For example, people on Reddit asking redundant questions and give equally redundant or unhelpful answers.
Whenever every ‘What’s the worst show you’ve seen?’ is asked, you’ll get 10,000 “Kardashians” answers, which is just easy karma farming.
If someone posts in a community that’s geared for something like opinions, but someone elects to just go on a full scale rant instead.
Questions like “When you’re sexing some sexy sex, how many sex do you sex?”
Let’s keep the immature high school/sad old desperate man horniness out of here.
Going to a sub of strictly like minded people and posting popular opinions for karma.
“Thanks for the gold” and other “Edit: this blew up” type bullshit.
Any time someone says “obligatory [anything]” I want to scream.
Unpopular opinion: [incredibly popular opinion]
+67,000 upvotes
Oh God I hope award speech edits don’t make it over here
That’s the fate of, ironically, a subreddit called UNPOPULARopinions.
“Beyonce is overrated!” - just throw them the lifetime achievement award for “unpopular”. /s
Because of user karma. Even a fake incentive to say things that everyone likes beyond normal social pressure creates a bunch of people who eagerly say inane shit to get moar doots.
Between that, and just hate, I stayed on that sub for maybe a couple of hours.
This
/s
I used to use /s all the time over at Reddit - especially in political discussions. If I posted sarcastically “advocating” for something, I didn’t want people to misread the post and think I seriously supported that thing.
Normally, I could trust that people would pick up on the sarcasm, but it’s hard over text and there were people actually advocating for the horrible stuff. I didn’t want to be mistaken for one of them, so I’d add a /s. It definitely ruined the joke, but I’d rather do that than have someone think I was racist/sexist/bigoted/etc.
Sometimes the /s is necessary. It’s difficult to convey sarcasm in writing.
Why is posting this ironically any better than posting it unironically?
It’s one of the thing I don’t miss. Using it the “correct way” is supposed to hurt your eyes. /s for the people who don’t get it.
I get the others, but why that last one?
Think of it like this. When humans talk to humans, is any joke ever obligatory? It’s “that’s what she said” any time anything vaguely prurient gets mentioned.
Now imagine if they said “I’m obligated to tell you that’s what she said.” Do you see how they’ve added a tragic undercut to a comment that already wasn’t funny?
People should not do this.
To be frank, I still don’t get it, but I also hardly qualify as a human to begin with.
It’s overrated, you’re doing great
Like memes@lemmy.ml
Probably the biggest one would be needlessly hostile or mocking responses.
Wow, this was my first thought as well. I wonder if it would help to have an etiquette manual with examples of how to disagree respectfully.
Yep. Just blocked someone for that. I will not put up with that behavior here.
Sometimes it’s so hard though… It’s hard to find posts that are just slightly disagreeing… It’s always some asshole talking absolute bullshit or minimizing other people’s suffering… It’s really hard to respectfully disagree with someone who says vile shit.
It’s really hard to respectfully disagree with someone who says vile shit.
Those are called trolls; you’re not supposed to feed them (before or after midnight).
Downvote and move on…
Well, I did say needlessly hostile. I definitely didn’t mean that you should treat actually vile people with velvet gloves.
I’m talking more about the overall culture on Reddit where you’d have someone making some innocuous mistake and getting torn into it for it.
Although, yeah, that does also extend to general disagreements that tend to take on raised hairs where it really isn’t warranted. Like, just of the top of my head, what happens whenever someone discusses the viability of nuclear power.
I think you should change your mentality. Imo, most people want to do good, most people are average intelligence, and most people are about average informed. I’m not extraordinary- so when I disagree with someone I’m recognizing that they probably genuinely want good, they probably know as much as me, and they probably are as smart as me, yet they disagree. Maybe one of us is lacking information, or maybe they have a different philosophy than me. And I can accept that and think they’re wrong without jumping to them being a bad person. Basically, being wrong isn’t evil- and I don’t determine what is right anyways.
That’s a nice attitude. Many discussions would benefit from more people strive for something like that.
How’s about they stop trying to migrate Reddit subs over to Lemmy as communities? That would be nice. I don’t want a Reddit substitute. I want a new thing that puts Reddit entirely in the past. I want a fresh start, not a Reddit clone. Reddit sucked for a lot of reasons. I could go on and on. Stop replying to comments with “this” as well. But, mostly, I’d like to see people from Reddit moving over to here with zero Reddit nostalgia. Say goodbye to your favorite Reddit subs, stop trying to re-create them over here in the Fediverse. Instead, have some imagination and create new, original communities and kick the whole Reddit vibe to the curb for once and for all.
Disagree — while the larger communities tended to get kind of lame, Reddit’s smaller communities were quite worthwhile. I want that to continue, just not on Reddit.
I’m really not talking about smaller communities. I’m talking about the ones that made the Reddit brand. Like AITA, for example. A lot of the smaller communities could be discussion boards anywhere because they’re so small and they are a niche. If there was an Aardvark Lovers sub on Reddit, I’m all in for an Aardvark Lovers sub on Lemmy. Do I really want to see a lot of the same big subs? No. A lot of what I see on YSK is stuff I don’t need to know, don’t care about, didn’t change my life or affect me at all, whether it’s on Reddit or Lemmy. My point, which you did not get, is that I don’t want a Reddit clone.
We definitely need a little bit of the cloning and imagination - to get the niche communities on here - which was what I actually used reddit for mostly. The rest was background noise/scrolling.
Why not recreate subs as communities? Sure assume subs could maybe be consolidated into a single community, but other time subs seemed to act just like communities here. Is there some aspect of communities in not seeing/ understanding? Or is that moreso just your opinion?
I just don’t like the trend toward a Reddit clone. People should be more imaginative. Do we really need a “You Should Know” community? Not useful to me. Come up with something better, re-spin it and improve on it. Really could do without “AITA”. Smaller subs, as I said in a previous reply, are so specific that if they get repeated on Lemmy, it’s not really that they were repeated from Reddit. Like, let’s say a lot of people on Reddit like Aardvarks and had a sub about their devotion to Aardvarks. Having a community for that on Lemmy is not the same thing as having a clone of “You Should Know.” There are certain subs on Reddit that inadvertently contributed to creating a Reddit brand. I could do without those.
Some people want these communities here. There’s nothing stopping you from blocking those communities.
“Just block it” doesn’t solve the problem of the overall tone of the community changing.
Considering YSK has given me valuable information, even about Lemmy itself, I appreciate it.
I agree. If something is sought after that also was on Reddit, it will come up here. No need to force it. I wonder if copy-pasting Reddit subs here would goad people into the same behavior this thread points out many people would like to avoid?
Centralization of anything. Powermods shouldn’t be a thing, and major central instances are a bit sketchy too. No offense to ruud et al.
The problem with power mods is that it’s a thankless job that people do for free. You’re not exactly getting a line of people out the door willing to take up the mantle, so a small group of power users end up taking on more and more.
You’re giving them too much credit. Although some are altruistic, many are greedy power hungry scabs who’s entire life revolves around holding whatever merger power they can over others.
I stepped up once and made a sub for a small niche game I liked when none existed. The devs noticed, reached out me with free copies of the game to give away on the sub and everything. Then some power mods got wind of it, made their own subreddit for the game and completely overwhelmed my little sub though cross promotion via their other subs and with their army of alt accounts too.
Most of them don’t want help, their cries are just to elicit sympathy and get free stuff out of it. Power mods are the scourge of Reddit.
I’d wager it’s the other way around. Most of us are decent people, it’s just a few bad apples that make the rest of us look bad.
And yes, I’ve been a mod for a couple decades on various platforms. On reddit I ran about a dozen smaller subs for years. Almost all the mods on my teams were decent people, only a single person was the exception.
And the problems with reddit are more systemic than “hurry durr power mods r bad.” It’s like having a cough, then blaming your mouth for it. Don’t just look at the guy doing work for free, look at the people getting paid off the backs of free labor.
Reddit is a fairly unique exception to the usual moderator experience. I too used to be an admin on a couple of large forums and IRC servers and I’d say most of those people were decent. Reddit however is plaged with a large number of power mods in many of the medium to larger subs who’s sole purpose in life is to be an online lord of opinion and toxicity over others.
That’s not to say there’s not decent people too but I imagine your experience is squewed a bit if you ran smaller ones.
Well right. The answer is just to have GPT moderate everything in exchange for Bitcoin. /s
You’re definitely right, though. It’s thankless but important and idk what the solution really is, but I think distribution is definitely better than centralization. More mods the merrier even if they’re just there as checks and balances. But that’s definitely getting into politics as well, which I’m not great at.
Something that Lemmy should do is create a better way to handle mod permissions. Reddit’s system of the ranking structure doesn’t really work well. Even something as basic as guilds in most MMO’s would be far better than what we have right now.
That’s already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here’s a list of everything you can’t see if you’re on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world
Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn’t block anything but I don’t think it’s a perfect solution.
That’s already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here’s a list of everything you can’t see if you’re on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world
Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn’t block anything but I don’t think it’s a perfect solution.
That’s already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here’s a list of everything you can’t see if you’re on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world
Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn’t block anything but I don’t think it’s a perfect solution.
Shameless plug for lemm.ee, which no one has defederated from, also the admin has been actively contributing to the codebase and really seems to know his stuff.
Am I misunderstanding what I’m looking at? Because to me it looks like they do, infact, block stuff:
They’ve blocked a few instances that were very spammy. It became necessary, and there was a post notifying about it. However, no one blocks lemm.ee.
Edit: lol, this has changed since yesterday, one instance has blocked us. https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=lemm.ee
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I suspect powermods are more of a myth than reality, but I agree we should be concerned with any instance becoming the defacto site for Lemmy.
I think the best way to avoid this is already in motion (though slowly), which is to have smaller topic instances which house the topic in its entirety and don’t have as many users (for example there is one for Star Trek and one for Android already). This way, regardless of your instance you still have access to the topic.
That’s just my 2 cents, anyways.
Powermods exist, but they are important to how Reddit functions.
They effectively act as a knowledge base on how to moderate large subs. They know how to use a lot of specialty software to moderate large subs and will typically act as a lightning rod for other mods on unpopular decisions.
They also get drunk on power, but Reddit never provided for a better way to control their communities. Of course, technically neither has Lemmy, yet.
That’s quite interesting.
To be honest, I was never active enough to encounter a power mod; but I suppose anyone could go overboard trying to protect their community (even if they wind up doing more harm than good). Without having encountered any power mods, it’s hard for me to say what percentage fell into that category.
In your experience, did the level of power of the mod seem directly proportional to their level of overboardness/corruption?
I apologize if the answer seems obvious. I keep hearing about the power mods, but since I’ve never seen one in action, I would certainly like to learn more.
In your experience, did the level of power of the mod seem directly proportional to their level of overboardness/corruption?
No, but they did have their bad days and being a mod of large groups can be very damaging to a person’s sanity. For those who were kicked off, I saw it less as getting what they deserved and more as them getting the break that they really needed.
Reposting.
There’s two kinds of resposting:
“honest” resposting that happens when the OP hasn’t seen his submission previously posted.
karma-whore resposting that happens when someone wants to get those sweet internet points.
Without karma the second one may not be a problem at all ¯\(ツ)/¯
I’ve gotten pegged by people when I reposted something I knew very well, hadn’t been posted within a year’s timeframe. Like, what’s the problem with that? It hasn’t been seen in so long so yeah it’ll be reposted.
Unlike with your second scenario, I’ve seen posts crop up within the same day and they’re all gratified and praised like as if people hadn’t seen them before when their short attention spans fail to tell them that they did see it before very recently.
Could’ve been different people. This happened all the time with me seeing something for the first time in my life, while comments were full of complaints of it being reposted once a week.
Karma-whoring is especially bad when it’s just all bots doing it. There were many instances where even comments on karma posts were bot generated. Upvotes were much likely bot generated too.
Destroys the human element.
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Reposting
Have an upvote and absolutely meaningless award in form of an icon that I need to pay for first. Kind sir.
Low-effort repetitive comment chains too, preferably.
This
This
^^
Long comment chains of song lyrics where each comment adds another line. They can fuck right off.
Especially the ones where they put in juuuuuust enough effort to make it less funny.
I do enjoy a good pun thread, though.
Slightly altering a repost to make it seem new
Making same joke but worse
And my cutting tool that consists of a heavy edged head fixed to a handle with the edge parallel to the handle
Shutting down questions with any variation “just Google it” It always irks me when someone goes “bro you know Google exists right” like if I wanted to Google it I wouldn’t be asking it here
Sometimes the question isn’t about the answer but about the interaction.
And preserving knowledge in an additional space
Often times google led you there and you get this answer. Love that.
People also forget that Google doesn’t give the same results for everyone. Sure you could use incognito mode, but how many people are going to do that when they’re looking for normal stuff?
I would say circlejerking. The Bean meme was very Reddit like, but maybe it is necessary to build an online community to have posts like that?
I kind of enjoy the circlejerking to an extent. It’s like watching fads come and go in real time, and I like seeing these dumb memes evolve over a week or two before disappearing
Circlejerking is incredibly fucking stupid, but I eat up stupid humour like candy so I personally support it. As long as serious/discussion spaces don’t get contaminated, ofc
The bean thing felt very cringey and forced imo
I’m glad that’s over. I would hate it when whole subreddits would get taken over with an inside joke for days at a time.
maybe it is necessary to build an online community to have posts like that?
I’m pretty sure it is, but that bean meme was a little bit too much. On the other hand I can understand how people on this new platform are craving the feeling of community that memes and insider jokes evoke.
Oh, we aren’t getting away from that here.
Edit: added a word and comma.
Edit 1: wow guys thank you so much.
Edit 2: Rip my inbox.
Edit 3: Ok guys Im going to sleep.
Pointless comment trying to be a contrarian to just add /s at the end.
Shut the fuck up
I appreciate a little footnote to explain what was edited, but yes to all the rest
And if its just a typo? Use strike through, then you can leave your funny typo and correct it
EDIT: i just commented this, right now.
Asking why they’re being downvoted when they clearly have more upvotes. Also, starting a comment with “I’m going to get downvoted for this but”.
The SFW porn network needs not to be called the SFW porn network. No communities named CarPorn or UniformPorn or, worse, AbandonedPorn or AnimalPorn.
I always hated those names!
Having spez as CEO
[BLANKS] of Lemmy: “what’s the sexiest sex you’ve ever sexed?”
THIS
THAT
THEM?
T H E Y
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^ this
edit: take my upvote
Tolerating bigots.
