That’s an idiot argument. Wtf does “put down the fork” even mean? Wielding a fork has hardly ever been of significance in a person’s actions.
You can’t compare just anything.
The day forks are used to pick locks and mug folks, sure… I’ll blame the cutlery industry.
You realize knives fall under cutlery, right?
Additionally people get mugged with the threat of a hammer to the head, so we banning hammers next too?
Also, criminals breathe oxygen, so you want everyone to stop breathing oxygen cause the criminals breathe oxygen too?
Right, but even if we banned hammers and guns, people would still 3d print them or buy them on the black market.
The VAST majority of gun violence is conducted by people who ALREADY should not own weapons according to the laws on the books and bought them from a gun show/black market unregistered.
This is a clear problem of enforcement, not legislation.
The latest mass shooting was conducted by a man who LITERALLY stated weeks prior that he heard voices in his head.
Weeks. This is reminiscent of more than 95% of other mass shooters.
Card — who, according to his relatives, had been drinking heavily in the lead-up to last week’s mass shooting in Lewiston — had become so paranoid that people were calling him a pedophile that he’d talked about wanting to hire a lawyer.
The Maine National Guard, too, had become so concerned about the US Army reservist that it had urged local authorities to carry out a welfare check because fellow soldiers feared Card would “snap and commit a mass shooting.”
Card’s son and his ex-wife had also flagged their concerns about his deteriorating mental health to the local sheriff’s office back in May, an initial incident report shows.
The military and the civilian oversight failed to get this man mental help or restrict his access to firearms while he was lamenting the need to kill people because of the voices in his head and we have the audacity to stand here and blame legal gun owners, the majority of which do in fact follow standard gun safety and etiquette, for crimes committed by people who shouldn’t have access to weapons in the first place.
We pay an exorbitant amount in taxes every single day to have these services and personnel do their fucking jobs and all this ‘blame the gun manufacturers’ is pushed by police unions in order to prevent people from properly pointing out the absolute FAILURES of these departments and officers to actually follow up on tips and issues in the community.
Big irony that these criminals can access weapons from the legal market by gun shops and shows that don’t follow the laws as they stand or directly off a black market arms dealer, maybe two points of contact off from the original manufacturers.
So, if these individuals who shouldn’t have guns can have guns as the laws stand now, what difference is a whole-sale ban going to make?
This is a clear enforcement failure across the entire united states and adding more laws on people who already follow them just incites them against the issue instead of having everyone focus on the crux of the problem which is cost of living, access to healthcare and failure of regulatory oversight on a vast majority of official systems, from policing the streets from violent crimes to regulatory frameworks around the financial services sector, all of the enforcement bodies are understaffed, underpaid, overworked, and abused with intent to push them from the job and rotate personnel to younger/less experienced personnel to allow further lowering of pay and increase of workload which allows larger companies and firms to skirt the rules for fines because these regulatory bodies don’t have the personnel to complete serious investigations of the largest players, so the largest players just get fined for their behaviour and continue to abuse the loopholes and system. Specifically in this case, because of a lack of oversight from the FTC, several companies supply the black market with weapons through merchants of death
We wanna see this industry change? We need to annul police unions and force a national training standard. Every cop goes to the same training facility and learns to be a professional cop, no exceptions, and is then sent back to their local community to work with them. If they do not live in the community, they do not police the community.
Additionally, every individual should be able to access healthcare. We pay way too much in taxes to not have every man, woman and child covered by FULL RANGE medical care. There is no reason in which universal health care should not exist in the USA (aside from the ridiculous number of people who could collapse the system under their obesity, the public would need to begin to care for themselves more so they don’t overburden the systems unnecessarily).
The cost of living situation would change overnight if corporations and investors were barred from owning more than 5 residential properties.
That means blaming the cutlery problem for obesity, or blaming the food industry for making garbage food, rather than addressing why people are opting for fast food more than good food, dealing with food deserts, and so on. It blaming the tool for the result.
That’s an idiot argument. Wtf does “put down the fork” even mean? Wielding a fork has hardly ever been of significance in a person’s actions. You can’t compare just anything.
The day forks are used to pick locks and mug folks, sure… I’ll blame the cutlery industry.
You realize knives fall under cutlery, right? Additionally people get mugged with the threat of a hammer to the head, so we banning hammers next too? Also, criminals breathe oxygen, so you want everyone to stop breathing oxygen cause the criminals breathe oxygen too?
It’s really hard for an unstable person to go on a mass hammering.
Right, but even if we banned hammers and guns, people would still 3d print them or buy them on the black market. The VAST majority of gun violence is conducted by people who ALREADY should not own weapons according to the laws on the books and bought them from a gun show/black market unregistered.
This is a clear problem of enforcement, not legislation.
The latest mass shooting was conducted by a man who LITERALLY stated weeks prior that he heard voices in his head. Weeks. This is reminiscent of more than 95% of other mass shooters.
From NYP: https://nypost.com/2023/10/31/news/maine-mass-shooter-robert-card-claimed-voices-in-his-head-were-calling-him-a-pedophile/
The military and the civilian oversight failed to get this man mental help or restrict his access to firearms while he was lamenting the need to kill people because of the voices in his head and we have the audacity to stand here and blame legal gun owners, the majority of which do in fact follow standard gun safety and etiquette, for crimes committed by people who shouldn’t have access to weapons in the first place.
We pay an exorbitant amount in taxes every single day to have these services and personnel do their fucking jobs and all this ‘blame the gun manufacturers’ is pushed by police unions in order to prevent people from properly pointing out the absolute FAILURES of these departments and officers to actually follow up on tips and issues in the community.
Big irony that these criminals can access weapons from the legal market by gun shops and shows that don’t follow the laws as they stand or directly off a black market arms dealer, maybe two points of contact off from the original manufacturers.
So, if these individuals who shouldn’t have guns can have guns as the laws stand now, what difference is a whole-sale ban going to make?
This is a clear enforcement failure across the entire united states and adding more laws on people who already follow them just incites them against the issue instead of having everyone focus on the crux of the problem which is cost of living, access to healthcare and failure of regulatory oversight on a vast majority of official systems, from policing the streets from violent crimes to regulatory frameworks around the financial services sector, all of the enforcement bodies are understaffed, underpaid, overworked, and abused with intent to push them from the job and rotate personnel to younger/less experienced personnel to allow further lowering of pay and increase of workload which allows larger companies and firms to skirt the rules for fines because these regulatory bodies don’t have the personnel to complete serious investigations of the largest players, so the largest players just get fined for their behaviour and continue to abuse the loopholes and system. Specifically in this case, because of a lack of oversight from the FTC, several companies supply the black market with weapons through merchants of death
We wanna see this industry change? We need to annul police unions and force a national training standard. Every cop goes to the same training facility and learns to be a professional cop, no exceptions, and is then sent back to their local community to work with them. If they do not live in the community, they do not police the community.
Additionally, every individual should be able to access healthcare. We pay way too much in taxes to not have every man, woman and child covered by FULL RANGE medical care. There is no reason in which universal health care should not exist in the USA (aside from the ridiculous number of people who could collapse the system under their obesity, the public would need to begin to care for themselves more so they don’t overburden the systems unnecessarily).
The cost of living situation would change overnight if corporations and investors were barred from owning more than 5 residential properties.
The example used in your first comment was “fork”. “Put down the fork”. – @trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com.
Stay on topic.
I explicitly used the term cutlery to get ahead of incompetent morons that would red herring the argument.
Thanks for being an example of someone that’s being wholly disingenuous or ludicrously incompetent.
That means blaming the cutlery problem for obesity, or blaming the food industry for making garbage food, rather than addressing why people are opting for fast food more than good food, dealing with food deserts, and so on. It blaming the tool for the result.