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The Russian Federation wants to defederate from the Internet lol
It’s the Russian Defederation now
Good luck with that. Maybe they can join North Korea‘s server.
Nah, the bot farms and hacker groups would still have access to the goal net. It’s just the Russian populace that would get cut off from the rest of us, nothing even a VPN could fix.
A satellite dish can fix some things, but you’d need an uplink still. So to a large extent back to “enemy voices”.
That’s theory, in practice these people are impotent and can’t themselves work in such an environment.
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an cold war era radio free europe
Which is literally what was jokingly called “enemy voices” in USSR, the comment was about this exactly, and yes, I was thinking about the thing you linked.
More like China and Iran
…with hookers, and blackjack?
In fact, forget the Internet.
Кому нужен интернет, когда есть блэкджек, шлюхи и водка?
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Well, now we know who will take a wild ride toward Moscow if the project succeeds.
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Poor goats
Removing russia from the internet would solve many problems for everyone else just not Russia
Reading the article that isn’t the goal.
They are working on controlling access to the wider internet. The goal is to push people off of western services on to ones they control. This is so they can control the information their citizens see
They wouldn’t stop Russian bot farms or hacking.
No it’s not. This is similar to “Russia trying to have a new moon program”. Not happening ever.
The first part may happen, the second part - ahahaha.
I live in Russia.
“Russian trying to build its own LAN” is the way I read it lol. You can’t have “inter” with no other peers.
Large intranets are not a problem (that’s how it was in the beginning in many places, rather fast and unlimited access to LAN resources, chats etc, but slow and expensive to the Internet), it’s just that nothing inside Russia is going to be self-sufficient.
Also every dick without balls in a chair will try to get some control or share or get a bribe or just prevent this from happening so that his relative or something would get the contract.
This wasn’t a factor with the large Internet being accessible (unbeatable competition), but will be with intranets (or a countrywide intranet). Nothing will get built. In the 90s such dicks simply didn’t understand that this is a good business, so they allowed it to grow (still all the major telecom providers that survived had some connections with FSB etc, or so people say).
Also true if you consider the absolutely massive cost and effort it took China to get where they are with their Great Firewall. From what can be gleaned they also have a huge workforce of people monitoring communications as well in order to keep their internet safe for the state and “sanitized”.
They just want to remove their citizens from the internet, not themselves. It’s too useful for disinformation and general fuckery.
Like North Korea, an intranet
Like China
Like Iran
Okay, while I’m not a fan of a fragmented internet, I am a fan of losing all the russian trolls that plague many parts of the internet and online gaming. Counterstrike and similar games will lose their saltiest players too!
Unfortunately I don’t think this means they will stop trolling the actual internet, even if they block it from their own country
If we are not able to stop them from infiltrating our internet (if they leave), what stops us from infiltrating their internet?
Agreed. This is the correct answer.
I am not a fan of millions of Russian citizens being in a walled garden of censorship however
Why?
I don’t wish it for me but what if the Russian people is not against it?
That’s a problem only they can address
How is this a real comment you just made
That’s a problem only they can address
Just to be clear, you just break two russian laws and if we was on smth like VKontacte (russian facebook, bought by government via mailru long time ago) and you was russian citizen in russia, you could be sentenced for prison from 12 to 20 years. I’m skidaddle skadoodle from russia year ago, and that was a best decision in my whole life. Sadly, not every one can leave at this point, cause europe (even when they allowed to get visa) was too expensive for average russian and smth close and more affordable, like China, Kazakhstan, etc., not too much better then russia.
What two Russian laws were broken? Can you elaborate on them a bit?
It will be a bit easier for me, if you can check for yourself via translator. I use firefox TWP extension to translate sites from lang I do not know.
So, there it is, link 1, law that usually used as “appendant” for a case. Any hatespeech against goverment was determent by this law, before specific ones was introduced: link2 for example.
link3 by this law you can also get up to 5 years of prison, that one actually not so often used, but you can check for yourself, there was a list of sued people, cant find it right now. Upd. Found it! Upd1. I didnt notice until now, but site that tracked everyone, who was illegally sentenced to prison, have been liquidated in 2022 apr 5. So, it’s not updated since then and do not have people who was recently got sued.
But that all just child play, cause last couple of days they caught people link4, link5 by this law, also know as treason. Especially funny to hear that about trans dude, who just donated own money to Ukrainians military forces.
Also, if you “mass media” of some sort, or just more popular, then a stone from a road, you got this as a bonus.
List can go on, when I said about “laws that was broken” I meant only first and link4, cause they more often used, if police just need a case.
So, as you can see, Russia is a wonderful country, 10 out of 10, would never live there ever again.
Wow man this is wild.
50 euro can get you free trip to sanatorium for up to 20 years!
Having populations under the thumb of dictators is bad for everyone, even if you live in a relatively free country. Any tools and mechanisms they use to oppress their people are, by extention, bad.
I mean, if they don’t want to look at things they shouldn’t have to.
The problem is those that don’t want to be censored not having a choice.
Reposting my reply to someone else on this topic for visibility:
The Russian scammers are using a ton of proxies and VPNs. Unfortunately, this change will not affect them unless the Russian government completely removes access to the global Internet, and even then, the corruption is so deep that many officials will be selling access to the global Internet to their friends or people with with money.
Russian scammers and social media manipulators are here to stay, likely because they’re largely state run initiatives and they’ll still have access to the global Internet.
What this does is keep the normal Russians insulated from the rest of the world and unable to coordinate outside of their own country, where everything they do is even more tightly controlled by the government.
1- All countries have trolls, in one degree or another.
2- That will also affect the Russian population, who will become even more isolated and powerless.True online game is no fun without someone shouting cyka blyat. Lol
Russian here. This is a super old claim from our government and is a common source of jokes, it’s even called “Cheburnet” (from Cheburashka) colloquially, nobody really treats such claims seriously. Last time Russian government tried to influence internet was when they struggled to ban telegram for several years, and ended up giving up, endorsing it, and moving their official resources to it.
If you can’t beat them, join them.
Almost like they’re literal fascists just like China!
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Oh yes! Only American redditors think that the Russian government has authoritarian tendencies. /s
What does this comment mean?
Just what it says…they deleted their comment.
edit: I now realize that you probably saw the original comment…I don’t.
Americans bad! Garble garble
I’m more concerned that the Luddite politicians in the west will think this is a great idea or the more power hungry ones will see it as a way to take some national sovereignty/control back from the internet–that, right now, enjoys an extra-governmental existence.
Imagine needing a digital passport to join EuroNet®©™ or having to pay a ‘duty’ to surf AussieLan™™©
k bye
I hope they don’t, all the best torrent sites are Russian.
God damn bud, thats the best comment I’ve seen in a long damned time :)
Damn they are going to pull a China
China only blocks most popular websites, they don’t block random personal pages
They do though, some of personal blogs i follow also banned in China; There is a saying in my circle of friends in Mainland China that the blog is “certified by Great Firewall of China” if a person’s blog got blocked
They also monitor internet communications and you can get your account deleted or a police visit if you post something to critical of the state. That’s probably irresistibly attractive to Putin.
In my time working at a hosting provider we would get these very strange requests from the Russian government demanding Russian websites customers had with us be taken down for moral violations. Like a DMCA but for free speech.
Cool, let them, so what?
It would be great, but think about it for a second. Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist, it’s not like they would cease trying to spread misinformation or destabilizing opinions. So that won’t change at all. This would primarily affect the people in the country who would now be unable to see real news or learn things the government doesn’t want them to.
I’m all for giving Russia the finger, but I do fear that it won’t actually make anything better for the rest of us and would just make the people worse off.
“Thinking for a second”? You are posting this on the Web. Thinking is for losers.
Hell yeah get tf out you thinking nerds
Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist
I hope I can block whole ASNs originated from orcs land, so I can block those too. Or at least majority of them.
I mean, if no normal citizen can access the outside internet then we will know for sure that any connection coming out of Russia has to be a bot. So that would make blocking them much more easier.
Because I need outside access to get the hell out of this godforsaken piece of dirt
Millions of Russian ctizens having their internet cut off isn’t a big deal?
Terrible situation, even if you’re in the “well it’s Russia so stuff them” camp. Countries moving to their own Internet is a terrible situation, one we’ve seen before with China and their deep censorship of online media.
