• Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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      If intentionally raping and killing civilians is “legitimate resistance” I feel sorry for this world.

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        If you’re ignoring all the raping and killing by the IDF prior to 10/6, I’m sure this all seems inexplicable.

        Because you’re literally choosing to ignore why it happens.

        Like that old meme of someone putting a stick into the wheel of their own bike then asking why it happened to them after the crash.

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          Citation? My understanding is Israel has prosecuted the few incidents when their soldiers did such a thing, and it certainly is not policy or commonplace.

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              ctrl-f “rape” zero hits. So, not an example of IDF raping and killing. In fact this article is about settlers committing violence, which the police and IDF are now investigating. Did you bother to read it or just linked the first google hit blindly?

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                I said:

                If you’re ignoring all the raping and killing by the IDF prior to 10/6, I’m sure this all seems inexplicable.

                Because you’re literally choosing to ignore why it happens.

                Like that old meme of someone putting a stick into the wheel of their own bike then asking why it happened to them after the crash.

                You said:

                Context?

                So I just had to guess what you wanted

                If you were specifically asking for context of rape by IDF, why didn’t you ask for that?

                To me it feels like you were being intentionally vague so no matter what I provided context for, you could claim that’s not what you meant.

                So maybe next time, if you want specific information, ask for it specifically?

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                  Dude, you and rapidcreek were the ones who set the goalposts to, “raping and killing,” not me. I asked for an example of what you specifically referred to and implied happened regularly before 10/6. Instead you provided an example of killing by someone other than the IDF. You failed to satisfy your own claims. Now you’re blaming me because asking for proof of your own specific claims wasn’t specific enough!

                  Wild.

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      Hamas and PIJ deliberately targeted civilians and committed atrocities. There is no part of those actions that can even remotely be colored as legitimate. It was attempted genocide as the intent was the destruction of all Israelis living near the border and sparking a war to end the existence of Israel.

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        I don’t think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can’t forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn’t exactly a properly trained modern army (I mean those also commit warcrimes and we don’t blame it on leadership unless provable) and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.

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      I mean it’s doing more damage to Israel than a century of peace could, so I don’t think “stupid” applies. Whether it was right to do it when the response would predictably be like this is another story, but due to October 7th support for Israel is now more controversial than ever before.

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      Their attacks on military bases were legitimate, but attacking civilian populations was not and should never be tolerated. Even if you want to say that the settlers are not civilians (at least it has some logic, unlike israel’s excuses), they killed indiscriminately, including tens of children.

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        I don’t think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can’t forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn’t exactly a properly trained modern army and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.