So what? I was not talking about situations where there is vendor lock-in. I needed Windows for Photoshop in the past, I’m not that dumb.
I’m talking specifically about stuff like ads, privacy, unremovable bloatware, forced logins and such. And I stand by what I said: Linux by its very nature will not have these issues. And its very reasonable for people to recommend it in face of those.
If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
What really bothers me is simping for corporations. I’ve had Windows reset my stuff multiple times to the point I had a script to set it up every update. At this point I decided it would be less work to switch to an OS that would not do this. You said yourself you need a whole procedure, not because the system itself is bad, but because of bullshit they tack on top of it.
I understand Linux will not play nice on all hardware but my Ubuntu install has been perfect for 6 years now (through changing motherboards and cloning to another disk).
I absolutely never said Windows is 100% bad and nobody should use it and Linux is completely perfect. I’ve even been saying the opposite on this thread. I needed to use it at many points.
But if you want to get rid of ads, bullshit like the OP article, Linux is the only sane solution and I stand by it, it is much better to learn a new system than constantly deal with issues on another just because it is what you are used to.
It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Same. I recently built a new machine and considered putting win10 on it instead of 11 due to all the complaints I’ve read. Instead, I just went with 11 to give it a try. After install it took me about an hour, but I had all recommendations, ads, and other annoyances turned off. After that setup, I’ve really liked the OS. Everything just works. Plug in new hardware and it just works. Download some random new software and it just works.
I say this as a software engineer that works with Linux systems daily.
For my personal use, I want my pc to just work. I spend enough time configuring and making things work at my job, I want my home pc to be no hassle and to work with everything I throw at it.
Hopefully a reinstall is the most you ever need and there is no chance Microsoft would ever happen to make changes that shaft you.
Software freedom is about being in control over your own computing. If being in control of your research and the results is important then I think it should be important to you too.
I consider myself like a smoker telling you smoking causes cancer in regards to my use of proprietary software. I am proud of the efforts I’ve made over the years to reduce using proprietary software.
Can’t be in control of your own computing if you can’t do your computing at all. From their responses, it’s clear that Linux is not supported for hardware essential to their workflow. How is this difficult to understand?
There is no misunderstanding there. For free software alternatives to be created you need people to want it and contribute to creating it (not just software). It’s not obvious to me they lament the lack of free software alternatives and their lack of control over their important computing.
Last time I used Linux it came with its own bag of problems like hunting down drivers and incompatibility issues and random bugs that wouldn’t let me use the wifi without digging up solutions in some obscure forum. Maybe it’s not the case anymore but I don’t hear many people lauding it for its competitive UX and ease of use.
Huh, my experience is the exact opposite. On Linux there was zero hunting for drivers of any kind. At all. They were all just included in the Linux kernel. Out of the box drivers for everything I had.
On windows it was: ok first I need my motherboard chipset driver, now I need my WiFi driver, and now my graphics driver, now the driver for this microphone, and finally the driver for this controller.
Each of which I had to search online for the right website, download an installer, run an installer, and delete the installer afterwards.
I only have Linux on my servers at home and at work, as well as on my laptop, and I agree with that, it’s arrogant and getting so damn old. Lemmy has such a boner for Linux and loves shoving it in everyone’s faces.
You do realize that Lemmy is an opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are passionate about Linux? Does it really come as surprise that Lemmy is full of Linux enthusiasts?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary social network instead, maybe one with a red alien logo or with a blue ‘f’…
Being an enthusiast doesn’t mean you have to preach about it everywhere you go. This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever. They’re starting to remind me of religious nuts that always make everything about their religion.
But its not the same person preaching about it everywhere now is it? If you think you’re seeing it everywhere, it’s because this is a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts, so naturally you’ll see a lot of people talking about Linux here.
This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
It’s not the same religious nut preaching about it everywhere, either, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It also doesn’t make it any less annoying to be preached everyday even if you live in a community based around the religion.
It’s also not about people talking about Linux. As a subscriber to Linux memes and Linux gaming communities, I have no issue with people talking about Linux. It’s when they are plugging Linux in an article that has nothing to do with it, especially in a community that is very aware about the existence of Linux, that it simply becomes a circlejerk and an attention seeking behaviour, instead of providing actually useful response to the post.
Everyone here knows Linux is an alternative to Windows, we don’t need the crazy Linux fanboys reminding us by posting stupid jokes about it on non-Linux posts.
If someone needed to be told to know Linux is an alternative to Windows, they definitely can’t do anything with a link showing 25 Linux distros with no guidance on how to choose and what the differences are between distros. That in itself shows that his comment had no actual point than to continue the Linux circlejerk amongst a community that you yourself claim is made by Linux enthusiast. I’m not sure why you’re grasping at straws trying to defend a comment that reinforces a circlejerk. Do you want Lemmy to start acting like Reddit?
But if you think that this is a wider systemic problem which needs to be addressed, then make a meta post and complain to the mods about it. Because simply whinging about it here is not going to help anyone.
I don’t agree this needs any mod action. It’s not a widespread enough issue, nor is it a horrible enough to warrant forcefully removing it. People can make those comments, they just need to know the damage they are doing to Linux desktop adoption by perpetuating the circlejerk and putting people off the Linux community.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
Or maybe people think tuxangelicalists are annoying
I hope the tuxangelicalists also don’t complain about the lack of Linux desktop marketshare since they constantly remind us of why it’s so unpleasant to ask for help with Linux issues with all the elitism going around.
You do realize you’re posting this on a opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are enthusiastic about this stuff?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary platform instead, maybe one with a red alien logo…
You’re either being intellectually disingenuous, or you’re new to Lemmy. Every goddamn thread about Windows here ends up littered with “jokes” about how great Linux is, and how shitty Windows is.
And the goddamn distros can’t even support a fingerprint reader nor a nvidia card, or forces you to do some terminal voodoo to make the thing work, or crashes without warning after an update.
It’s Nvidia that has poor support for some standards, not the other way around.
And it’s not like people don’t run into issues, probably more often, with Windows update. The last time I updated Windows my audio got fucked and even rolling back the update and reinstalling audio drivers didn’t work. I had to reinstall windows entirely, which takes a bizarrely long time.
And yeah, IMO, it’s far better than Windows, and it’s not even close. But it’s just a tool. Use Windows if you want to use Windows.
Windows fanboys will justify anything just because it locks them in and forces them to use it. People with stockholm syndrone justifying terrible anti-consumer decisions by Microsoft are the ones really exhausting me.
Use it if you want to, or need to, but don’t be mad at the people actually trying to come up with and improve the solutions we have.
Funny, this is my main gripe with Windows. It doesn’t just work in the same way Linux does. I get an update, it takes 5-25 seconds and everything still works, every time.
I get a Windows update and I’m filled with dread crossing my fingers everything still works when it finally reboots, and that it hasn’t “accidentally” reset all the telemetry settings I turned off.
Plus not having to hunt for drivers and use weird installers for software that I have to hunt for online. Some windows listening to my dark mode preference and others not, etc etc.
To me, my PC is just a tool. I don’t care what runs on it, as long as it works reliably, is intuitive, looks cohesive, and doesn’t get in my way. Windows unfortunately doesn’t hold up to that.
Have you considered that the reason people complain about Windows Update is because Windows Update is frustrating to use? Or is that too complex a thought?
Even people who have zero intention of ever switching generally find updates on windows far more frustrating than they do on say iOS or Android.
Because Windows Update is frustrating to use.
Honestly the lengths people will go to to simp for their $2.75tn buddy is hilarious. We’re saying Windows update is good now?
But aside from that, even if you downloaded an ISO then cracked it, you’re still paying for it in the same way you pay for Google services - with your personal information.
When did I say that? I implied it’s only natural for there to be a lot of Linux enthusiasts, in a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise seeing these sort of posts everywhere.
I eat food sometimes, too… But like… This is getting so old.
We get it, you like food. Now let people talk about eating human shit without constantly talking about what you put in your mouth.
We just want to eat human shit in peace. Stop telling us there’s a better way, we get it, you don’t like human shit and you think we should be eating food instead. Stop preaching about it.
Here is a link to the uninstaller.
You Linux supremecists are so edgy…
I use Linux sometimes, too… But like… This shit is getting so old.
We get it, you like Linux. Now let people talk about other platforms without constantly talking about your platform.
Because Linux, by its very nature, is the solution to these kinds problems, but if you insist on suffering through using Windows thats on you.
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So what? I was not talking about situations where there is vendor lock-in. I needed Windows for Photoshop in the past, I’m not that dumb.
I’m talking specifically about stuff like ads, privacy, unremovable bloatware, forced logins and such. And I stand by what I said: Linux by its very nature will not have these issues. And its very reasonable for people to recommend it in face of those.
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If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
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What really bothers me is simping for corporations. I’ve had Windows reset my stuff multiple times to the point I had a script to set it up every update. At this point I decided it would be less work to switch to an OS that would not do this. You said yourself you need a whole procedure, not because the system itself is bad, but because of bullshit they tack on top of it.
I understand Linux will not play nice on all hardware but my Ubuntu install has been perfect for 6 years now (through changing motherboards and cloning to another disk).
I absolutely never said Windows is 100% bad and nobody should use it and Linux is completely perfect. I’ve even been saying the opposite on this thread. I needed to use it at many points.
But if you want to get rid of ads, bullshit like the OP article, Linux is the only sane solution and I stand by it, it is much better to learn a new system than constantly deal with issues on another just because it is what you are used to.
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It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Same. I recently built a new machine and considered putting win10 on it instead of 11 due to all the complaints I’ve read. Instead, I just went with 11 to give it a try. After install it took me about an hour, but I had all recommendations, ads, and other annoyances turned off. After that setup, I’ve really liked the OS. Everything just works. Plug in new hardware and it just works. Download some random new software and it just works.
I say this as a software engineer that works with Linux systems daily.
For my personal use, I want my pc to just work. I spend enough time configuring and making things work at my job, I want my home pc to be no hassle and to work with everything I throw at it.
For this, windows is, by far, the best.
Photoshop works in Fedora ;)
I got it to work on Ubuntu back then, but it was annoying as hell.
Why Fedora exactly? Genuinely curious!
I hope you’ve got backup solution if Windows ever prevents you from working.
It must be important if you’re prioritizing it over your software freedom…
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Hopefully a reinstall is the most you ever need and there is no chance Microsoft would ever happen to make changes that shaft you.
Software freedom is about being in control over your own computing. If being in control of your research and the results is important then I think it should be important to you too.
I consider myself like a smoker telling you smoking causes cancer in regards to my use of proprietary software. I am proud of the efforts I’ve made over the years to reduce using proprietary software.
Can’t be in control of your own computing if you can’t do your computing at all. From their responses, it’s clear that Linux is not supported for hardware essential to their workflow. How is this difficult to understand?
There is no misunderstanding there. For free software alternatives to be created you need people to want it and contribute to creating it (not just software). It’s not obvious to me they lament the lack of free software alternatives and their lack of control over their important computing.
Last time I used Linux it came with its own bag of problems like hunting down drivers and incompatibility issues and random bugs that wouldn’t let me use the wifi without digging up solutions in some obscure forum. Maybe it’s not the case anymore but I don’t hear many people lauding it for its competitive UX and ease of use.
GNOME’s UX has come a looong way in just like 3 years.
I assume the same is true for KDE now that Valve is investing money in it.
I hope so! Nothing against Linux but it did feel a bit like a raw steak at times 😅
I understand how it can feel that way when you are not used to Linux. I felt the same way in the beggining when I was learning it.
Out of all mainstream desktops, GNOME is the only one which dares to create a new workflow which is simple yet very powerful
familiarity of kde is good too.
and its just getting better and better too!
Huh, my experience is the exact opposite. On Linux there was zero hunting for drivers of any kind. At all. They were all just included in the Linux kernel. Out of the box drivers for everything I had.
On windows it was: ok first I need my motherboard chipset driver, now I need my WiFi driver, and now my graphics driver, now the driver for this microphone, and finally the driver for this controller.
Each of which I had to search online for the right website, download an installer, run an installer, and delete the installer afterwards.
To me, that was a much more clunky experience.
I only have Linux on my servers at home and at work, as well as on my laptop, and I agree with that, it’s arrogant and getting so damn old. Lemmy has such a boner for Linux and loves shoving it in everyone’s faces.
You do realize that Lemmy is an opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are passionate about Linux? Does it really come as surprise that Lemmy is full of Linux enthusiasts?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary social network instead, maybe one with a red alien logo or with a blue ‘f’…
Being an enthusiast doesn’t mean you have to preach about it everywhere you go. This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever. They’re starting to remind me of religious nuts that always make everything about their religion.
But its not the same person preaching about it everywhere now is it? If you think you’re seeing it everywhere, it’s because this is a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts, so naturally you’ll see a lot of people talking about Linux here.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
It’s not the same religious nut preaching about it everywhere, either, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It also doesn’t make it any less annoying to be preached everyday even if you live in a community based around the religion.
It’s also not about people talking about Linux. As a subscriber to Linux memes and Linux gaming communities, I have no issue with people talking about Linux. It’s when they are plugging Linux in an article that has nothing to do with it, especially in a community that is very aware about the existence of Linux, that it simply becomes a circlejerk and an attention seeking behaviour, instead of providing actually useful response to the post.
Everyone here knows Linux is an alternative to Windows, we don’t need the crazy Linux fanboys reminding us by posting stupid jokes about it on non-Linux posts.
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If someone needed to be told to know Linux is an alternative to Windows, they definitely can’t do anything with a link showing 25 Linux distros with no guidance on how to choose and what the differences are between distros. That in itself shows that his comment had no actual point than to continue the Linux circlejerk amongst a community that you yourself claim is made by Linux enthusiast. I’m not sure why you’re grasping at straws trying to defend a comment that reinforces a circlejerk. Do you want Lemmy to start acting like Reddit?
I don’t agree this needs any mod action. It’s not a widespread enough issue, nor is it a horrible enough to warrant forcefully removing it. People can make those comments, they just need to know the damage they are doing to Linux desktop adoption by perpetuating the circlejerk and putting people off the Linux community.
Or maybe people think tuxangelicalists are annoying
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I hope the tuxangelicalists also don’t complain about the lack of Linux desktop marketshare since they constantly remind us of why it’s so unpleasant to ask for help with Linux issues with all the elitism going around.
Ohhhhh silly me, I must’ve missed the part of sign up process where it said 'you must tolerate linux fans no matter how annoying they are '.
You do realize you’re posting this on a opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are enthusiastic about this stuff?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary platform instead, maybe one with a red alien logo…
Honestly, your bitching was far more intrusive than this unharmful joke. That joke was actually funny.
You’re either being intellectually disingenuous, or you’re new to Lemmy. Every goddamn thread about Windows here ends up littered with “jokes” about how great Linux is, and how shitty Windows is.
It’s beyond exhausting at this point.
And the goddamn distros can’t even support a fingerprint reader nor a nvidia card, or forces you to do some terminal voodoo to make the thing work, or crashes without warning after an update.
But somehow that’s better than Windows. -_-
to be fair its not Linux that doesnt support nvidia, its the other way around.
and it works fine if you dont have more specific use cases.
It’s Nvidia that has poor support for some standards, not the other way around.
And it’s not like people don’t run into issues, probably more often, with Windows update. The last time I updated Windows my audio got fucked and even rolling back the update and reinstalling audio drivers didn’t work. I had to reinstall windows entirely, which takes a bizarrely long time.
And yeah, IMO, it’s far better than Windows, and it’s not even close. But it’s just a tool. Use Windows if you want to use Windows.
Windows fanboys will justify anything just because it locks them in and forces them to use it. People with stockholm syndrone justifying terrible anti-consumer decisions by Microsoft are the ones really exhausting me.
Use it if you want to, or need to, but don’t be mad at the people actually trying to come up with and improve the solutions we have.
I just want a PC that works and linux ain’t it hun
Funny how my Linux PC works flawlessly without intervention then.
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Funny, this is my main gripe with Windows. It doesn’t just work in the same way Linux does. I get an update, it takes 5-25 seconds and everything still works, every time.
I get a Windows update and I’m filled with dread crossing my fingers everything still works when it finally reboots, and that it hasn’t “accidentally” reset all the telemetry settings I turned off.
Plus not having to hunt for drivers and use weird installers for software that I have to hunt for online. Some windows listening to my dark mode preference and others not, etc etc.
To me, my PC is just a tool. I don’t care what runs on it, as long as it works reliably, is intuitive, looks cohesive, and doesn’t get in my way. Windows unfortunately doesn’t hold up to that.
Again with the WU psychosis, get new material
Have you considered that the reason people complain about Windows Update is because Windows Update is frustrating to use? Or is that too complex a thought?
Even people who have zero intention of ever switching generally find updates on windows far more frustrating than they do on say iOS or Android.
Because Windows Update is frustrating to use.
Honestly the lengths people will go to to simp for their $2.75tn buddy is hilarious. We’re saying Windows update is good now?
Too bad?
I don’t get why you’re offended by someone jokingly pushing Linux?
To be fair, there are so many opportunities to make these jokes because of how Microsoft behaves that maybe that’s the real issue here?
It doesn’t look like they’re getting offended to me.
Imagine you have a friend that you see daily. Every time you see them, they make the same joke. How quickly do you think you’ll get tired of the joke?
Everyone here makes the joke only once. But you have many friends here!
Stop driving into things, Jerry, and we’ll stop making jokes about how you hit them!
I mean… Linux does solve the problem described. Why pay for a platform with the problem when the solution is free?
You think i’m paying for windows?
Let just say you don’t pay… with money.
Most people who think Windows came with the computer for free don’t know that the licence cost is baked into the total cost.
You’ve never bought a laptop with Windows?
But aside from that, even if you downloaded an ISO then cracked it, you’re still paying for it in the same way you pay for Google services - with your personal information.
In Soviet Russia, Windows crash you!
Another fosstard
People like you make me so fucking embarrassed to be a Linux user.
So you’re claiming that all of Lemmy is a Linux only community?
When did I say that? I implied it’s only natural for there to be a lot of Linux enthusiasts, in a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise seeing these sort of posts everywhere.
Come on now, Windows is technology too. It’s valid to be a Windows peasant here, this isn’t Linuxcirclejerk.
You food supremecists are so edgy…
I eat food sometimes, too… But like… This is getting so old.
We get it, you like food. Now let people talk about eating human shit without constantly talking about what you put in your mouth.
We just want to eat human shit in peace. Stop telling us there’s a better way, we get it, you don’t like human shit and you think we should be eating food instead. Stop preaching about it.
Was half-expecting Rick Astley ngl
Beat me to it!