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Apple Has Sold Approximately 200,000 Vision Pro Headsets::Apple has sold upwards of 200,000 Vision Pro headsets, MacRumors has learned from a source with knowledge of Apple’s sales numbers. Apple began…
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I am insanely interested but the apple ecosystem sucks. I use a MacBook for work because it’s that or Windows, but good lord do i hate the closed source walled garden. Linux at home ftw.
MacOS is waaay better for that than iOS though. If you squint a little and try to stick to the CLI, you can pretend it’s Linux.
Or, run docker and have actual Linux.
That docker engine still runs in a small Linux vm.
And the m1, m2, etc chips killed the use of VirtualBox for running full fledged vms :/
UTM will run full fledged linux just fine on Apple Silicon.
Sharing host file systems is still tougher than Virtualbox, but time and adoption will remedy that.
The problem is creating isos and vagrantfiles for the common denominator that can be shared via git and artifactory
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Lol I do that too, but that’s hardly a viable desktop experience on its own.
but that’s hardly a viable desktop experience on its own.
Wat?
I just don’t get it, have you tried using Linux on desktop or are you just repeating standard phrases about it thinking that sounds normal?
I think you might have thought I was saying “Linux doesn’t offer a viable desktop experience.” That is not what I’m saying. I’ve installed Linux distros on all sorts of machines, including Macs, and happily used it as a daily driver.
I’m saying that a Docker container on a Macbook can’t offer a viable desktop experience.
Ah. Yep, likely true.
Lol kay cool :)
macOS isn’t walled…
As someone who has to support MacOS desktop… It functionally is?
Ok sure, it’s not as bad as Android or iOS, but it’s far from “anyone can simply download and run”
TIL Android is a walled garden.
Well, courts seemed to think so in the Epic v Google case
Google Play Store is, kinda, but Android itself is not.
You can literally run anything you want on MacOS
Totally like Counter-Strike
Yes, Counter-Strike is available for MacOS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not according to steam, but regardless there are literally thousands of games that do not run on Macs so still an ignorant statement
I’m just curious of an example of a game or two you play that’s not available on Mac. There’s some newish tech that allows Macs to virtualize/emulate windows tech including DirectX 12. Not coming for you I’m just curious to test those waters.
(I don’t play computer games, sorry for not knowing)
Except, what apple dont want you to run.
Incorrect. Apple does not need to approve or sign any code for it to run on any Mac.
but it’s far from “anyone can simply download and run”
But it is? You can just right click and run any apps from any source on macos.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted on that. It’s factually accurate. You can easily run unsigned code from anywhere on a Mac, unwalled, no problem. I’ve got a SAB / radarr / sonarr / HASS server running on old hardware with a current OS and… it’s great.
Also isn’t Xcode free? So you can literally “simply“ download, develop, and run
How is it “functionally” walled? How is it far from “anyone can simply download and run”? It literally is just that. Anyone can download anything and run any unsigned code. I am baffled by the fact that all the people correcting you are getting downvoted.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE how I can open the screen on my mac and immediately continue where I left off. I love how the entire laptop is made out of metal that doesn’t bend or warp and whose hinge works today just like it did half a decade ago.
I hate everything else about the mac, especially how I have to pay inflated prices for everything. I hate even more about how fucking hard it is to get into the actual nitty gritty system settings on a mac. If I could find a reasonably priced laptop with great build quality and immediate boot, I’d throw my mac in the garbage or sell it off to someone else who would appreciate it much more.
I guess I dont really need to mention I’m poor. If I wasnt Id already have got a second laptop that ran not-macOS
Is that supposed to be a lot? I can’t tell.
Almost $700,000,000 in revenue if you multiply the price by the amount sold.
Aight
that’s a fair bit
Keep in mind they probably spent more than that amount of money on R&D / aqua-hiring.
It’s a lot of money, but still not enough to be a commercially successful product for at least a few more years.
Fair point
Over 700 million? I find that dubious. 700 million is a lot of money isnt it? Thats what I’d expect a tank or a jet to cost in R&D.
R&D for a jet or tank is significantly more. To not throw out nonsense some quick googling told me the R&D just for an upgrade of the Abrams tank (which is old) is $650m and the total R&D of the F22 jet over two decades was $32B…
Well, nice to know somebody lives in such a peaceful part of the planet to not be interested in cost of creating a tank or a jet.
What a strange response …
And you should keep in mind that these things are only sold in the USA at this point
I’d say that’s certainly enough to attract developers given it’s barely out.
Great, now you’re giving the glowies your eyes while looking like an alien
Apple fanboyism is beyond me…
How’s it any different than regular VR sets besides price? I don’t own any apple stuff besides an iPad for my kid, but outside of the absurd cost I don’t see the difference between this and the Index or something.
People like to find any reason to hate on Apple.
And there are plenty of reasons to hate them, but just for releasing a product is very low on the list.
Had HTC or Valve released this, there’d be constant praise on here.
but just for releasing a product is very low on the list.
It’s not about releasing a product it’s about how they go about it ( the marketing, the pricing… Etc ) it’s so manipulative and relies on people not knowing their Digital rights and what they should expect from a Digital product.
The thing is that they abused their monopoly so much, they manipulated people so much, they enslaved people ( both on the Digital realm and the physical one ) so much, that now I and so many awakened people are so critical of everything they do. And it’s understandable why we’re like that, we simply don’t trust them.
Had HTC or Valve released this, there’d be constant praise on here.
This seems like a logical fallacy, we’re talking about Apple here, HTC and Valve can wait for their turn, and you can’t predict what people will say !!
Nah there woulden’t Also Apple makes lifestyle devices that Serge a very different purpose than a gaming headset thats only worn for short times to play games instead of using it to do daily tasks Also bith companies Make vastly More Modification friendly products so even while what they produce may be shit (which would suck and i wouldnt purchase ) people would find ways to fix the issues and could buy what is good and use stuff from different companies if the product sucks because you aren’t locked into a valve or HTC eco system
I never knew so many people would buy an AR headset of apple.
I’m not surprised so many would buy it, but it surprised we reached this number before the first reviews. That a brand new line of product and I’m not even sure what people will use it for 😶
Yea … I personally don’t get it … but people are down for it.
The biggest example I’ve seen people excited about is office work … instead of screens it’s all just a VR. On which I’m expecting to see posts/blogs about why that doesn’t work too well in the long term. I just don’t see a big heavy thing on your face working out as a product. And while Apple may have done a lot of things well here, they haven’t gotten around that essential problem it seems (??) and may have jumped the gun here out of desparation to find new product markets. For me this is a 50/50 as their first major flop in a while (does homepod count?)
Yeah I can’t imagine working with that thing hanging on my face all day. I feel like it will hurt after 30 minutes of continuous wear.
Maybe not hurt by 30m but you’d probably be fatigued.
I don’t see it either… but everyone who’s actually worn one seems to think it’s a huge deal. Including people who own other headsets and never use them.
At this point, I’m willing to assume they’re right. A bit like how phones were terrible until suddenly the technology improved a bit (better touch screens, faster CPUs, faster cellular networks, better cameras, better software…) and suddenly smartphones became awesome.
If Apple is onto something, other brands of headset will match them soon enough. They all have access to the same hardware suppliers, it’s just a matter of putting it together and writing some decent software.
A bit like how phones were terrible until suddenly the technology improved a bit (better touch screens, faster CPUs, faster cellular networks, better cameras, better software…) and suddenly smartphones became awesome.
Is this some Apple-fanboy historical revisionism? Phones were awesome. You could run all those J2EE games, or, say, ICQ clients on them. You could transfer files via IR ports, or use those to control your TV. You could listen to music, use mobile browsers (well, WAP was kinda expensive, but), and with that Web it was enough when you really needed it. Some would even have GPS or something.
Until “smartphones” with touch screens and bullshit OSs and all functionality lacking aside of two-finger-zoom and lickable buttons became common, then they were terrible until everybody got used to them
The first testers already said it was too heavy to use for more than an hour, and certainly could not use this for the entire work day. It’s certainly not a replacement for the current screens and desk.
Meh. Ride a bicycle for an hour, if you never do it, and your ass will hurt for days.
Ride a bicycle once a week for a little while… and it’ll be perfectly comfortable no matter how long you sit on the seat. Your muscles will strengthen as necessary to compensate for the new load.
Or like take office chairs: Sit in one for a few hours, you might start to feel sore. But sit in one for 8 hours a day for like 3 years, and you’ll end up with excellent posture and limber hamstrings from all the practice you’ve gotten.
Pretty sure that’s how it works, anyway.
Our necks are really strong. Far stronger than, for example, our arms or even our shoulders. In cultures that hadn’t invented the wheel, it was commonplace to carry heavy things with your neck. Your neck can carry loads similar to a wheel barrow, comfortably, all day long.
I’d be a lot more worried about eye health than your neck.
Balance bro…
If our necks can handle that, I think they can handle a headset.
That reminds me so much of this old gem.
its weight is around the same as Oculus(Meta) Quest 2 And people have been using Quest 2 for hours, there are even some headstrap+power bank accessories for that too Quest 2 (503g) lasts 2+ hours BoboVR B2 battery (140g) last 2+ hours So people have been using 650g headset for hours normally before
Also, motorcycle helmet weight 1500g Safety helmet Weight 200-600g So I think the weight is not the problem, just they aren’t used to that
No this is wrong the difference between 500g headsets used for short bursts of gaming and 650g headsets requiring additional battery packs makes quite a difference and a lit of the weights influence comes through distribution and needed movement a motorcyclist ist wearing the helmet to do office work and dissent have the weight focused on the front of their face
*AR its argumented reality not virtual reality. And what i heard its not sooo good because of technical restrictions.
Apple’s headset does both AR and VR.
Apple is trying so hard to make these look like goggles you see through that just shows whatever you want wherever you want. So much they put the external display to show your eyes outside.
It’s just a VR headset. AR is just really good pass-through, something most already have but isn’t useful, mixed on the software side. You’re still looking at screens. This isn’t new tech, this is existing tech given the amount of development apple does. Just like everything else they’ve done.
Apple doesn’t make new tech, they make existing tech nice.
I cant see that working so well. But if it is nicely done apple. Probably because of it its heavier.
Porn?
3D VR porn for head tracking is already widely for free all over the internet. Everything is setup and ready, just waiting for the influx of cash. There will be so much porn. So much money.
If I were still confident enough in myself to make erotic content, I would be all in on that right now.
You can do it!
The market is ripe
I thought the same thing when the Apple Watch first released. Smart watches had been around for a while, but they didn’t become prolific until Apple joined the party.
I don’t think Vision is going to be as prolific by any means, but I expect to see it fairly commonly in 5 years. The price will come down, the ecosystem will grow, and it’ll find its niche.
I think smart watches had a few iterations before they found how to sell them. Now it’s mostly marketed around health, which I don’t recall being the case a few years ago?
I’m not even sure what people will use it for
Bragging?
I would bet a lot of these purchases are people who are hoping to build something for it and cash in on the first wave of adopters. I know a lot of developers that have bought one as a business expense … or “business expense”. 
I’m assuming the numbers must include retail stores purchasing the product to sell to their customers too? Or are these direct to consumer numbers only?
I think many scalpers are in there too.
It requires a face scan from your iPhone or MacBook to order one.
I imagine that’s going to make scalping harder?
Edit: not that they can’t, but it wasn’t bots buying it all.
That’s mostly about Light Seal and optical lenses which come in literally thousands of combinations.
You can buy them separately - and you will have to with a scalped (or secondhand) headset.
First reviews I saw on YouTube are quite disappointing. They really ship it with a powerbank and even without it this thing weights about 600 grams. I cannot imagine wearing this thing all day and do work or eh … what the fuck are you gonna do with this besides games and watching videos??
The ecosystem will grow around it. You need to build it first, and then devs will build their stuff on top of the hardware you build.
The ecosystem will grow around it.
Like mold.
I live in So Cal and in a couple weeks there will be a vintage computing fest. Maybe all the haters and people downvoting you could show up and find out what people used to pay $10,000 to put up with. It’s like they want nothing novel to exist.
Games? It doesn’t even have controllers. There’s going to be no HL Alyx on this thing.
The only interesting thing I’ve seen is that Disney have suddenly woken up and decided to put their 3D movies on it, so hopefully they’ll end up on the other millions of VR headsets as well, or at least get released in a format I can steal and watch however I want…
Has anybody seen the movie WALL-E?
It’s probably a bit of a stretch, but I feel like this is somehow the genesis/precursor of the hoverchairs that all the adults use for everything.
(God, I hope not.)
Have you ever seen a group of 20something friends at dinner together where each person was on their phone ignoring the others? At least with the Apple headset they would be deliberate about their intentions.
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Now they can look at their screens and maintain eye contact. Sounds like a win/win to me.
That’s hilarious. Geezers like me will probably assume they are just a group of wholesome and very nearsighted kids.
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I’m impressed. It speaks to the strength of the Apple brand. Meta should benefit if this becomes the next thing despite the differences.
I dont really think it speaks for the strength of the Apple brand, rather, how many fan-boys they have that buy literally a rock with an apple logo on it for $10k. Knowing well they cant use it anywhere except with apple products.
Fanboys who will buy anything Apple… that is what “strength of the brand” /means/
strength of the brand i understand how good their products is. But ok, now i know it!
Yeah “Apple isn’t a strong brand” is an absolutely insane take.
They are one of the strongest brands in human history lol
It’s a very minimalistic and beautiful rock tho
Also a lot of people like being “the first”. Especially with products that might be successful. Currently Apple has a decent reputation in being “the first” with their adaption of new tech. They made the smartphone big, the tablet and the smartwatch (they even specifically made gold ones for these early adopters). All “meh products” before their version. Now people want to be the first with “the next successful tech”. …. And you are going to love it.
It al comes down to emotion really.
Can’t wait for the first music video clip with a famous person wearing the thing. (I actually can wait).
The last real inovation they added was the tablet change my mind. The others are just pr gags or just revisioning the last thing for the 15th time.
Al of them were beter implementations of existing tech, even the tablet. (With beter I mean they changed the market for said tech in their point of time, more accessibility, user friendly etc).
But decrease repairability, (software) freedom. And then the price for that. In the early day, the cheap things were locked down for only be usable on with specific other products, now its the opposite, the more it cost, the more locked down and less products work (well) with it.
Hopefully it will push the AR/VR industry forward.
I’ve been expecting this to be the new iPhone in that I think it has the potential to transform consumer perceptions and the industry. I’m personally waiting for reviews and a hands on test because my eyesight is crap. If it makes it so I can use a non-blurry monitor (my vision isn’t correctable to the point that I can easily read a monitor, and I compensate by using the best and sharpest I can find), it would be life changing for me and easily worth the $4k or whatever the final cost is after taxes and lenses and such.
But, like with iPhone, I think it just gets better from here and that the use cases developed using the high end headset will cascade through the industry.
It will push it in the wrong direction for me. It pushes VR/AR headset to be closed in one ecosystem, low repairability and no software freedom. It should go the other way and a heck lot cheaper than what apple does.
If you have bad eyesight, VR won’t help you. The goggles contain lenses to magnify and project the screens to a virtual distance from your eyeballs similar to a monitor.
You’ll still need your glasses, I’m afraid.
These things somehow look even dumber than Google Glass, but Apple made them, so I guess they are the height of fashion now…
Dystopian future full send
