You see, we don’t want to actually do anything about the border, we just want to yell about it. — Rs
Republicans for the last four years and more:
Republicans since, at the very latest, Obama took office.
Technically they don’t give a shit, mostly. They just want their voters to be mad.
Of course. Hawley is a traitorous coward.
Republicans would rather tank the country than pass good law under a Democratic president.
And they have on more than one occasion. It blows my mind that anyone could think of them as the fiscally responsible party. Then again, they also pretend to be the party of morality, so that all tracks.
They are fiscally conservative in name only.
This just happened in my state when Democrats wanted to provide breakfast and lunch for students. A Republican said “But we can hire more teachers!”
Someone asked, “So you would support a bill using this money to hire more teachers?”
You can imagine his response.
These assholes use these excuses to get in the news and get in sound bites. They should never be trusted by themselves.
They are fiscally conservative in name only.
Just look at the deficit/surplus numbers, by party. It’s plain as day.
The party of fiscal responsibility loves to crow about irresponsible spending until they’re the ones doing it.
If the Dems agreed to a Republican law, the Republicans would probably filibuster their own law.
That is what happened here. Republicans came to the table and said “we will give you Ukraine aid if we get a border deal”. Biden undercut progressives and started making offers that Republicans wanted for Ukraine aid and to put his name on the border deal. So Republicans took their ball and went home.
Oh, well it wouldn’t be the first time.
https://theweek.com/articles/469675/mitch-mcconnells-amazing-filibuster-bill
Right, the entire point was to make their fake border crisis seem legitimate by placing it in the same rhetorical box as a genocide in Ukraine. And super Saiyan Biden called their bluff like a boss.
There was an amendment to Obamacare that was almost exactly that. It was hilarious, except for how they spun it for the next decade.
"Senator, is this deal dead, effectively?” Fox News’s Laura Ingraham asked Hawley Thursday evening.
“I hope so,” Hawley said. “It should be. If it’s not dead yet it should be dead. There is absolutely no reason to agree to policies that would further enable Joe Biden.”
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You’d destroy multiple industries that result on exploiting illegal migrants, and low cost labor from those with green cards. Hospitality, sanitation, meat packing, construction, agriculture, etc all would come up floaters
The whiplash from average Americans would be incredible. We’ve priced in domestic exploitation into several industries, and US consumers have come to demand it, and more.
so what I’m hearing is that America doesn’t run on Dunkin’, it runs on exploitation
Always has.
I’d bet that at many points in the supply chain, Dunkin runs on exploitation.
oh my
It’s a good point, but at the same time this isn’t indefinitely sustainable. Something has to give here. It’s morally reprehensible that we exploit the desperate and vulnerable for cheap labor. It’s economically dangerous that so many of our domestic industries are reliant on an illegal sub-minimum wage workforce. Both situations are breeding grounds for worse abuses like human trafficking and embezzlement.
I don’t have a solution to this problem, but kicking the can down the road isn’t a solution and doesn’t seem like a healthy choice.
If we shut these down domestically the product will just get imported. Do you think other countries aren’t exploiting their workers
See the problem is that I like cheap produce. The companies can afford to sell cheap produce and pay better though they won’t. So they abuse this type of labor.
The problem isn’t that you like cheap produce.
The problem is that corporations profit off of the exploitation. Your price could remain the same if the company was willing to accept less profit.
They would still be rich. Just not as rich.
And that’s a problem with almost every company in existence.
Maybe we need profit caps put into law.
That kind of system existed in post-WWII USA, when a high school graduate could work full time to afford a house while being the single income for a big family.
We called it ‘taxes’.
Taxes were never meant to be profit caps and they clearly aren’t an effective way to stop the ruling class. They’re what the ruling class used to use to break people; nowadays they just don’t give people enough money in the first place.
Fuck em.
I understand the point you’re making, but it’s still a massive waste of money to police a made up crisis.
It would make way more sense to document these people and give them a tax ID number to allow them to work legally. This would force employers to pay them at least minimum wage, provide worker protection measures, and pay payroll tax, and would allow citizens to compete with immigrants on their own merits. I suspect that immigrants would continue doing the exact same kinds of jobs they currently do, because they’re mostly jobs Americans don’t want, but without the level of exploitation.
As I said, this “crisis” is a made up one, one that’s composed entirely of racism. If it was a real crisis, and not political theater, the Rs wouldn’t want to wait nearly a full year to address it.
That’s a great way to enable fascists like ICE who’d just exploit such policies to throw Hispanic people into concentration camps. They’ve been doing it since Obama. True facts, look it up
They’ve been doing it since FDR.
I don’t think ICE has been around since FDR.
There’s been a federal agency with the tasking since the 1940’s. So yeah not ICE specifically.
ICE literally does that and people lose their fucking minds.
No they don’t. They deport the guy working for his family and fine the employer. Imagine the opposite situation where working illegally was a fine and employing illegal workers was losing your business license.
That’s how they punish underage drinking. It’s a massive issue for bars, and a small issue for the kid. Consequently, no bars serve underage kids. It works.
You forgot the part where we give work permits and union training seminars freely.
You’re absolutely right about controlling demand versus supply in a capitalist system. You can’t block supply. It’s never worked.
Here is the key part the whole article is about:
“Senator, is this deal dead, effectively?” Fox News’s Laura Ingraham asked Hawley Thursday evening.
“I hope so,” Hawley said. “It should be. If it’s not dead yet it should be dead. There is absolutely no reason to agree to policies that would further enable Joe Biden.”
Because they are complete shitstains?
They are so weak. There was bipartisanship until Trumpler criticized the bill. The GOP has no spine.
Honestly if the RNC had just put its foot down in 2016 and said “no, we will not be associated with Trump because the man is a fucking idiot” they would have eaten the loss in 2016, but would probably be in a much better place electorally now.
They needed to stop the tea party in 2010. This is all follow on from that.
They still probably world have won in 2016. Every person in the DNC is blind to how much everyone, everyone outside the party absofuckinglutely hates Hillary Clinton.
Why? Because of Fox smears?
It goes back to the 90s with her. They (republicans if practically every strip) hated that she would have the audacity to be anything other than a dinner host while First Lady. She is a massively polarizing figure and, literally, polls worse among center (by US standards) and right voters than “nobody”.
So basically typical GOP / chucklefuck misogyny.
Fuck those people with rusty axes.
I think Hillary would’ve made a good president. Ok she’s a real backroom political mover and possibly more of a hawk than I’d like but nevertheless.
typical GOP / chucklefuck misogyny Yes, but sooooo much more. They don’t just hate her for being a woman, they hate her for being a successful woman who overtly mocks them (not the deplorables comment - it’s the way she outmaneuvered them and pointed out their genuine policy errors in the past 2.5 decades of her political life). If she had been male they would hate her with the fire of a thousand suns. That she is a woman just makes them go apoplectic on top.
TBH, she’s much closer to my (moderate) political ideology than those (here on Lemmy) who favor a far more liberal leader and I agree she would have made a good president.
Well sure. They want to campaign on it. It’s not as if they really want to end the availability of undocumented labor, too… definitely don’t want that. I mean, which industries depend on the 8-10 million people working in the US illegally? Their goal is to campaign on it, and keep immigrants marginalized so their buddies can keep screwing legal workers and taking advantage of undocumented ones.
This isn’t a surprise if you’ve listened to conservatives talk amongst themselves.
The GOP wants to rule, not govern.
Could it be because they’re not genuinely interested in governing? I’m not gonna read the article because I already know the answer. Fuck the GOP.
Could it be because they’re not genuinely interested in governing?
The Border Crisis is predicated on US Senators shrugging their shoulders and insisting there’s nothing to be done. This helps defer more power to the courts (where they were more than eager to govern by stacking the bench with far-right white nationalists) and to the border states (where guys like Abbot can poke a drowned kid with a stick under a giant “Mission Accomplished” banner to look tough on crime).
As soon as Trump is back in the White House, you can guarantee they’ll produce all sorts of sadistic legislative reforms that they can ram through a flimsy Democrat opposition.
Like when he spilled the GOP strategy to use the repeal of Roe to further sort voters and get a GOP advantage in the Electoral College: https://www.businessinsider.com/josh-hawley-overturning-roe-v-wade-help-republicans-electoral-college-2022-6
What a dumbass.
The republican traitor swine must be dealt with in the harshest possible manner allowable by law.
oh you sheeple of the law… when will you realize that nothing will ever change if we continue to work within the bounds of the law?
i agree with your sentiment and emotion, but we gotta start playing dirty if we ever want anything other than this dystopia.
Is it legally possible to recall all of Congress and Senate and demand all new representatives?
The US doesn’t have dissolution of congress, no
Get out and vote.
That’s not a solution and it’s lazy.
The GOP in general seem to be very ineffective civil servants.
Their purpose is to destroy the government. They have repeatedly said this since the 1980’s.
Can we stop being surprised?
They killed it? That’s odd, Schumer just announced they’ll be voting on it next Wednesday!
Yeah, the vote is going ahead but unfortunately
Speaker Mike Johnson reportedly warned it would be “dead on arrival.”
MAGA “Moses Orange Ass Kisser” Mike Johnson reportedly warned it would be “dead on arrival.” With offer any reason why, other than stinky orange said so
It would make Biden look good, which is all the reason they need to kill it.
It’s possible, likely even, that House Republicans will kill the Border Deal but as of today the headline is misleading. It’s not even been voted on in the Senate yet, let alone “killed” by the House.
