Even in the “official” (i.e. in Scene-Relevant Magazines) scene in Germany they’re regarded as fascist aligned, just because of their military theme. Yeah, idk man, idk…
The militaristic themes and what I feel is a glorification of war makes me uncomfortable. The use of historical glory from war is so common among fascists and nationalist. And no that doesn’t mean that anyone who likes them are, my son for instance like them. But my own personal choice is not to listen to them even though I think that they play good music.
It’s the same with Rammstein though (before the Scandal about Lindemann I mean) being regarded as catering to Nazis, because they sang crass texts in, well, German. Completely casting aside the subtle criticism of toxic masculine themes and fascist ideology. Even “Deutschland” was critisized as fascist, when it featured a black Germania and was an in your face criticism of Germany’s constant identity crisis and the result being fascism and the holocaust. It’s totally missing the point.
And Sabaton isn’t taking a side when singing about war events, they sing about the super human feats, but sometimes also about distress, people experienced on the battlefield, about great tacticians and warriors in every age of every nation. That is what Power Metal is about 70% of the time. War. Heck.
Churchill agreed with fascists on almost everything lmao. He was a eugenicist:
“I am convinced that the multiplication of the Feeble-Minded, which is proceeding now at an artificial rate, unchecked by any of the old restraints of nature, and actually fostered by civilised conditions, is a terrible danger to the race.” - Winston Churchill
He was a white supremacist that viewed much of the world as inferior races and wanted to uphold racial hierarchies:
“I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.” - Winston Churchill
“I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,” - Winston Churchill
He was an anti-semite that victim-blamed jews for their own persecution, and a zionist because zionism was compatible with anti-semitism in the form of kicking jews out of europe.
“For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution — that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer.” - Winston Churchill
and he told the Italian fascists he’d have supported them if he were Italian:
“If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.” - Winston Churchill
And called Mussolini:
“The description of Mussolini is [very] vivid. No doubt he is one of the most wonderful men of our time.’” - Winston Churchill
That subreddit sucks. They banned Sabaton for being “Nazis”. I don’t think they’ve ever listened to Sabaton.
Sabaton do have a lot of Nazi fans, but we shouldn’t yield ground to them
what? like literally what?
Even in the “official” (i.e. in Scene-Relevant Magazines) scene in Germany they’re regarded as fascist aligned, just because of their military theme. Yeah, idk man, idk…
The militaristic themes and what I feel is a glorification of war makes me uncomfortable. The use of historical glory from war is so common among fascists and nationalist. And no that doesn’t mean that anyone who likes them are, my son for instance like them. But my own personal choice is not to listen to them even though I think that they play good music.
It’s the same with Rammstein though (before the Scandal about Lindemann I mean) being regarded as catering to Nazis, because they sang crass texts in, well, German. Completely casting aside the subtle criticism of toxic masculine themes and fascist ideology. Even “Deutschland” was critisized as fascist, when it featured a black Germania and was an in your face criticism of Germany’s constant identity crisis and the result being fascism and the holocaust. It’s totally missing the point.
And Sabaton isn’t taking a side when singing about war events, they sing about the super human feats, but sometimes also about distress, people experienced on the battlefield, about great tacticians and warriors in every age of every nation. That is what Power Metal is about 70% of the time. War. Heck.
we should really quit playing “who can spot more fascists” and making up excuses to call everyone a nazi/fascist
No, I think they should be called out for who they are.
so not fascists?
I don’t really know. It depends on the case.
Replying just to echo this sentiment.
LOL, what a braindead move
If Sabaton are Nazis, so is Churchill. Fucking hell, what are they smoking? Each others farts?
Churchill agreed with fascists on almost everything lmao. He was a eugenicist:
He was a white supremacist that viewed much of the world as inferior races and wanted to uphold racial hierarchies:
He was an anti-semite that victim-blamed jews for their own persecution, and a zionist because zionism was compatible with anti-semitism in the form of kicking jews out of europe.
and he told the Italian fascists he’d have supported them if he were Italian:
And called Mussolini:
And in 1919 he sent 10,000 troops along with tanks into Glasgow to break striking workers.