• @DarkMessiah@lemmy.world
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    2010 months ago

    Not a horrible idea if you have solid, simple, and actionable plans to replace them with robust, simple, and effective public transport options. Otherwise… yeah, a bit too far.

    • NaibofTabr
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      1010 months ago

      Uh huh, and what about material delivery to stores, restaurants, &etc in the city? What about postal service?

      We should absolutely invest more in public transit, but light rail and buses are not logistics solutions.

      • @Aidinthel@reddthat.com
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        1810 months ago

        Trains carry cargo all the time. I don’t think it’s too crazy to suggest light rail be adapted to do the same.

        • NaibofTabr
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          310 months ago

          And we’re going to build rails to every store, restaurant, and other business that needs cargo pickup & delivery? And run a train to each of them, every day? And you think that would end up being more efficient/environmentally friendly than trucks?

            • NaibofTabr
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              110 months ago

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram

              The main route went from the logistics center in Friedrichstadt via Postplatz and Grunaer Straße to Straßburger Platz and finally on to the factory.

              This went from one logistics center to one production facility. It is insane to think that this could be a scalable solution.

              • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                1110 months ago

                Wow, a train line goes defunct in a country that heavily subsidizes car infrastructure and actively works against other modes of transportation. I’m shocked, really. Shocked.

                • NaibofTabr
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                  110 months ago

                  I didn’t say anything about it going defunct. That has to be one of stupidest attempts at a straw man I’ve ever seen.

                  I pointed out that it only ever carried material from one location to one other location, and that such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.

                  Did you even read my comment?

                  • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                    710 months ago

                    Mh, why do you think it never grew beyond “one line serving one location”? 🤔

                    We did have more extensive tram services transporting goods in the past: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Straßenbahn_in_Hannover#Güterstraßenbahn

                    You know, before this country became the world’s largest car exporter and started to dismantle its train network…

                    such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.

                    Lol, nobody is talking about entire cities, but do go ahead talking about strawmen.

        • Hyperreality
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          10 months ago

          Sorry. Good luck transporting a washing machine or full kitchen on public transport.

          • @homoludens@feddit.de
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            1610 months ago

            Delivery of a full kitchen is not something that makes up the majority of traffic. I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t use a van for the “last mile” in such edge cases.

            Even washing machines can be delivered by cargo bike/trike though.

            • NaibofTabr
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              10 months ago

              How would you ‘use a van’ if the roads are “ripped out completely”?

              • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                1510 months ago

                You do understand nobody is talking about ripping out all roads everywhere, right?

                Right?

                • NaibofTabr
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                  10 months ago

                  It’s literally the title.

                  I can’t even understand down voting this, unless you’re delusional.

                  • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                    10 months ago

                    Oh, you’re basing your opinions on fact-twisting headlines of right-wing “newspapers”, instead of, you know, reading the actual article where even they have to paint the picture just a liiittle bit differently.

                    You do understand the difference between “removing roads completely” and “removing all roads”, right?

          • Daniel Quinn
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            1210 months ago

            Have a look at the Netherlands friend. I’ve seen people towing dishwashers behind their bikes more than once while living there.

          • @chocoladisco@feddit.de
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            110 months ago

            You joke, but I have done this. Wheelchair accesible trams are awesome for this. Put appliance on hand truck walk it into the tram. No heavy lifting required like when loading it in a car.

              • @chocoladisco@feddit.de
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                110 months ago

                A cheap logistics hand truck carries weights up to 250kg. If you need more it become a bit annoying because you need to switch to using OSB Boards with casters.

                Source: My life and helping friends move.

                Bonus: Hand trucks are really convenient to transport full size kegs and CO2 bottles to parties by tram.

      • zeluko
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        510 months ago

        Who said we were abandoning all of them?
        Street vs Road.

        You can totally have delivery vehicles for stores on a street, but no other cars are allowed.

        • NaibofTabr
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          110 months ago

          This is different from “ripped out completely”, which is what is proposed in the article. So the answer to your question is that Dr. Fuller said that.

          • zeluko
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            310 months ago

            Apparently you didnt read past the headline and dont want to understand the content… welp, cant help ya there.

            • NaibofTabr
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              10 months ago

              “We should start changing our cities and actually start thinking about ripping out road infrastructure and turning them into green spaces or green transport corridors."

              You mean that ‘rest of the article’?