• sammer510 [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      I suggest you literally read anything. You haven’t even read easy stuff like Blackshirts and Reds if you really believe that fascists don’t like capitalism.

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          “They took our jobs” isn’t opposition to capitalism it is knee jerk reactionary sentiment. No one who says that actually subscribes to anti capitalist ideology.

          You need to go back and read Blackshirts and Reds and learn about how fascism ultimately serves the interests of capital. You clearly lack the knowledge and ideological framework to understand this issue.

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          That’s not opposing capitalism, that’s opposing globalization. Also that is the outcry fascists sometimes capitalize from, not a policy. Look at how the fascists went from parroting that right wing populist line, to empowering corporations. Mottos are not ideologies, corporatism is WAY more vital to fascism than complaining about immigrants taking jobs

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              This is an incoherent analysis based entirely on liberal ideology, particularly an acceptance of the libertarian notion that ‘neoliberal capitalism’ is a separable entity from ‘capitalism as described by Marx, imperialism as described by Lenin, super-imperialism described by Hudson’. This is not the case and does not bear itself out historically, as described in great detail by Parenti in multiple well-cited books.

              To the extent that neoliberal capitalism is a different entity it is a different entity BECAUSE it normalized and made permanent the corporatization and privatization of German fascism. Cultural flattening and globalization ARE NOT historically unique to capitalism nor to the neoliberal project. If anything, they precedes them by at least 100 years or more, and capitalism COMES OUT of the cultural flattening of nationalism, and is not it’s root cause. And because of that, capitalism is inextricably tied to the maintenance and perpetuation of the national project.

              Hand-in-hand with the capitalist’s at-home national project is to insistence that others are too culturally different to ever find solidarity with and that we must spend all of our time and energy preserving an celebrating those cultural differences. Anthropologists and sociologists should be studying supply chains and monetary theory, not if the town of Anstead spins right three times when they salt their pork. But now, the only proper cosmopolitan is the bourgeoisie, while workers are told that they must represent their national interests.

              Fuck you and your liberal aesthetic argument. You cannot convince the liberal bourgeoisie to be socialists or actually approach socialism or communism, because as soon as you get close they will immediately use fascism and fascists to suppress you. One is the tool of the other. You especially cannot do it if you continue to vote for them even when they are the most anti-labor and genocidal president in your lifetime.

              They know where their interests lie. Do you?

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                Anthropologists and sociologists should be studying supply chains and monetary theory, not if the town of Anstead spins right three times when they salt their pork. But now, the only proper cosmopolitan is the bourgeoisie, while workers are told that they must represent their national interests.

                Could you give me some literature on this? It is a fascinating point.

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                  There is some level of literature on the concept of ‘cosmopolitanism’ and ‘ethics of race’, but it’s basically an under-developed concept in philosophy. My personal opinion of anthropologists and sociologists is my own, developed by a wide array of readings and personal experiences, and I literally do not have the time to actually write a book or article on it, even though that might be something I do in the future.

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          Please read actual historians and / or theory like the already mentioned Blackshirts and reds. Fascism is definitionally capitalism in decay and the capitalist’s violent protection of the remnants against any emerging threats. To suggest that fascists are not capitalists is completely ludicrous.

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      The entire point of fascism is class collaboration/subordination for the benefit of the capital owners, to suppress labor and stabilize falling profit rates

      It’s precisely the reason Hitler was backed to the hilt by German industrialists

      Brain-dead liberals have always confused certain protectionist measures used by fascist regimes as “anti-capitalist” because many of them have been completely blinkered by the exploded neoclassical conception of capital accumulation, while they ignore the unprecedented privatization campaigns of every fascist regime

      Liberals are forced to believe in a fantasy version of capitalism and then stare in disbelief when the fascists turn out to be more efficient capitalists than they ever were