President Joe Biden is pardoning thousands of people who were convicted of use and simple possession of marijuana on federal lands and in the District of Columbia.
Lemmy sucks. You’re whiney fucks. Enjoy the win. Both sides are not the same. This is an unfathomable event previously. Anyone remember Jeff Sessions first months in office? Stop bitching and show some fucking gratitude. Thousands of people are being pardoned. Is it perfect and everything we want? No. Does that take away from the achievement? No.
Purity tests all the way down and it’s why populism never actually works. You can’t be happy, even a little bit, about incremental progress if the “real problem” hasn’t been dealt with. That problem will always be broad and impossible to truly achieve outside of theory. You end up with an ideology just centered around anger and despair.
People who do this shit maintain positions they know are practically unworkable because the thing they fear most is actually having to govern and make difficult choices in the real world and then answer for the consequences of those decisions. It’s much easier to just loudly state a preference for fantasy.
It just rings extremely hollow after he spent the last three years shoveling money at state police departments that are going to keep on harassing and brutalizing people by the tens of thousands for marijuana possession, not to mention the fact that he could reschedule and effectively legalize marijuana on a federal level but chooses not to do so
More generally speaking, you just can’t be surprised that people are skeptical of Biden when his supporters constantly ignore context and straight up lie to pretend that he’s someone he’s not
As opposed to fucking what? Trump? Because more and worse Trump is what you’d get if you didn’t have Biden.
He’s not perfect. But he’s managed to keep this crumbling nation together for at least a few more years. Every single option on the Republican side is a nightmare compared to Biden. If the Democrats can come up with someone better than Biden who can also defeat the Republican nominee, great, let’s do it. Until then, we should all remember that there’s a huge fucking cliff from where we are now vs where we’d be without Biden.
the fact that he could reschedule and effectively legalize marijuana
No he can’t. He can direct the DEA to look into rescheduling the drug, a process he has already started. But he doesn’t have the authority to unilaterally force them to reschedule it. He could theoretically Saturday Night Massacre the DEA into doing it, but they really wouldn’t be a good look.
You are top comment. I always hated this “reddit sucks” attitude that everyone always adopted, especially when taking the most common and popular opinions on the platform.
Hahahahahaahhahahhaa I rarely go back to see votes and shit… I’ve yet to ever have a highly voted comment here. Only bc your reply did I catch this. Phenomenal it’s this comment
There are a lot of right wing Poe’s law trolls here pretending to be leftists, and a handful of people who get caught up in their privileged contrarian virtue. It’s shocking to me that this isn’t extremely obvious to more people here.
For sure. Actual leftists often criticize the Dems, because the Dems aren’t leftist. They are mostly just centrists and they are in bed with Corporate America. That being said, I don’t understand why some people have to criticize every little thing. I have been pretty critical of the Democratic party, myself, as a self identifying Socialist (begrudgingly still vote for them, because the other 1 option is way worse). These pardons are a good thing, though, and I don’t see what the problem is for some people.
Some extreme leftists just turn into such contrarians that they end up sounding the same as right wing fear mongerers. It’s like the political spectrum is a circle, with both of the left and right ends meeting up in a bubble of authoritarianism and hate.
A zillion percent. So much so I blocked a ton of keywords of political posts showing up for me here
Then I ate a bunch of edibles and wrote an essay about my feelings on the matter.
at least our complaints are encouraging momentum rather than dusting off our hands and doing a smithers esque very good sir! because he pardoned people with fake charges that should’ve never existed that he and his VP gleefully enforced and implicitly defended for years and years
I completely disagree that your complaints spur a single thing. Every heard the phrase “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar”? Or how about if I get your thoughts on how to rear a child? Do you beat them, complain about their accomplishments constantly, or do you encourage and support them? Encouragement, support, and excitement do more to inspire change than any amount of complaints.
Incrementalism is the only bloodless way to achieve true progress. I embrace it, and celebrate these wins.
That’s not always true. Like the literal case linked, politicians dragging their feet is one of the exceptions to the rule that positive reinforcement works better than loudly stating that you’re not satisfied and why you’re not satisfied.
Or how about if I get your thoughts on how to rear a child
Politicians aren’t children and shouldn’t be coddled as if they were.
Encouragement, support, and excitement do more to inspire change than any amount of complaints.
Again, politics is an exception. A politician who is informed of a problem or the inadequacy of their solutions will perform better than one who receives praise and adulation every time they affect a tiny fraction of the positive change within their power.
Incrementalism is the only bloodless a truly feckless way to achieve true extremely limited progress
Fixed that for you. Here’s what Martin Luther King thought of your Incrementalism:
Haha, I do like the study on actual flies. That’s fun. I still think the analogy holds true for human behavior. I hope it should be obvious I’m not condoning never taking anyone to task when it’s deserved, politician or otherwise. I think making it the core of your political movement is complete folly though.
I obviously recognize that politicians are not children. That’s not how analogies work. I also think embracing celebration of wins instead of immediately scolding for not going far enough is not “coddling”, either in the case of children or politicians. I think viewing it as such is part of the problem.
I disagree that MLK Jr was referring to Incrementalism explicitly there, but regardless, I’m not a big fan of pulling out political “saints” to make a point. If you think my underlying point is that we should embrace tradition and stability over all progress, I think that’s an unfair assumption based on what I’ve written here. But do I want my country and society to improve without us all killing each other or breaking every rule that gets in the way of our view? Yeah, I think that’s true for me. And I don’t see anything that MLK advocated for, in ends or means, that disagreed with that notion.
So yeah, I want congress to legalize weed. Hell, I smoke daily and have bought my weed illegally in sketchy parking lots. But I’m going to celebrate this, because some good people who did nothing wrong get to celebrate Christmas at home.
Stop. This isn’t coherent. The MLK quote is irrelevant and out of context. Moderate support by a human, has no parallel to a weak law. They’re different concepts.
Momentum is incremental progress towards a goal, this is that. You’ve said nothing convincing to a rational adult. We don’t put flags on our trucks that show him riding a dinosaur with his shirt off, we don’t agree with everything, but it’s general progress and we accept that. We accept AND we push for more.
Thanks! That’s pretty much my entire feelings about the DNC. I live in the most liberal county in America. Obviously I’m not satisfied with federal laws. But whining about Biden while an autocrat is on the doorstep of the WH is pathetic. Wannabe progressive losers on the Internet gaslit by Russian, Chinese and right wing propaganda. A fucking thread about releasing marijuana convictions flooded with Biden is basically the alt right. We have fought for this inch for DECADES.
Fuck off Lemmy. Your holier than thou bullshit is sad and transparent. You’re thinking no more critically or analytically than on Reddit.
Your comment is what sucks:
I’m asking “Why does everyone treat a base hit, the same as a game losing strikeout?”
You’re accusing me of saying “Why aren’t you assholes celebrating this base hit like a grand slam?!”
Please take a second to think about this without taking it personally. If the analogy is off let me know how so and I’ll try again.
If the analogy is off let me know how so and I’ll try again.
Ok. If you wanna do baseball analogies, let’s. Democrats have a tendency to hit the showers without finishing the game as soon as they hit a single. No amount of rejoicing over the single is gonna get them to the world series.
Hahahaahahha well done. I’m tearing up laughing at how real that is. Once more, I don’t disagree with you. Doesn’t change the fact Lemmy has a shitty attitude and no joy. I have gratitude for this order by Biden. None of the dialogue on this post and this action, is about the legitimate positive impact of the change in policy stance.
Personally, I think people who generalize and complain about Lemmy or Reddit as if they’re some sort of monoliths or “hiveminds” are the ones with the shitty attitude.
I don’t think you can blame people for being sick of the negativity. It’s everywhere these days. You can’t get away from it. You’d be forgiven for thinking that this smallish move on Biden’s part would be greeted with indifference rather than outright boos, but no, nothing is ever good enough, this is the world we live in.
No. The political racketeers that caused this problem tacitly admitting that they’ve destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives for no reason at all is in no way or shape any kind of “win.”
When they start paying reparations to all the people they’ve victimized through these self-serving laws throughout the decades, then we can start talking about “wins.”
Lemmy sucks. You’re whiney fucks. Enjoy the win. Both sides are not the same. This is an unfathomable event previously. Anyone remember Jeff Sessions first months in office? Stop bitching and show some fucking gratitude. Thousands of people are being pardoned. Is it perfect and everything we want? No. Does that take away from the achievement? No.
Purity tests all the way down and it’s why populism never actually works. You can’t be happy, even a little bit, about incremental progress if the “real problem” hasn’t been dealt with. That problem will always be broad and impossible to truly achieve outside of theory. You end up with an ideology just centered around anger and despair.
People who do this shit maintain positions they know are practically unworkable because the thing they fear most is actually having to govern and make difficult choices in the real world and then answer for the consequences of those decisions. It’s much easier to just loudly state a preference for fantasy.
It just rings extremely hollow after he spent the last three years shoveling money at state police departments that are going to keep on harassing and brutalizing people by the tens of thousands for marijuana possession, not to mention the fact that he could reschedule and effectively legalize marijuana on a federal level but chooses not to do so
More generally speaking, you just can’t be surprised that people are skeptical of Biden when his supporters constantly ignore context and straight up lie to pretend that he’s someone he’s not
As opposed to fucking what? Trump? Because more and worse Trump is what you’d get if you didn’t have Biden.
He’s not perfect. But he’s managed to keep this crumbling nation together for at least a few more years. Every single option on the Republican side is a nightmare compared to Biden. If the Democrats can come up with someone better than Biden who can also defeat the Republican nominee, great, let’s do it. Until then, we should all remember that there’s a huge fucking cliff from where we are now vs where we’d be without Biden.
Don’t get complacent. Don’t take it for granted.
The lesser of two evils is still fucking evil.
IA! Fthagn!
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No he can’t. He can direct the DEA to look into rescheduling the drug, a process he has already started. But he doesn’t have the authority to unilaterally force them to reschedule it. He could theoretically Saturday Night Massacre the DEA into doing it, but they really wouldn’t be a good look.
“Lemmy sucks.”
You are top comment. I always hated this “reddit sucks” attitude that everyone always adopted, especially when taking the most common and popular opinions on the platform.
Hahahahahaahhahahhaa I rarely go back to see votes and shit… I’ve yet to ever have a highly voted comment here. Only bc your reply did I catch this. Phenomenal it’s this comment
Like all the people bitching about the reddit hivemind just because they have an opinion that isn’t literally dominant.
Hivemind was always the wrong word anyway. It’s more of a mob mentality than anything organized and productive like a hive.
There are a lot of right wing Poe’s law trolls here pretending to be leftists, and a handful of people who get caught up in their privileged contrarian virtue. It’s shocking to me that this isn’t extremely obvious to more people here.
I think there’s also a lot of far left people here accusing left people to be right wing.
For sure. Actual leftists often criticize the Dems, because the Dems aren’t leftist. They are mostly just centrists and they are in bed with Corporate America. That being said, I don’t understand why some people have to criticize every little thing. I have been pretty critical of the Democratic party, myself, as a self identifying Socialist (begrudgingly still vote for them, because the other 1 option is way worse). These pardons are a good thing, though, and I don’t see what the problem is for some people.
Some extreme leftists just turn into such contrarians that they end up sounding the same as right wing fear mongerers. It’s like the political spectrum is a circle, with both of the left and right ends meeting up in a bubble of authoritarianism and hate.
I think the problem is that there’s a very real sense that the party will make the first step the only step if we let them.
100%. Look at all the cities that rolled back progress on changes made to their police departments from the BLM movement as soon as they could.
It will be if the left criticizes biden for not doing more while at the same time praising hamas as a resistance force
It will be if we stop applying pressure while at the same time mindlessly supporting genocide for its own sake.
Same ideals here
A zillion percent. So much so I blocked a ton of keywords of political posts showing up for me here Then I ate a bunch of edibles and wrote an essay about my feelings on the matter.
I think there’s a lot of centrists who scream that all criticism from their left comes from all the way to their right in order to dismiss it.
Well observed. Def feels like that is what’s been ramping up lately
are you genuinely politically impressed by this
at least our complaints are encouraging momentum rather than dusting off our hands and doing a smithers esque very good sir! because he pardoned people with fake charges that should’ve never existed that he and his VP gleefully enforced and implicitly defended for years and years
I completely disagree that your complaints spur a single thing. Every heard the phrase “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar”? Or how about if I get your thoughts on how to rear a child? Do you beat them, complain about their accomplishments constantly, or do you encourage and support them? Encouragement, support, and excitement do more to inspire change than any amount of complaints.
Incrementalism is the only bloodless way to achieve true progress. I embrace it, and celebrate these wins.
That’s not always true. Like the literal case linked, politicians dragging their feet is one of the exceptions to the rule that positive reinforcement works better than loudly stating that you’re not satisfied and why you’re not satisfied.
Politicians aren’t children and shouldn’t be coddled as if they were.
Again, politics is an exception. A politician who is informed of a problem or the inadequacy of their solutions will perform better than one who receives praise and adulation every time they affect a tiny fraction of the positive change within their power.
Fixed that for you. Here’s what Martin Luther King thought of your Incrementalism:
Haha, I do like the study on actual flies. That’s fun. I still think the analogy holds true for human behavior. I hope it should be obvious I’m not condoning never taking anyone to task when it’s deserved, politician or otherwise. I think making it the core of your political movement is complete folly though.
I obviously recognize that politicians are not children. That’s not how analogies work. I also think embracing celebration of wins instead of immediately scolding for not going far enough is not “coddling”, either in the case of children or politicians. I think viewing it as such is part of the problem.
I disagree that MLK Jr was referring to Incrementalism explicitly there, but regardless, I’m not a big fan of pulling out political “saints” to make a point. If you think my underlying point is that we should embrace tradition and stability over all progress, I think that’s an unfair assumption based on what I’ve written here. But do I want my country and society to improve without us all killing each other or breaking every rule that gets in the way of our view? Yeah, I think that’s true for me. And I don’t see anything that MLK advocated for, in ends or means, that disagreed with that notion.
So yeah, I want congress to legalize weed. Hell, I smoke daily and have bought my weed illegally in sketchy parking lots. But I’m going to celebrate this, because some good people who did nothing wrong get to celebrate Christmas at home.
Stop. This isn’t coherent. The MLK quote is irrelevant and out of context. Moderate support by a human, has no parallel to a weak law. They’re different concepts.
Did MLK ever say something like “we’re getting what we wanted but we’re going to bitch about it anyway”?
Well articulated. I’ve given up on this platform. Nobody wants to listen anymore. It’s already failed. Just cheerleading.
“Politically impressed”? Go away.
Momentum is incremental progress towards a goal, this is that. You’ve said nothing convincing to a rational adult. We don’t put flags on our trucks that show him riding a dinosaur with his shirt off, we don’t agree with everything, but it’s general progress and we accept that. We accept AND we push for more.
Grow up.
Thanks! That’s pretty much my entire feelings about the DNC. I live in the most liberal county in America. Obviously I’m not satisfied with federal laws. But whining about Biden while an autocrat is on the doorstep of the WH is pathetic. Wannabe progressive losers on the Internet gaslit by Russian, Chinese and right wing propaganda. A fucking thread about releasing marijuana convictions flooded with Biden is basically the alt right. We have fought for this inch for DECADES.
Fuck off Lemmy. Your holier than thou bullshit is sad and transparent. You’re thinking no more critically or analytically than on Reddit.
For what it’s worth, on Lemmy you have upvotes and the people making these negative comments mostly do not.
I think most people agree with you, we’re just not the ones that repeat it.
Anyway, good on you.
Thanks! It sucks bc it’d be nice to… feel joy? So much doom scrolling, open a positive post… comments make it shitty
I’ve been in jail for weed. Have you?
They don’t usually send teenagers to jail for weed.
Implying poster is an ignorant little shit? (Asking in earnest)
Could be a teen themselves, lol
I asked nicely by asking without asking ;)
Cringe
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I’m sorry you’re forced to be here.
It didn’t suck when I chose to come here.
And it still doesn’t. Not everyone has to fake an orgasm over every incrementalist baby step just because you want them to.
Your comment is what sucks: I’m asking “Why does everyone treat a base hit, the same as a game losing strikeout?” You’re accusing me of saying “Why aren’t you assholes celebrating this base hit like a grand slam?!” Please take a second to think about this without taking it personally. If the analogy is off let me know how so and I’ll try again.
Ok. If you wanna do baseball analogies, let’s. Democrats have a tendency to hit the showers without finishing the game as soon as they hit a single. No amount of rejoicing over the single is gonna get them to the world series.
Hahahaahahha well done. I’m tearing up laughing at how real that is. Once more, I don’t disagree with you. Doesn’t change the fact Lemmy has a shitty attitude and no joy. I have gratitude for this order by Biden. None of the dialogue on this post and this action, is about the legitimate positive impact of the change in policy stance.
Personally, I think people who generalize and complain about Lemmy or Reddit as if they’re some sort of monoliths or “hiveminds” are the ones with the shitty attitude.
There is no joy in Mudville.
That was one of the first books I ever owned. Major lasting impression for some reason.
Are you old enough to remember Billy Crystal talking about baseball stats on a horse, in theaters?
I don’t think you can blame people for being sick of the negativity. It’s everywhere these days. You can’t get away from it. You’d be forgiven for thinking that this smallish move on Biden’s part would be greeted with indifference rather than outright boos, but no, nothing is ever good enough, this is the world we live in.
No. The political racketeers that caused this problem tacitly admitting that they’ve destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives for no reason at all is in no way or shape any kind of “win.”
When they start paying reparations to all the people they’ve victimized through these self-serving laws throughout the decades, then we can start talking about “wins.”