For me, it’s the social piece that gets me - I have to go get talked at by a series of increasingly greasier dudes until eventually I reach the apex greaseball and he tries to con me out of as much money as he can steal

It’s a terrible system TBH XD

I test drove one… They’re really really nice!

Personally, the used market has collapsed, but that’s also sort of a good thing if you’re shopping used.

If the car will make it to 200,000 miles, you’d expect a used one with 95,000 miles to be worth ~50% of original sales price.

And that’s just the baseline. Some vehicles hold value exceptionally well, like my Toyota Tacoma, the used prices are absurd, it’s worth something crazy like 75%+ what we paid for it in 2021.

Not so for a lot of EVs. I threw 3 examples into the article (Audi e-Tron, Dodge Charger Daytona, and then I guess the Ioniq 6 itself, the sporty ones with a speed markup). It’s newsworthy just because it’s unusual, it’s like the used market is saying something about the vehicle is not worth what the manufacturer thought it was worth on day one.

Pretty sure you’re joking, but I am who I am, so I got to do the math.

Here, Edmunds has a really crisp infographic. By the Edmunds used car depreciation percentages, this Hyundai should be worth about ~65% of what it originally sold for, but instead it is being sold for half as much: https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/how-fast-does-my-new-car-lose-value-infographic.html

Seems weird, right? My working theory is that EVs are being overvalued by the manufacturers with inflated MSRPs, and that the used market sort of reveals fair-market value in an unexpected way.

ICCU issue would be covered by recall if this unit was impacted. Recalls are listed on the Carfax, along with a repaired-already/not-repaired flag.

It has a single unrepaired recall… for a loose charging cap cover :)

I’m not a great automotive journalist, but I do try!

If you wouldn’t pay 1/3rd of MSRP for a car with about 1/2 the lifetime mileage left in it, you’re sort of proving why it’s newsworthy. A used ICE vehicle in the same condition would be snapped up with that pricing. Depreciation like that matters to folks when the product costs ~$40-50K new.

Most folks don’t buy self-driving anything. It’s about 12% for Tesla, and Tesla probably has the highest uptake rate: https://carbuzz.com/12-percent-tesla-owners-choose-full-self-driving/

For buying the base spec cars, Troy Teslike reports on that (i know more about Tesla off the top of my head, been doing research, their new average sale price has been cratering), and Tesla’s most popular models are the cheap ones. That’s important to folks like me because it kills profitability and so is newsworthy.

No judgement, that’s just the cards as they lay. I like knowing things, I’m a bit “special” that way, particularly for statistics.

Yeah, it’s a matter of taste on this vehicle being nice. Honestly? I’d get a lightly used Ioniq 6 for the same price, I like the Charger body shape, but if it’s equally fast, I think the 6 will be more reliable.

1. Ioniq 5 is not 60K. MSRP is currently… what… $35,000? Makes sense it would sell like hotcakes at that price. Maybe you’re thinking the Ioniq 6? That’s a car I like, but it’s not selling great, probably for the exact same reason.
2. Teslas sold for years at that price, but their most popular model is by far and away the Model Y, with its MSRP starting at $40,000. Seeing a trend here? EVs that sell decently tend to be cheap.
3. As for it being notoriously not a good car… that one, depends what you’re looking for! It’s a muscle car. It’s fast and sexy looking and unreliable. Folks who’ve driven one tend to like it, from what I saw. I tend to skip professional reviewers/cartube, it’s hard to tell who’s paying them to say what

You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between MSRP and sales price.

MSRP is centrally or nationally set. Sales price is locally set.

Re-read the headline, you would have to misread what I actually wrote to get the understanding that you got out of it.

You’re using a lot of weasel words for somebody who called me the lazy writer :)

What percent are accurate, do you reckon? Should I update my headline to show multiple EV Chargers for sale at less than 50% of their MSRP, or just the one?

I count 9 at or below 30K, and the 10th is 31K.

https://visor.vin/search/listings?make=Dodge&model=Charger&agnostic=false&fuel_type=Full+Electric&sort=cheapest

LOL.

*Were in service, comrade. Were.

That feels… very responsible?

I mean, we probably shouldn’t concern ourselves TOO much with the profitability of a Google subsidiary and the pet project of the world’s richest man. I think they’ll figure out the monetization side of things. We should be laser focused on safety, which Waymo is certainly doing to a much higher degree than Tesla.

Someone else mentioned that over on Reddit, in a very clapback sort of way. Would you happen to be in Texas? I’m learning all about regional traffic law variations :D

So, my thought here: the stop sign is simply not recognized by the vehicle. It didn’t see the stop sign and decide “legally, I have the right of way.” The stop sign just doesn’t appear on the visualization, cameras failed to register the blinking lit up sign, and thus the computer thought it had the right of way.

As a separate critical fuckup, it only realized the pedestrian was a pedestrian like a millisecond before impact. It wasn’t a good test performance at all.

That sounds like high elvish, that bastard!

who you calling feo ?!

Terrifyingly fast battlefield adaptation. Give it 2 years, and closed-loop (non-remote-controlled) drones will be autonomously targeted via AI. Send it GPS coordinate, then it activates “find a target” mode. I don’t see any way we DON’T get to that outcome eventually.

You’re telling me, sending out untrained conscripts with no drone jammers isn’t a winning play?

Nice! Color me jealous, I drive an ICE truck, I test-drove a Lightning, it was very nice.

Rn, I think it’s something like 8% of new vehicle registrations per year are EVs. It’s about double that in Europe, and triple that in China (14% and 25%, I think).

So, growing, but if it grows much slower, we’ll be at the back of the pack, and I think being in the lead on this will keep our auto industry competitive for global exports, which are a big chunk of our export economy.

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Ope, right you are. I do American auto news, still figuring out how geography works on Fedia. Let me tweak that, make it more obvious.