The animating concept behind the Trump campaign will be chaos. This is what history shows us fascists do when given the chance to participate in democratic political campaigns: They create chaos. They do it because chaos works to their advantage. They revel in it, because they can see how profoundly chaos unnerves democratic-republicans—everyone, that is, whether liberal or conservative, who believes in the basic idea of a representative government that is built around neutral rules. Fascism exists to pulverize neutral rules.
So they campaign with explicit intention to instill a sense of chaos. And then comes the topper: They have the audacity to insist that the only solution to the chaos—that they themselves have either grossly exaggerated or in some cases created!—is to vote for them: “You see, there is nothing but chaos afoot, and only we can restore order!”
Don’t forget, both those old men want Genocide in Palestine. I’m hoping more people vote 3rd party this year
…which will only help the fascists and put donnie into power.
Someone in another thread asked me what was the difference between coalition governments and two party systems. This is it. You should never be forced to vote against a candidate, yet that has been the US for the last several elections and will continue to be the US for the foreseeable future. Unless Trump wins, then the last vestiges of democracy in the US will fall pretty hard as Trump and associates continue to stuff cronies into government and finishing what they started during his first presidency while Europe and Asia likely fall to military conflicts.
Why would that accomplish something in 2024 when it didn’t accomplish anything with Nader in 2000 or Perot in 1992? The Democrats and Republicans will really definitely for sure learn their lesson this time for realsies?
Nobody learned any lessons. If they did Trump wouldn’t have been elected let alone be allowed to run again after provoking an insurrection to stay in power. I want to see viable 3rd party challenges that can make for actual change in how this current system work. People need options that don’t completely suck
Who would this viable third party challenger be and why would they be able to make actual change when neither Perot nor Nader could?
Don’t strawman the idea of 3rd party candidates. Just fall in line is not really a healthy mindset if change is desirable. Humans could never fly until they actually tried
Very sadly we just aren’t in a climate for third party candidates to do anything. I would suggest getting involved with ranked choice voting advocacy groups if you really believe in it.
This is the perfect climate for it. Teach the Democrat voters that these Zionist Nazi foreign agents have no place in politics. Either they all join in third party voting or they’ll keep losing to Republicans.
Trump winning again isn’t going to change anything. The “he’s a dictator and never going to step down” fear mongering from last time turned out to be complete BS.
Nothing will ever change if you guys keep acting like scared chickens refusing to vote for anything other than Democrats.
Democrats are the controlled opposition, nothing more.
TRUMP LITERALLY TRIED TO VIOLENTLY OVERTHROW A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT, YOU UNEDUCATED POTATO.
He walked a bunch of morons to the building. The government wasn’t letting him take control.
Even if Jan 6 took over the entire building… It’s a bunch of people inside the building.
The government wasn’t listening to Trumps command to make him god emperor. 4 years passed and he gets kicked out.
I disagree. If Republicans take the presidency, the house, and the senate, I don’t think voting will matter anymore. It’s not so much, “Trump will be a dictator that never steps down,” and more like further erosion of voting rights and democracy to the point that the Republican party will always control all branches of government. The large majority of states have red legislature or governors, and the Republicans are passing laws and trying to get court rulings that would keep them red no matter what (which would ensure control of the entire federal government). In reality, U.S. democracy is so weak now that only a few more laws and court rulings are needed to ensure Republican control of the federal government forever. They are doing it out in the open, “lawfully.” As they say, “this is not a democracy, it’s a republic!”
How do you expect to see a viable third party challenge in the US with our current system? All third parties do is get the major party most opposed to their position elected because it don’t matter jack shit if 51 people vote against Orange Hitler if 3 of them vote ‘Principled Third Party’, leaving only 48 people to vote for the major party candidate opposed to Orange Hitler. Orange Hitler wins 49-48-3, and all 51 people who didn’t want Orange Hitler get stuck with him because 3 didn’t want Grandpa Joe. Leave off with the Rebellion for now, and spend your effort on replacing First Past the Post. Until you do that, all you’ll do is ensure we get Orange Hitler.
I don’t think either of them cares much about the middle east or Israel much. If anything they both look at Benjamin the same way Xi looks at the DPRK guy.
Just old upstarts with bones to pick over