Yeah but you dismiss things without providing any counter evidence, science is always willing to change but that has to be backed up by empirical evidence, which there isn’t much of to back up astrology. “SCIENCE IS NEVER CERTAIN.” Is a cop out dismissal used by people who don’t understand science but think because they half listened in science class during the part about scientific method they don’t need to provide evidence to back up claims they make.
Edit: If you have empirical non anecdotal evidence to back up your claims I’m all ears btw.
Yeah but you dismiss things without providing any counter evidence
When did I do that?
“SCIENCE IS NEVER CERTAIN.” Is a cop out dismissal used by people who don’t understand science but think because they half listened in science class during the part about scientific method they don’t need to provide evidence to back up claims they make.
It is also a factual statement by people who do understand science and are tired of seeing scientific fundamentalism instill a smug sense of certainty in people who claim to be scientific.
I never claimed that astrology is true. All I said was that absolute statements are unscientific.
If you don’t understand the difference between saying that something is true, and saying that there is a possibility of something being true, you offer no value in scientific discourse.
Says the person who thinks a single data point with no control is a “test”, to someone who is a well published Doctor of Chemistry and has been practicing science for the last 15 years.
Yeah buddy, you go ahead and say I’m the one offering no value to scientific discourse. How many peer-reviewed papers have you published?
This guy’s a nut job his whole argument is that 100% truth cannot be known while admitting that science is a great tool for knowing 99% of the truth he’s actually proud of being 1% correct. 😅
Yeah, Newtonian gravity is 99% correct. It’s extremely useful most of the time, but it’s wrong. Forgetting that fact is a slippery slope to more damaging assumptions.
Bro, theories are rarely proven “wrong” it’s more that they are built upon when studies come along that shed more light on a specific phenomenon. It’s better to say that science tries to become more correct than to say it is proven wrong. I’m open to new empirical evidence changing my view but you only have your annecdotal story to back up your claims. I’m not forgetting that fact you are.
It’s better to say that science tries to become more correct than to say it is proven wrong.
Exactly, or proven right. Science is the process of developing models which more closely approximate the world we see. It’s a fantastic tool for doing that, and the best tool we have for improving knowledge overall. But it cannot support absolute declarations. There is always the possibility that a future theory shows inadequacies in the present one.
People like you seem to think that our present theories are fundamentally special, that we’ve reached the pinnacle of knowledge. What’s the difference between you, and the highly educated scientists over the centuries who laughed at far-fetched theories that we use today?
Do I think astrology is a particularly useful or accurate model? No, not really. But once you start down the path of absolutism it slithers bit by bit into more and more uncertain topics. It’s a troubling trend that turns otherwise intelligent people into fundamentalists.
Acknowledging the potential of a theory I don’t personally believe is a small price to pay for mental hygiene.
Since we’re doing appeal to authority, fewer than John von Neumann, who had the humility to believe as I do that “Truth… is much too complicated to allow anything but approximations”
I approximate that astrology is bullshit based on nothing. So far the data backs me up and no one has found any positive data in it’s favour. Astrology is conman crap, always has been.
Are you going to start telling me evolution doesn’t exist, because it’s just a theory next?
Buddy, I don’t believe in astrology. I do believe in evolution. These are personal beliefs based on an overwhelming mountain of evidence.
However, I would never say astrology is absolutely false, or evolution absolutely true because, as I’ve said, that’s brain rot. Absolute certainty is a poison. Sure, it seems justified with something like astrology, but once people get into the habit of declaring absolutes based on present evidence, that balloons into pernicious bullshit like astrology. It’s bad practice.
I don’t oppose tending towards the evidence, I overwhelming support it. I don’t make decisions in my life based on astrology. What I do oppose is promoting bad cognitive habits like absolute declarations about reality.
Yeah but you dismiss things without providing any counter evidence, science is always willing to change but that has to be backed up by empirical evidence, which there isn’t much of to back up astrology. “SCIENCE IS NEVER CERTAIN.” Is a cop out dismissal used by people who don’t understand science but think because they half listened in science class during the part about scientific method they don’t need to provide evidence to back up claims they make. Edit: If you have empirical non anecdotal evidence to back up your claims I’m all ears btw.
When did I do that?
It is also a factual statement by people who do understand science and are tired of seeing scientific fundamentalism instill a smug sense of certainty in people who claim to be scientific.
I never claimed that astrology is true. All I said was that absolute statements are unscientific.
You did say astrology could be true:
But really you just fell for the Barnum effect.
If you don’t understand the difference between saying that something is true, and saying that there is a possibility of something being true, you offer no value in scientific discourse.
Says the person who thinks a single data point with no control is a “test”, to someone who is a well published Doctor of Chemistry and has been practicing science for the last 15 years.
Yeah buddy, you go ahead and say I’m the one offering no value to scientific discourse. How many peer-reviewed papers have you published?
This guy’s a nut job his whole argument is that 100% truth cannot be known while admitting that science is a great tool for knowing 99% of the truth he’s actually proud of being 1% correct. 😅
Yeah, Newtonian gravity is 99% correct. It’s extremely useful most of the time, but it’s wrong. Forgetting that fact is a slippery slope to more damaging assumptions.
Bro, theories are rarely proven “wrong” it’s more that they are built upon when studies come along that shed more light on a specific phenomenon. It’s better to say that science tries to become more correct than to say it is proven wrong. I’m open to new empirical evidence changing my view but you only have your annecdotal story to back up your claims. I’m not forgetting that fact you are.
Exactly, or proven right. Science is the process of developing models which more closely approximate the world we see. It’s a fantastic tool for doing that, and the best tool we have for improving knowledge overall. But it cannot support absolute declarations. There is always the possibility that a future theory shows inadequacies in the present one.
People like you seem to think that our present theories are fundamentally special, that we’ve reached the pinnacle of knowledge. What’s the difference between you, and the highly educated scientists over the centuries who laughed at far-fetched theories that we use today?
Do I think astrology is a particularly useful or accurate model? No, not really. But once you start down the path of absolutism it slithers bit by bit into more and more uncertain topics. It’s a troubling trend that turns otherwise intelligent people into fundamentalists.
Acknowledging the potential of a theory I don’t personally believe is a small price to pay for mental hygiene.
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Since we’re doing appeal to authority, fewer than John von Neumann, who had the humility to believe as I do that “Truth… is much too complicated to allow anything but approximations”
I approximate that astrology is bullshit based on nothing. So far the data backs me up and no one has found any positive data in it’s favour. Astrology is conman crap, always has been.
Are you going to start telling me evolution doesn’t exist, because it’s just a theory next?
Buddy, I don’t believe in astrology. I do believe in evolution. These are personal beliefs based on an overwhelming mountain of evidence.
However, I would never say astrology is absolutely false, or evolution absolutely true because, as I’ve said, that’s brain rot. Absolute certainty is a poison. Sure, it seems justified with something like astrology, but once people get into the habit of declaring absolutes based on present evidence, that balloons into pernicious bullshit like astrology. It’s bad practice.
I don’t oppose tending towards the evidence, I overwhelming support it. I don’t make decisions in my life based on astrology. What I do oppose is promoting bad cognitive habits like absolute declarations about reality.
Except astrology is absolutely bullshit. It has been proven time and time again.
And evolution is actually scientific fact, the theory is just about how it occurs, but the fact it occurs is 100% fact.
There are truths in science, the fact you are unaware of that shows why you don’t know shit about science.