If Google does push web DRM through, edge will surely adopt it. The best time to switch is now and there will no second best time if they actually do it.
Oh yes. Just because it’s for Microsoft doesn’t change Edges purpose.
Hell, it’s the foremost premise for every newer OS they’ve released, browser included.
There’s a reason Microsoft is just “giving upgrades away for free.”
That’s fine but the point of the post is that you have to use a non chromium browser to avoid wei. Once it’s implemented it’s likely that edge and others will have to implement it too.
It would be a monumental effort for smaller browsers to keep chromium extensions working, while the rest of the ecosystem moves to the new APIs. The only way that could work is if they all fork chromium and base their browsers on this new fork, and even then it’s not guaranteed to develop a real ecosystem of plugins since chrome has more users than all of those other chromium browsers combined.
So yeah you have to use Firefox if you want to avoid that, at least for now.
How is there no way? Yes, there is. Google implements it in the original, websites start requiring it, all of those browsers that didn’t implement it will be denied from access to websites. The end.
Always amazing how much people can know without actually „getting it“. Just use firefox. You don’t get anything for „winning“ on a technicality. Just leave it be.
It’s a fallacy. Why would I stop drinking alcohol, why would I stop smoking, why would I stop sunbathing without protection? Why would I leave the titanic? It is unsinkable. It works for you because you haven’t gotten to the bullet in the chamber yet.
The people here are trying to tell you that it’s not safe and that it will only get worse. And in opposition to your arguments, these facts are based on professional opinions and the known business practices of the companies these products are associated with.
I know you have your opinion but an opinion is not your personality. You can let go of it without ruining your life, again in opposition to keeping it and actually harming yourself, either financially or otherwise.
Why is it so hard to trust people who do this stuff for a living?
@Haui@Cleverdawny, the discrepancy between Chromium and Firefox users is absurd, if there is a common enemy that endangers the existence of both and all the other minority browsers, it is this that in the end ends up that only Chrome, EDGE and Opera exist anymore, because these have no qualms about including this Google Tokens shit.
It is a matter of thinking and acting together against this barbarism, something that Mozilla and Vivaldi are already doing, but more is needed.
Thanks. That is very kind of you to point out. Also, I don’t care about firefox at all. It was just the best I could find at the time and since am watching industry news if something not only marginally better pops up. Hasn‘t yet. As a sysadmin it is my job to keep systems running and ideally not vendor lock the company or myself. That’s why I stay away from google as much as I can.
@Haui, that is the problem, there are a lot of browsers, almost 100, out there, but there are only a few decent browsers.
There is Firefox and Vivaldi, maybe Otter, the three I currently have, but FF and Otther, because of test reasons, due to different engines they use…
Chrome, EDGE and Opera are Spyware, Brave not very trustworth because of shady relations with Cryptocompanies, a lot of other forks, some not so bad, but very weak in the market.
No much left.
@Haui@Cleverdawny, I also use Chromium, Vivaldi since over 7 Years, not because Firefox or Otter Browser, which I also have as second an third one, because of something called business ethics which has Vivaldi, because it fits best my needs, because it’s faster than FF, because it’s de-googled and don’t have third party investors, because it’s a European employees-owned Cooperative, it’s a safe Browser with good privacy, products associated are Mastodon, Vivaldi mail, own userblog, sync…
It ruins the internet. Google controls Chromium, if most browsers are Chromium-based, that means those browsers will eventually get whatever Google implements which means other browsers are forced to implement them or you can get broken websites.
These are not conclusions based on the other half, these are distinct facts. Also, if not for this, why would a chromium fork named “ungoogled chromium” exist?
Lmfao. Bro edge is chromium my guy. You just switched from one skin to another is all. It’s all the same under the hood🤣
They are definitely not all the same, and Vivaldi is a fantastic example of that. Just because it’s Chromium-based doesn’t mean it’s chock full of bullshit and a Chrome reskin, it just means that it most likely is. Vivaldi definitely isn’t.
As Chromium monopolizes the market they’re able to push anti-user updates because sites don’t care. It’s down to Firefox or Chromium-based browsers. Firefox is basically the only thing that’s kept Chrome from straight up removing adblocking capability and the like.
Correct. We would not even be here if corporations could be trusted. Everyone needs to get this somehow. Federation (open source project development is kind of federated as well) is the key. Actually, we‘re having the same oppressive authoritarianism that gave birth to federated states. Looks like a pattern.
Have you tried the one recently implemented in Firefox? I’m not sure about Edge, but it’s much better than Chrome’s. I rarely have to use anything else.
I don’t care what browser you use
Also I like Edge. It works great and Google can kiss my butt
If Google does push web DRM through, edge will surely adopt it. The best time to switch is now and there will no second best time if they actually do it.
Edge is based off chromium, same “engine” that powers Chrome. As most browsers are.
Yeah, it’s basically chrome without the bloat, less spying, and without the prohibition on ad blockers
Are we talking about the same browser?
Edge has all of those things in spades.
It spies for someone else though
Yeah, great alternative /s
Not really.
Oh yes. Just because it’s for Microsoft doesn’t change Edges purpose. Hell, it’s the foremost premise for every newer OS they’ve released, browser included. There’s a reason Microsoft is just “giving upgrades away for free.”
Rage bait?
Don’t need that if you make the OS.
That’s fine but the point of the post is that you have to use a non chromium browser to avoid wei. Once it’s implemented it’s likely that edge and others will have to implement it too.
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It would be a monumental effort for smaller browsers to keep chromium extensions working, while the rest of the ecosystem moves to the new APIs. The only way that could work is if they all fork chromium and base their browsers on this new fork, and even then it’s not guaranteed to develop a real ecosystem of plugins since chrome has more users than all of those other chromium browsers combined.
So yeah you have to use Firefox if you want to avoid that, at least for now.
Thats what you get when you don’t care about single entities controlling the market.
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How is there no way? Yes, there is. Google implements it in the original, websites start requiring it, all of those browsers that didn’t implement it will be denied from access to websites. The end.
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No, actually you are kissing googles but every day.
Lmfao. Bro edge is chromium my guy. You just switched from one skin to another is all. It’s all the same under the hood🤣
Yes. It’s chromium. It’s based on the open source base engine for Chrome. Which means, it has all the benefits of Chrome without the Google bullshit.
Always amazing how much people can know without actually „getting it“. Just use firefox. You don’t get anything for „winning“ on a technicality. Just leave it be.
Why would I want to switch to Firefox? What I’ve got works great for me.
It’s a fallacy. Why would I stop drinking alcohol, why would I stop smoking, why would I stop sunbathing without protection? Why would I leave the titanic? It is unsinkable. It works for you because you haven’t gotten to the bullet in the chamber yet.
The people here are trying to tell you that it’s not safe and that it will only get worse. And in opposition to your arguments, these facts are based on professional opinions and the known business practices of the companies these products are associated with.
I know you have your opinion but an opinion is not your personality. You can let go of it without ruining your life, again in opposition to keeping it and actually harming yourself, either financially or otherwise.
Why is it so hard to trust people who do this stuff for a living?
@Haui @Cleverdawny, the discrepancy between Chromium and Firefox users is absurd, if there is a common enemy that endangers the existence of both and all the other minority browsers, it is this that in the end ends up that only Chrome, EDGE and Opera exist anymore, because these have no qualms about including this Google Tokens shit.
It is a matter of thinking and acting together against this barbarism, something that Mozilla and Vivaldi are already doing, but more is needed.
Thanks. That is very kind of you to point out. Also, I don’t care about firefox at all. It was just the best I could find at the time and since am watching industry news if something not only marginally better pops up. Hasn‘t yet. As a sysadmin it is my job to keep systems running and ideally not vendor lock the company or myself. That’s why I stay away from google as much as I can.
@Haui, that is the problem, there are a lot of browsers, almost 100, out there, but there are only a few decent browsers.
There is Firefox and Vivaldi, maybe Otter, the three I currently have, but FF and Otther, because of test reasons, due to different engines they use…
Chrome, EDGE and Opera are Spyware, Brave not very trustworth because of shady relations with Cryptocompanies, a lot of other forks, some not so bad, but very weak in the market.
No much left.
Really, dude? Using edge is like being a drunk? Lmao ok
I‘m glad you see that there are no good argument against privacy and keeping away from giant corporations.
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@Haui @Cleverdawny, I also use Chromium, Vivaldi since over 7 Years, not because Firefox or Otter Browser, which I also have as second an third one, because of something called business ethics which has Vivaldi, because it fits best my needs, because it’s faster than FF, because it’s de-googled and don’t have third party investors, because it’s a European employees-owned Cooperative, it’s a safe Browser with good privacy, products associated are Mastodon, Vivaldi mail, own userblog, sync…
That sounds pretty awesome. I read about vivaldi pretty often. If the need pops up I will definitely check it out. Thanks :)
It ruins the internet. Google controls Chromium, if most browsers are Chromium-based, that means those browsers will eventually get whatever Google implements which means other browsers are forced to implement them or you can get broken websites.
Chromium is not free of Google’s bullshit. Chromium development is under direct control of Google.
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These are not conclusions based on the other half, these are distinct facts. Also, if not for this, why would a chromium fork named “ungoogled chromium” exist?
from the first sentence on the wikipedia page: Chromium is a free and open-source web browser project, mainly developed and maintained by Google.
They are definitely not all the same, and Vivaldi is a fantastic example of that. Just because it’s Chromium-based doesn’t mean it’s chock full of bullshit and a Chrome reskin, it just means that it most likely is. Vivaldi definitely isn’t.
How big is your truck?
As Chromium monopolizes the market they’re able to push anti-user updates because sites don’t care. It’s down to Firefox or Chromium-based browsers. Firefox is basically the only thing that’s kept Chrome from straight up removing adblocking capability and the like.
Correct. The real problem is allowing monopolies in the first place.
Microsoft is at least as bad as Google and has been for quite a bit longer.
Correct. We would not even be here if corporations could be trusted. Everyone needs to get this somehow. Federation (open source project development is kind of federated as well) is the key. Actually, we‘re having the same oppressive authoritarianism that gave birth to federated states. Looks like a pattern.
Based ai feeder
That’s one of the smaller problems…
Edge does have a nice pdf reader
The proverbial ice cram sticker on the windowless truck.
Have you tried the one recently implemented in Firefox? I’m not sure about Edge, but it’s much better than Chrome’s. I rarely have to use anything else.
Not much, but I don’t see a full markup feature. That’s what I really like about edge.