcing Manifestv3 soon which doesn’t support many features uBlock Origin needs to work effectively. Sure, other Chromium forks claim they’ll continue to support v2, but we’ll see if that lasts after Google removes the code and they have to actually maintain Blink for the first time ever. None of the forks (except maybe Edge) have the engineering staff to keep up with rebasing against Blink.
That just sounds exhausting, to be honest.
It reads like copypasta to me lol
Do you leave the house? Or just take your desktop with you?
I don’t need to watch videos when I’m not home. And I prefer a real screen.
I was thinking more about the fact you’ve not seen an advert for 10 years.
They’re on every site these days not just videos. Perhaps you just meant video ads.
I use Firefox & uBlock Origin, it stops ads everywhere. I won’t use a computer that does not have that installed. I see no ad on any site of any kind.
It’s really not difficult at all to avoid almost every single ad, just use ublock origin in your browser (use firefox on android to be able to use ublock origin on mobile), and use newpipe on your phone for watching youtube videos.
I do use ublock on my pc but still see some ads.
On my phone in iOS but I use NextDNS which gets rid of a lot of ads. So much so that if I search for X and you get the shopping results I have to turn off NextDNS to be able to follow that link.
But I still see ads.
ADs might become forced onto everyone with this:
Reads like https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
This is less “crappy design” and more “asshole design”
What’s the reason why you think this is an asshole design? I can think of two:
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Advertisements in of itself is a blight on humanity
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They have a dominant market position and it’s almost impossible to compete.
But, these two things aside?
I’m not the one you responded to, but I’ll say why I think it’s an asshole design:
- They have a dominant market position
- They have encouraged people to not just put fun videos on the platform, but to put critical life-saving videos there.
- Like videos on how to perform CPR
- Or videos on how to save someone who’s choking
- At first, they had few ads, or ads that were always skippable
- Now that they have a near monopoly, they’re adding more ads, and making more of them unskippable.
- To watch a lifesaving video, that was posted at a time when there were no real ads or all ads were skippable, you may have to watch a series of 30 second ads.
Then there’s the fact that virtually every video requires ads before you view it, when you might only need to see 10s of the video to know that it’s not relevant. Putting multiple ads before you’re allowed to see those 10 seconds is an asshole move. Then there’s the sheer quantity of ads. The last time I tried to watch a few music videos without an ad blocker I think it was at least 25% ad time.
Removing the ability to skip is also a major asshole move. The whole justification for skippable ads was that consumers wouldn’t skip ads that were good and relevant. If the advertiser was doing their job and making good ads, and YouTube was doing a good job and finding the right audience for those ads, then in theory the ads wouldn’t be skipped. If an advertiser was upset that users were skipping ads, YouTube could push back and say that either their ad sucked, or that they had mistargeted the ad. Now they seem to be admitting that their ad targeting is bullshit, or that they don’t care if the ad isn’t relevant to the user, the user has to watch it regardless.
But, most of this hinges on the enshittification happening once the platform has become a monopoly. If YouTube only had a 20% market share, asshole moves would push people to competitors. But, the key thing is that they lost money or barely broke even until all their competitors had folded, and then they started making things worse.
/r/assholedesign refers to user hostile design. Ads are generally unwanted and def unwanted if the person has an ad blocker. Putting a nag pop up is inherently user hostile.
But, these two things aside?
There’s definitely more but why are you implying these two things aren’t enough?
Nope. Straight up just wondering if there was more to it that I wasn’t catching.
Ads on YouTube–like everywhere else on the web–became so obtrusive that it’s nearly impossible to view anything while still having all those ads. They’re making their content unwatchable for anyone who can’t pony up for a subscription.
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I have yet to get this. Everybody’s talking about it.
Am I the chosen one?
They’re slowly rolling it out to all users. It’s not yet a full deployment.
oh god i shouldn’t have said anything they saw me. I just got it.
they know
My friends mentioned getting it like 4-5hrs ago, while I was on YouTube myself. It wasn’t appearing for me.
Then a couple hours ago, it finally popped-up for me. Right now, you can click through it or just reload the page and it goes away.
I think all of us are using uBlock Origin. And we’re using various browsers.
Purge cache and update filters. I trust the sacred process. I’m sure if it isn’t already filtered out, it will be by morning.
Also, if you use a YT enhancing plugin that offers blocking ads, like Enhancer, disable the ad block from the plugin.
You probably keep your adblocker up to date automatically like I do.
No, you are unlike the rest of us who only update as soon as we see an ad. Okay, maybe it’s just me. Anyway, he finally got hit too.
Your time may yet come.
Narrator: And it did.
I’m somewhat surprised it took so long after they took over YouTube.
Might cause some surprising competition hopefully
Who is going to be competing for the eyeballs of people who militantly refuse to watch ads? I’d love to see YouTube have competition, but I don’t think the demographic here is particularly valuable to anyone.
Same with lemmy. Who cares about us? Seems to be working somewhat tho.
Issue with videohosting is filesizes, bandwiths, and the gigantic archive.
That’s why I said surprising competition: no, it wouldn’t be from a big typical tech company.
I think you’re wrong on the value of the demographic: there are definitely ways, sectors etc where a small group of relatively tech savvy, ad-hating, very critical, neckbearded, moob carrying people is more valuable than a large mob of typical yay-saying consumers. I’ld even say it’s the kind of niche demographic that made reddit big in the first place.
Yeah, I feel like this is all very cyclical.
The status quo is acceptable so people use it. It works well enough and it’s practical enough that the majority of the user base sticks with a given standard, which creates momentum/inertia: the more accepted a given platform becomes the more content creators cater to it, which in turn draws and keeps more traffic.
Owners of the platform see this and monetize. It’s not bad at first but eventually greed gets the better of everyone, and they keep pushing and squeezing, usually both the base and the creators, for the privilege of playing in their playground, the defacto “place to be”… without consideration of the fact that their playground only holds that status because of the very people they’re squeezing.
Eventually they push it too far, and people start to jump ship as the enshittification finally tips their scales away from the status quo and makes finding an alternative the more attractive choice, even if it means giving up the positive aspects of the established platform.
Sometimes it can take a while but eventually one or more new platforms emerge as the new “place to be” and the cycle begins again.
Unfortunately, rather than learning from past mistakes and simply being less greedy and understanding that they need to find ways of generating profit that doesn’t alienate their creators and viewers, instead the lesson learned seems to be ‘try to find ways to trap users in your system so they can’t leave’…which never is going to work.
The ol Trust Thermocline.
That’s a great read. Thanks for sharing.
Really wonder what game company he was consulting. My bet is on Pissazrd or EA
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/6089078
They explain how to make it work again with uBlock Origin
Everyone needs to sign out on desktop if you’re using Ublock origin bypass. This whole TOS thing could be grounds to start going after your account they don’t achieve the outcome they’re looking for
Then I’ll just make another account . . . with blackjack and hookers.
All very well unless your account is also your mail email. I’m not draft enough for that to be the case, but many are.
If they manage to kill ReVanced I’m done with YouTube. I’ll subscribe to Nebula or something.
Use Invidious! No ads, no username required, no reporting to YouTube, Sponsorblock can be used, and you still get unlimited access to YouTube’s content. There are dozens of instances, but inv.tux pizza usually works for me.
I know that Nebula has exclusive infotainment, but sometimes I just want to watch people be bad at video games.
I feel like this might be blasphemous around here, but I actually like being logged in and getting tailored algorithmic suggestions on YouTube. Unlike most people it seems to know my interests pretty well.
I’m with you on this one. Although it seems like a slippery slope, I’d like to see some of the alternatives give you the same sort of algorithm (on an opt-in basis of course)
Same. I really like my newpipe, but the sheer amount of unfiltered fuckface influencer bullshit videos ‘currently trending’ on it’s frontpage is more disgusting than any algorithmic youtube bubble will ever be.
These frontends need to introduce a preferred-startpage feature that enables setting Subscriptions as the default. I’d be interested to know from others if there’s any technical hurdle, because I’m surprised it’s not already available.
I’d dig a integration of youtube subscription manager.
I had one warhammer video autoplay and now all of my recomendations and autoplayed videos are warhammer videos. I have no interest in warhammer.
you can go onto your youtube history, search for that video and remove it from your history, and it will stop influencing your recommendations.
every now and then i watch a video about a topic i’m not really interested in except for that one video, and then had to remove it from history.
It doesn’t do that for me, it’ll sprinkle related videos in my suggestions but overwhelmingly my suggestions stay similar to what I had before and I just scroll past the videos I am not interested in much and marking uninterested on anything which I’ll never watch
I have autopay disabled which probably helps. I also use YouTube too much so it quickly picks up when I never tap a video of a certain topic.
Most Invidious instances allow you to sign up for an account on the instance to subscribe to people and track your history. Alternatively, I use the FreeTube app on computers I control for “watching TV”. It can track and transfer your subscriptions and history locally if you choose to use those features.
I still get recommended videos next to watched ones from both services. For those who see that as a negative, I think FreeTube allows you to hide any YouTube elements you don’t want to see.
Oh? Maybe I’ll look into it then. I’ve found some of my favourite channels from suggestion in my feed.
Checking this out based on your recommendation and I already like it. Simple, no bullshit, and is similar to use to something like NewPipe but for desktops.
yeah i found it this morning entirely because of the ad block thing (i actually don’t ad block YT because i want to support creators, but i hate that now that’s not a choice, so i’m making the last remaining choice available)
I would love to support the creators I watch through youtube but they all get demonitized for bs reasons. That’s the only reason I don’t actually buy premium. It’s not the cost, it’s just that none of the money would actually make it to the people I watch.
There’s other alternatives to vanced as well. Not at many bells and whistles, but still better than Google.
NewPipe? I’m glad it exists but it’s not really comparable to the experience I want. Great for downloading though.
newpipe ftw
Me personally, I didn’t mind ads back in the day when they weren’t so annoying. But somehow YouTube + content creators made ads so annoying at some point that I started to use ad blocker and sponsor skipper.
My theory is that by becoming so aggressive with ads , YouTube income / video actuallly decreased due to people getting fed up with ads and getting ad blockers. Now they go even more aggressive so people will start to look for alternatives.
It’ll be interesting to see following development.
That’s when my family asked me to set up adblockers.
It used to be a single 30 second ad but skippable.
It’s now 2 ads skippable, then ads randomly injected into a video. A ten min video can have twelve ads. Defenders say “Oh the content maker sets those features.”
Of which I say, “Bet. Gonna block them, find a new revenue stream because the next stage is pirating your shit.”
Also i love how people act as if Ads aren’t brainwashing bullshit lies. Marketing only exists to make you click buy, they don’t care about any other effect. Misinformation? Who cares, unhealthy habits? All good. Oh my goodness your blocking lies? Sooo unethical
Exactly this. They made their bed, they can lay in it
This is when you’re supposed to use the FOSS alternatives
Me personally because I don’t have a Google account nor saw a real gain in getting one (for what I do in my day to day), I just switched to these for subscriptions.
arent thpse just frontends?
Yep, without the need of a Google acc. No shitty ads, more functionality, and they’re typically more customizable :p
+to that. However I haven’t found proper alternative yet.
- I got so used that dump algorithm that at least 40% of times recommends what I’m actually interested at, that it feels so hard to go back to watch unordered vids
- Newer content is still lacking on alternatives. Like coding tutorials or documentaries etc.
- On the other hand I found many old forgotten internet classics on these alternative sites like old ads and funny clips that we used to watch at 240p back in the day.
Point one hits home. It’s nice that I can look through my feed but I also want to find new stuff and piped is not giving me that. I still use it in case my yt account gets banned lol
You should also start looking into libredirect, an extension to route your youtube traffic to invidious instances
I’ll look into that ^^ thanks friendo
They really think this will work, don’t they?
If you’re using an ad blocker, they don’t want your business anyway.
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I’ve had this thought before too. Like, someone somewhere must be clicking on these ads but I’ve never met them. The closest I’ve found is my dad who clicks on the google search ads (before I blocked them for him) but he isn’t exactly an active internet user. He might open youtube once a month for one video when hes trying to fix something. Noone is making much ad revenue off of him.
They get money just for showing ads.
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You’re welcome. I wanted to contribute with the common sense that Google still earn money from ads even if people don’t click on them.
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No. They get money for clicks.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/intl/en_us/howyoutubeworks/product-features/monetization
Advertising revenue is generated when people watch ads that are running on videos. This revenue from ads is shared between YouTube and the Creator - thus empowering Creators to directly profit from their work.
Companies pay money to Google for showing ads to you.
A large chunk of advertising isn’t to get you to buy their products right that second. The goal is brand recognition so when you are ready to buy the products, you think of them first.
Like, why does Coke still need to advertise? Literally everyone knows what they sell.
Do you click tv ads? So maybe clicking isnt necessary to make ad money, genius
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I was simply explaining the concept of ads to you, good job looking stupid
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tfw gramps has a better grasp of technology than u
It sadly probably will. At least for the majority of users that either don’t know or can’t be bothered to circumvent it.
