• RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world
    75·
    1 year ago

    I actually have some telemetry enabled on my system, cause I want the maintainers of my distro to have more data to base their decisions on. I always disable everything for proprietary software though, and I dislike opt-out systems.

    • bloup@lemmy.sdf.org
      19·
      1 year ago

      I only enable telemetry for software provided by nonprofit organizations that are legally obligated to publish detailed financial records. Never give anyone that reserves the right to sell you out any of the benefit of your data for free.

      • hikaru755@feddit.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        reserves the right to sell you out

        Is Canonical actually doing that, though? Collecting data for product improvement purposes and collecting it to potentially sell to third parties are two wildly different things, and doing the former, even with the user’s consent, does not mean you automatically reserve the right to do the latter (or anything else, really) with the collected data, unless you explicitly already include that as an option and get consent for it as well. I haven’t looked into it myself, so I might be wrong here, but I’m guessing Canonical would be getting way more shit for this if they were actually reserving the right to outright sell the telemetry they’re collecting, rather than just use it for product planning and development.

    • PlexSheep@feddit.de
      6·
      1 year ago

      If they ask nicely, maybe I will accept. The KDE guys have telemetry iirc, they get what they need.

  • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lolEnglish
    72·
    1 year ago

    Just why?

    It’s been really sad watching them shoot themselves in the foot like this. They seem bent on destroying their distro. Which was the first distro I really used on an old laptop after trying a few.

    Man Ubuntu 16 those were the days.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      35·
      1 year ago

      It’s also amazing they even try because a good percentage of Ubuntu users are likely knowledgeable tech users who like to stay aware of their software. Many of them are probably former or current Microsoft or Apple users who want to avoid big corporate OS systems because of creeping advertising.

    • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
      18·
      1 year ago

      Why? Because it’s working, at least for now.

      Canonical has pulled similar shit for years now. Remember the Amazon search integration? They do it again and again, yet most users stay.

      And I know, someone will comment “but I totally ditched Ubuntu and my one friend did too!!!”, but how is Ubuntu still the most popular distribution? Finding snaps is easier than finding flatpacks or debs or rpms. Finding support is easier, etc. This might be just momentum, but until that is running out, it’s working.

      • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
        5·
        1 year ago

        He said Ubuntu 16, I believe the Amazon search fiasco was in 2012. He simply hasn’t been using Linux long enough to know that Ubuntu used to be good. His baseline user experience is probably gnome 3.

        So he’s comparing extra-shitty Ubuntu to shitty Ubuntu and saying it didn’t used to be shitty.

        • Fabrik872@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          I know that amazon search was there also in 16.04 because it was my first distro and in my country i only briefly heard about amazon so it looked cool to me to have one button to order something but i never clicked on it because i tought it only works in rich countries or something. At that time i didnt gave a crap about privacy i was sold on it because i liked the design of unity and the fact that it looks different than school pcs with windows so it didnt remind me school

        • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lolEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Ubuntu actually still had the unity desktop environment when I started using it. And I wasn’t happy when they switched to gnome. Thats part of why I stopped using it

    • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlOP
      88·
      1 year ago

      I don’t hate Ubuntu, it used to be my favorite distro and I haven’t found anything that really replaces it. I hate Canonical for destroying my favorite distro

  • voxel@sopuli.xyz
    38·
    1 year ago

    Microsoft:

    adding telemetry to the terminal.
    (in a recent poweshell update)

    • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
      138·
      1 year ago

      This is the “ad”. Personally, I don’t think a little plug like this is worth any kind of fuss. If it were a real ad or something, then yea I would get it.

      • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
        139·
        1 year ago

        An ad is an ad and this definitely is an ad. This is the kind of shit that made me quit Windows and it would make me quit Ubuntu if I was using it.

        • folkrav@lemmy.ca
          68·
          1 year ago

          This. Any unsollicited communication that’s meant to make you investigate or buy a commercial product is an advertisement. That’s all. Is it less intrusive than the TikTok ad in Windows start menu, I think it may be, but it’s still an advertisement, by definition.

          • _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz
            7·
            1 year ago

            Is it less intrusive

            For me it is, I would’ve never ever expected an ad on cli, on a local install, on my machine.

            Logged into an ec2 and see an advert? Sure. But not on my own shit. It’s a true “ah fuck I can’t believe you’ve done this” factor.

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
            6·
            1 year ago

            Ubuntu Pro seems to be free for regular users (on up to five machines).

            Would bother me a lot more if it wasn’t a free service. Now it’s ehh

            • folkrav@lemmy.ca
              14·
              1 year ago

              As I mentioned in another comment, it’s still a commercial offering, that happens to have a free tier. Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?

              Honestly, it doesn’t bother me that much. It’s more that you can see a more and more corporate-y trend in Canonical’s decision making, which I personally don’t really care for. If I used Ubuntu with the default shell I’d probably just override the MOTD and go on with my life.

              • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
                3·
                1 year ago

                Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?

                Like, promoting Youtube or just a link to a Youtube video promoting Ubuntu Pro or what do you mean?

                • folkrav@lemmy.ca
                  7·
                  1 year ago

                  A link promoting any other commercial product with a free tier. Like AWS, or YouTube.

        • Virtual Insanity @lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          I think this is the best take. This alone if it went nowhere is fairly harmless.

          But I think we know what it really is, is the start of a slippery slope.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          Different strokes and all that. I’m personally ok with the way this is done, but I can also see why people wouldn’t like it at all

          • jaybone@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 year ago

            I use Ubuntu and I haven’t seen ads in the terminal.

            But I see everyone complaining about them.

            What am I missing here?

          • batmaniam@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            I’m newer to linux, and kind of a moron, but I 1) bounced off Ubuntu and 2) haven’t seen this crap with Debian.

      • Th4tGuyII@kbin.social
        52·
        1 year ago

        While I’m not bothered by this in particular, like other people have said, it feels like the top of a very slippery slope that I would be bothered by

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          14·
          1 year ago

          That’s pretty much how I feel about it. This specific method is alright by me, but it could very easily become something intrusive.

          • macniel@feddit.de
            5·
            1 year ago

            I don’t think that’s from a server but instead it’s baked into apt. Or some post-install trigger.

      • aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18·
        1 year ago

        I’ve been getting ads like these for years on my ubuntu server.

        n additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.
Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esm

        This is on a machine running 20.04. Never bothered me. All my other machines are Debian now, and at some point I’ll switch that one too.

      • galmuth@feddit.uk
        13·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, this isn’t that bad. It’s just a suggestion after running an apt upgrade. NPM has similar plugs which I don’t find too annoying.

        In fact its not even as intrusive as NPM’s funding requests, as it is only 2 lines of text, plus it looks like Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use.

        • zzzz@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          I mean… It is literally an ad. I don’t see how you could not consider it one. You could claim it doesn’t bother you or isn’t too intrusive or something, but it most certainly is an ad.

      • Grabbels@lemmy.world
        8·
        1 year ago

        I see a lot of people comment that this isn’t that bad and that it might even be acceptable, and that’s exactly the problem here: it’s a gateway drug and if we normalise this, Canonical will keep pushing the limits of what they can pull off before it’s not acceptable anymore, and that sounds when it’s too late.

    • SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net
      16·
      1 year ago

      Haven’t kept up with Ubuntu, but I believe this. It’s in line with Canonical’s behavior. They are very corporaty

    • umbrella@lemmy.ml
      4·
      1 year ago

      Kind of, they have announcements in the terminal sometimes and telemetry wont go out unless you confirm you want it to. I personally have it disabled, but its not invasive.

  • Lime66@lemmy.world
    28·
    1 year ago

    Telemetry is significantly less invasive than on windows or Mac, and is completely optional during installation, after which you will never be asked to turn it on again

    • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlOP
      28·
      1 year ago

      Which version of Ubuntu you’re installing (including which flavour), Whether you have network connectivity, Hardware stats, including CPU, RAM, GPU, etc, Your device vendor (e.g., Dell, Lenovo, etc), Your country (based on the time zone you pick, not IP), How long your install took to complete, Whether you have auto login enabled, Your disk layout (how many hard drives and partitions you have), Whether you chose to install third party codecs, Whether you chose to download updates during install

      (According to OMG!Ubuntu) Most distros offer optional telemetry, but Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in (for GNOME you have to separately install the telemetry)

      • IsoKiero@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in

        I haven’t installed ubuntu in a while, but in EU you need to have prior consent from the user to gather any kind of data and if I remember correctly I haven’t seen such thing. And it’s not enough to bury that into documentation and say ‘if you use our software you allow us to blah blah’, you must get consent via an action from the user which spesifically allows that, so if telemetry comes silently with ‘apt dist-upgrade’ it’s not enough.

        • brenno@lemmy.brennoflavio.com.brEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          In Ubuntu in the post install screen theres is the telemetry screen where they explain it, allow you opt out and give you a json example of the data they’re collecting from your machine.

  • Lem Jukes@lemm.ee
    5·
    1 year ago

    First the deliberate there/their BS on the other post, and now literally ? Yeah you’re definitely a real user with no other motivations whatsoever. Fuck off shill

  • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
    5·
    1 year ago

    Telling people about in-house programs in this manner is fine imo. If it was third party stuff I’d leave Ubuntu, but as it stands it’s still a great distro.