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    Android User here. Never owned any Apple device.

    But they’re fucking good quality. Anyone can see that. So what’s the problem?

    I like Android 'cos I like dicking about with it. Some people don’t want to dick about with their phones, they want to do other stuff that could be more interesting.

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      I carry 2 phones because I have a government job, so if any work is done on my phone it becomes subject to Open Records requests. If I have to carry 2 phones I might as well have both operating systems.

      So my personal phone is Android and my work phone is an iPhone.

      I don’t understand how people prefer iPhones. The hardware is nice, but the OS is horrible. They came up with some neat stuff in 2008, but it feels like they haven’t improved much since then. Even informing the greater flexibility of Android - it’s just easier to use. Hell, just turning wifi or Bluetooth on and off is a hassle on the iPhone versus a single swipe and tap on Android.

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        Hell, just turning wifi or Bluetooth on and off is a hassle on the iPhone versus a single swipe and tap on Android.

        What on earth are you talking about? I’m not going to claim Apple invented it (because they likely stole it from another os like android) but they’ve had the single swipe down control panel on iOS to turn off Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, airplane mode, etc for like a decade+. I have Apple devices, and trust me, there’s plenty to shit on without making stuff up.

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          What he’s talking about is probably that turning off WiFi via quick settings or whatever it’s called doesn’t actually turn off WiFi, you still have to proceed all the way to the settings app.

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            I owned and used a iPhone xs for a number of years. I can assure you that pressing the little WiFi icon in the control centre does the same thing as my Samsung galaxy s21 5g and various other android devices previous to the iPhone xs does and if all fails then you can always turn on airplane mode

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              That may be true, I used to be an iPhone Xs user before my Pixel 7, and it used to drive me crazy seeing blue WiFi icon turning white, as opposed to turning the module off completely in the settings, when the icon becomes transparent.

              It is nitpicking though, for sure. I have tons of other, more significant complaints about iOS, I was just clarifying what it may have been that the other person was complaining about.

              Edit: Moreover, until you deliberately tell your phone to NOT automatically turn on WiFi after an hour or two, it will decide for itself that the time has come and it can drain your battery now.

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          The problem is that they only disconnect. They don’t actually turn off. You have to go into the settings for that.

          When you toggle the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth buttons in Control Center, your device immediately disconnects from Wi-Fi and Bluetooth accessories. Both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth will continue to be available

          https://support.apple.com/en-us/102412

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        Turning off WiFi is as easy as gesturing to the control centre then clicking the WiFi button it’s as easy as android devices where you swipe down from where the notch is and click on the WiFi button

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          Except when I swipe down and it opens the notification window or Siri shortcuts or just a blank screen with a clock on it.

          It’s not consistent.

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            I used an iPhone xs for about a year and a half before clumsily dropping my phone and it sadly coming to its demise and I’ve never had this happen to me. Prehaps I’m lucky. Although knowing lemmy someone probably just made this shit up

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      High quality until you drop it once and the entire screen shatters. High quality until your lightning cable breaks. High quality until planned obsolescence renders it unusable. Nah Apple products are pure ass lmao, literally no reason to ever buy one unless it’s got some exclusive artsy software you really like (and even then there’s prob something just as good for windows or Linux). As far as bang for your buck goes I can’t think of a worse choice than Apple in any given field

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      I think the problems include the fact that an actual apple computer starts at 1000 and going higher than 8GB of RAM and 256G of storage costs you another 1000 because hardware isn’t really modular and storage and ram are a huge tool of market segmentation.

      Meanwhile a traditional desktop starts at $7000.

      It’s like they have lifted everything but the absolutely cheapest market segments out of reach of virtually any normal folks.

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        going higher than 8GB of RAM and 256G of storage costs you another 1000

        These are the things i look at when reviewers talk about apple “taking gaming serious now” and im just like what.

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          As someone who does animation, apple has been terrible for work. Because they take forever to render CGI, compared to my personal gaming computer. Same thing with simple video editing. Having a powerful GPU is pretty nice for work. And because apple is overpriced. I’ve found gaming rigs that are cheaper and do a better job, on top of being more intuitive. Seriously I can’t do anything without the windows search bar. It’s really nice being able to just type in the settings I want to change. And have the OS take me directly there.

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      Pretty much this for me too. Switched to iphone because I no longer wanted to tinker, switched my work laptop to apple silicon because the battery life and performance is stellar.

      Learned to be fine with mac os, do most things in terminal anyway. Will likely switch to asahi linux when it is stable enough that I don’t have to tinker, because tinkering gets in the way of actually getting things done in my situation.

      Also, being real: running LLMs on my mac is great. 128gb of unified memory basically means 120gb of vram. It’s absurdly expensive, but nothing quite like it exists in the market right now.

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      Apple has that break the lense on a camera and your phone starts to brick it’s self as it thinks it’s been repaired by someone who’s not apple

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      Idk every apple product I’ve touched always felt pretty thin and flimsy. Don’t even get me started on Mac mice. They’re so cheaply made you don’t get a second mouse button. The Mac books are so fragile you can break them by looking at them wrong. The only time I’ve ever seen a iPhone that doesn’t have a crack in the screen is when they are brand new. Maybe I’m a bit of a farmer for considering rigidity the definition of high quality, but god how do one button mice feel good.

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      I tried Android with the S10 for a little over a year. It felt too clunky and everything I wanted to customize would have required jailbreaking, which feels too much like work for me. I went back to iPhone after that.

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      I have tried an iphone a google pixel is way better built or pretty much any other similarly priced android.

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    “Apple users” is a bit harsh, the fans can definitely get this culty but it’s not like the functional-but-overpriced hardware is literal shit. Someone else said NFT “investors”, I’d go for fashion people who spend hundreds on a sweatshop-produced t-shirt which just has the logo of the company that’s ripping them off on it (which to be fair does describe some people’s relationship with Apple!)

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    So what you’re saying is that low level workers are socialised to feel like lesser (even though the pandemic really proved who actually matters in the scheme of the whole job system) and also feel trapped by the design of the employment system, under capitalism and angrily try to take some ground back by having just one nice thing, bought with the feeling of pride, but are actually accidentally buying into the system that oppresses them.

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    Apple user here. Can confirm. My excuse is that Apple knows its shit and I am at the period of my life where just thinking about SUDO gives me allergy. So, as long as I do not have to deal with that shit, I am OK paying for this shit. Hell, I am paying for ChatGPT so that it does internet search for me and summarizes the results for me. My time is more valuable for me than dealing with that shit.

    Not suggesting that my way is right way. Many people do like to play with that shit, customize it, fine tune. Those are not users for apple ecosystem. To each their own shit. It is nice to have a choice of shit.

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      I’m not a part of the apple ecosystem, but i have the same attitude towards tech these days. I dont want to be spending time debugging and tuning stuff just to get it working. Tech is tools, that shit just needs to work, fuck tinkering with everything just to get it working properly.

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        I feel the same, but find things getting shittier and shittier. I’m paying more and more for less and less. Then I stumble on an open source project that does all that I want and it’s free.

        Bitwarden vs LastPass Joplin vs Evernote A million different foss projects for all the shit Google has shut down…

        Sometimes spending a little time setting stuff up, ends up saving a huge hastle migrating away from the commercial project that is going to fail unless they fuck over their users.

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          Yeah i do also use a bit of FOSS, and it has been increasing lately, but I still stick to projects with as little fidgeting required as possible.

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        I’m so lost here… Have you ever even tried using a brand new Android phone, or Windows computer? Your comment suggests that no, no you have not.

        Like, hey, you do you. Mac and iOS are totally fine. But don’t spread nonsense about Apple being easier. It’s not easier in any way. In fact, I genuinely find iOS to be more complicated in recent years.

        You do not need to “tune” an android phone or windows computer. Like… I honestly don’t know what that even means.

        I own and fix all types of devices, and apple devices are often some of the most problematic. They do NOT “just work”, but you know what that’s from? It’s from Apple’s marketing campaign rolled out years ago by Steve Jobs.

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          Did you even read my comment? In the very first sentence i say "i am not a part of the apple ecosystem…i said tech (both HW and SW) needs to be easy and ready to go out of the box, i didn’t say android phones and Windows weren’t. It was mostly a comment towards FOSS alternatives which are often not.

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            You replied to someone that strongly asserted that non-Apple devices are convoluted, difficult to use, and confusing. You did so by agreeing that you also hate difficult to use, confusing, and convoluted technologies.

            This struck me as disingenuous. I apologize if you are, indeed, not an Apple fan in an active state of disingenuity. This said, if you are to be believed, then I don’t understand what your comment was adding to the conversation here. Was your entire point truly that you simply dislike confusing technology? Did that really need to be said?

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      I’m so confused… Do you think android and/or windows users use sudo? That’s a Linux thing… Macs run on an off-shoot of Linux.

      Android and iOS are very similar to all “basic” users. Android simply allows super users (ironically this is related to sudo) to use commands if they reeeaaally want to. Although, to be fair, you need an unlocked phone for that.

      Normies, are just allowed third party apps like ReVanced that let you skip YouTube ads for free. Do you not like that ability? If so, you can pay. Google loves that. Google owns Android. We’ve done a loop-dee-loop now, I do believe.

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        I admittedly know less about Android today. But I chose iOS when Android was quite bad. With iPhone I am not afraid, for example that if I lose or break it, then I need to spend any significant amount of time to setup new iPhone. Couple clicks and the new phone is in exactly in the same state as the old one. Same apps, same files, everything. Maybe Android become better today, I do not know for sure. But I heard enough of the stories from my friends about difficulties because the new Android phone runs Android of different version than the old phone, so, some programs are missing, some things are different and so on.

        With Windows, while it is also becoming better, it is still plagued with some hardware driver bugs, etc. For half a year, for example, my computer would just refuse to go to sleep automatically. I tried everything I could find on internet - no luck. Then one day, it just fixed itself for no reason. The update system also for some reason fails to install some updates. And the sound output constantly switches to monitor speakers which I do not have.

        My iMacs - zero issuers. They just work. My iPhones - zero issues. My iPads - zero issues. Single convenient ecosystem. Oh, add Apple Watch there as well.

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          With iPhone I am not afraid, for example that if I lose or break it, then I need to spend any significant amount of time to setup new iPhone. Couple clicks and the new phone is in exactly in the same state as the old one. Same apps, same files, everything.

          That is exactly how Android phones work as well, and they have for many years. I think my last phone that needed a third party app to do things like transfer contacts was the Samsung Galaxy S4 (2013).

          I recommend you check out the competition. I say this purely because I want more consumers to be critical of big brands and their latest offerings. If everyone intelligently assessed devices when they came out without a bias, I genuinely believe all of the devices we use (Apple, Google, Samsung, etc.) would be far better in just about every way, including their price.

          Instead, Apple has set a long-standing precedent amongst the majority of their user-base that their devices are so good you don’t need to compare them against their own competition. This has been so successful that it’s led to other companies like Samsung and Google to adopting Apple “design choices” (non-replacable batteries, sealing devices so they are difficult or impossible to repair, removing the headphone jack, etc.) that end up being incredibly bad for all of us consumers.

          The latest phones these days are a joke. Google, Apple, Samsung… they are pretty much ALL jokes that are nearly identical to the previous years model.

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      I used Linux at home and work for 15 years - 1998 through 2013 - and finally I was Jesus fucking Christ, I don’t want to spend 5 hours configuring a video card ever again, and bought a MacBook. It’s funny these days seeing people “I USE ARCH BRO” because I know I could but I just don’t get enjoyment out of it these days. Same with phones. I couldn’t give less of a fuck about rooting my phone or running a custom ROM.

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      Hell, I am paying for ChatGPT so that it does internet search for me and summarizes the results for me

      Does ChatGPT even do this? I thought it was trained on a closed data set from 2021. While it can learn new things through conversation, it doesn’t actually search the internet anymore. Right? It’s literally just predictive text on your phone. It’s supposed to make you feel like it’s answering you but it’s all smoke & mirrors.

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        The paid version does that. The data set is expanded to sometime in 2023 and it actually browses internet when needed using bing as search engine. It does lots of other interesting things, such as uses Dall-E to draw images when needed, or uses python and executes the code in background when needed (but you can check it). For example, if you ask a numerical question that requires solution of equations, it will do it in python. An example of such question I recently asked is “at what temperature the value in Kelvin and Fahrenheit is the same?”

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    I want to break free off APPLE and I can’t because I love this app called CLIPS.

    It’s a video editing app that allows me to hold down the button and take a few seconds of video. Lift finger, video stops recording. Hold button down again and the next clip connects to previous. And so on. Also a ton of great filters.

    Addicted to it.

    Please show me the android alternative.

    Not kidding. I can stop being a shit eater for this.

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      Yeah not Apple. They limit you to their ecosystem while Android lets you do literally whatever the fuck you want. Don’t want to pay for an app in the app store? Then don’t. Don’t want to use the default home screen environment? Then change it. I could go on but I mean it’s pretty obvious at this point.

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        Yep. I’ve been an Android girl since the beginning. The only Apple product I ever had was a free iPad my husband’s job gave us because they were pushing Apple products on everyone because that’s how they spy on everyone. Oh but Android spies on us too but at least we have all the benefits you mentioned above.

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          And technically there are ways (using some of the above mentioned stuff) to turn off those kinds of security and spyware stuff while Apple is known for buttons that say things like “stop tracking data” or similar that do literally nothing.

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      We decided this app is too old for your device, so it is disabled with no way of enabling it

      ~Sinisterly Apple