• HorreC
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    486 months ago

    Its almost like, you had a perfectly good place to openly say why it is the way it is. And instead you decided to just be like you know not the way of wizards.

    • BruceTwarzen
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      From all i saw about the game, i don’t think i would play it for free. The loading screens are outrageous and the UI is absolute garbage and even that has loading screens. With all the time you spend in your menues for these games, noooo thank you.

  • @Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
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    466 months ago

    Their working culture must be incredibly toxic to be responding like this to valid criticism.

    It really explains the state of the game.

    • Rottcodd
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      This is the same company that took a weird joke character from Morrowind - M’aiq the Liar - and added him into Oblivion solely so that he could deliver a bunch of lines that were all just thinly veiled dismissals of criticisms that were made during development and/or insults leveled at the people who made them.

      This is nothing new for them.

      (edit to fix annoying typo)

    • @stardust@lemmy.ca
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      106 months ago

      Yeah, gives the sense that open discussion amongst employees was heavily discouraged, and it was being led by a few people absolutely fixated on making their vision come true and making people afraid to question them even if they thought it was bad.

  • @qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world
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    LOL, yup keep bashing the customers. Bethesda are sprinting to their grave. Whole lot of trust has been flying out the window since 76 dropped and it doesn’t seem to be slowing

    • Buck Fucket
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      96 months ago

      Sprinting to their grave? They could release elder scrolls 6 now in its current state and people would say “it’s a Bethesda game, there of course are bugs!” And move on with their day. Meanwhile Bethesda rakes in millions off a broken and incomplete game.

  • @delitomatoes@lemm.ee
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    226 months ago

    Is it the Creation engine?

    “No, you don’t understand, game dev is hard”

    Is it the Creation engine?

    “Is not that simple! There are complexities abound!”

    Is it the Creation engine?

    “Yes…”

    • @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      56 months ago

      And that Emil doesn’t use design documents

      So Bethesda is trying to make sprawling RPGs without a central documentation system to help track it all

      Which is likely why their games now feel so fucking disconnected compared to their old games

  • @Fades@lemmy.world
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    216 months ago

    They treat their users like children yet those same children are the ones finishing the broken games they shit out

  • Poggervania
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    Doesn’t matter why a design is a certain way - if it’s shit, it’s shit.

    Knowing why something is shit doesn’t make it not shit all of the sudden. I could tell you that Devil May Cry 2 was literally a single animation before they released it 4 months later, but it doesn’t make DMC2 a better game.

  • donuts
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    176 months ago

    Don’t fool yourself into thinking that even a single player cares why it is the way it is.

  • @fsxylo@sh.itjust.works
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    Because you’ve been reskinning Morrowind for 20 years? A game that you can probably ai generate at this point?

  • @russjr08@bitforged.space
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    156 months ago

    So… then what is the real reason? You can’t go screaming “You don’t understand why it is like this!” without offering an explanation, and then wonder why people are listening to only the offered up reasons where they can get it (which generally is their own experience).

    • @Kraivo@lemmy.world
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      Technically you can

      Also, giving people the key to understanding underlying things usually makes people don’t enjoy the scheme. For example, i can’t play most of Blizzard games cus i know, their scheme is “if players suffers enough, he will be happier to get something, so grind justified”

      And to add cherry on top, he might be under some sort of NDA still

      • @russjr08@bitforged.space
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        66 months ago

        Sure, but I’d argue (and perhaps this is just me) in both cases where you either can’t say anything or the reasoning is awful, that it’s just better to stay silent than to come out with:

        “But don’t fool yourself into thinking you know why it is the way it is (unless it’s somehow documented and verified), or how it got to be that way (good or bad)”

        Now of course, there is some merit to what the rest of his quote says, but people are way more likely to pickup the harsher aspects of what you say (such as what has happened here), and in general this tone tends to go over like a lead balloon.

        I’ve not played Starfield, aside from for 45 minutes because I had the chance to via game pass, so I don’t know what to think about the game. I agree that you shouldn’t go and spew vitriol at the individual developers making the games (management however… I’ll leave that to each person’s choice…) because there is a difference between saying a game is horrible, versus saying that a whole team is horrible. But the way this was approached somewhat comes across as "Don’t you dare " which I’ve never liked, and is only likely to make the situation worse.

    • @ramirezmike@programming.dev
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      he does kinda say why. Games are difficult to make already and there are a lot of concessions that get made due to time constraints or business choices that are out of the hands of the developers.

      • @guacupado@lemmy.world
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        36 months ago

        Maybe they need to stop announcing shit half a decade before it comes out so they don’t need to time crunch for expectations.

    • @qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee
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      I haven’t seen any other videos on the subject, but his seemed to really skewer the game. I won’t even buy it on sale for that shitty experience of loading screens, fast travel and running across deserted planetscapes.

  • @2deck@lemmy.world
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    136 months ago

    Most people don’t get it.

    With the right perspective you can note the sleek curves and suble divets. The way it flows and flops. It becomes possible to appreciate the subtle aromas of digested tendies and ketchup. Then you realise it’s a part of you… you are a part of the poo and the poo is a part of you.

    That’s how you enjoy that thing you don’t understand silly billy

  • @Elderos@sh.itjust.works
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    You would think all those AAA devs would know by now that voicing that kind of stuff publicly is shit PR. Strangely enough sometime the indies appear to be the professional one.

    That being said, I read the 5 Tweets, which I doubt many here did, and it is really not that bad. It is probably in response to some reviewers calling the game thrash with made-up fanfiction how game development goes. I think it is the later he has an issue with. Not that some players dislike the game.

    Calling out your customers is always a losing bet. But he’s absolutely right in its rant. Anyone who worked professionally in a game studio understand that the very vast majority of gamers are clueless, and especially those who speak with authority on YouTube and big platforms. Listening to such bs takes and misinformation over time certainly has its toll. “Gamers” in general, or should I say vocal gamers, are a very annoying and whiny bunch to please. You can hate playing a game all you want, but some gamers take it too far by attacking the devs directly and making it personal on top of making up bullshit about the nature of the job. “Gamedev is hard” is a terrible response to tell your userbase, but if more people understood how fucking true it is maybe they’d have a bit more empathy and would realize how petty some of the complaints.are in the bigger scheme of things.

    • @randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Agreed.

      It must feel bad to put your heart and soul into something people genuinely dislike. It’s evident that Game Dev is hard. Their failures are the example that proves the rule.

      In the end though, if the quality of the product is objectively sub par then the criticism is well deserved and the sales numbers should reflect that. There is a narrative of poor quality and disappointment that’s been talked about amongst their fanbase for a while and I think it’s just been compounding ever since fallout76. Nakey Jakey just did an interesting video on it and I think this level of disappointment is what Bethesda’s strongest supporters are feeling right now.

      Link to video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS2emKDlGmE