hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout today, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! Thanks!

  • @TranceReduction@beehaw.org
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    11610 months ago

    It’s disappointing seeing people cave so quickly when under the slightest inconvenience. It doesn’t matter for me, though - I’m not going back. If anything, this has helped me realize the unhealthy relationship I had with Reddit and was a good way to break that.

    To new and better things.

    • aard
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      8710 months ago

      this has helped me realize the unhealthy relationship I had with Reddit and was a good way to break that

      Exactly, now that I have an unhealthy relationship with Lemmy I can’t put effort into the one with Reddit.

    • TheRtRevKaiserM
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      1210 months ago

      I’m probably going to delete my account or at least cut back drastically on my usage, but I’m currently the only active mod for a small fan sub for an old fantasy book series. I don’t really want to leave that sub unmoderated but I’ll have to find another user willing to take on mod duties before I feel alright abandoning Reddit altogether.

      • PenguinCoder
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        1510 months ago

        only active mod for a small fan sub

        That attachment is what they (Reddit) are counting on. It’s your community, not Reddits; and they don’t care. But you do… while admirable in itself, its being used against you.

        • TheRtRevKaiserM
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          910 months ago

          I don’t disagree with you, but I still feel a certain responsibility to that community. I’d like to start divesting myself of that responsibility, but it’ll take time if I don’t want to just abandon it.

          • HannahBecz
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            610 months ago

            From what I understand of how this whole system works here - you can just host/create your own instance for that community. Make some mod post on your subreddit about how you’re migrating the community, if anyone can help host it if you’re unable, and if they want to follow over they can.

            • TheRtRevKaiserM
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              410 months ago

              Yeah it’s an idea for sure. I responded to @curiosityLynx a minute ago that I’m really burnt out on that particular series so I think it’s probably time for me to find somebody else to take it on and just move on myself.

          • @curiosityLynx@beehaw.org
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            How about you make a lemmy community or a kbin magazine and officially migrate your subreddit there? (including making a stickied announcement in the subreddit)

            Since you’re its only mod, that should be possible and even easier to do than migrating a bigger subreddit like /r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk

            • TheRtRevKaiserM
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              310 months ago

              I’ve considered it, but honestly I’m kind of tired of it lol. It’s an older series and so all of the arguments/discussions are just kind of retread endlessly, and I’m not as into it as I used to be. Also there are discussions about making a tv show and I wouldn’t mind being as far away as possible once that kicks into high gear. I saw what r/WoT was like when that show came out and I don’t want any part of moderating that crap.

              • @JaymesRS@midwest.social
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                210 months ago

                Which series? My guess is Riftwar based on that description, but I’m curious if you’re open to sharing.

                • TheRtRevKaiserM
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                  110 months ago

                  Not Riftwar, although I did love those books and even had a rogue on Ultima Online named “Jimmy the Hand”.

                  It’s a series called “The Chronicles of Amber” by Roger Zelazny. Great series but not without its flaws and never super huge in the public consciousness.

      • @patchymoose@beehaw.org
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        910 months ago

        Yeah, the niche subreddits are what I really hate to leave behind. I could care less about leaving r/politics, r/AskReddit, etc. But I’ll miss r/EtrianOdyssey (niche video game series).

        But we’ll just have to create these communities on Lemmy. I’m in it for the long haul.

      • @Luvs2Spuj@beehaw.org
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        310 months ago

        As the only mod, would you be able to export the data to lemmy and inform the users that they can continue posting here? I have no idea, genuinely just interested.

        • TheRtRevKaiserM
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          110 months ago

          I have no idea whether that would be possible, but I’m also not sure I would want to do it. It would be one thing to encourage folks to move but I don’t own that subreddit (I’m not even the founder or the head mod, just the only one that actively moderates) and I wouldn’t want to grab other folks’ posts and comments and put them elsewhere.

          • @Luvs2Spuj@beehaw.org
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            210 months ago

            That makes sense. It sounds like you are the right person to be that moderator, so I tip my hat.

      • @BobQuasit@beehaw.org
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        110 months ago

        …an old fantasy book series…

        (My ears prick up)

        An old fantasy series? I’m big time into old fantasy series. May I ask what it was?

            • TheRtRevKaiserM
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              110 months ago

              Incredibly, I have not. It’s on my TBR list, I’ve just never gotten to it. Pretty bad for somebody moderating a Zelazny fan sub but it is what it is, lol

              • @BobQuasit@beehaw.org
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                110 months ago

                It’s his magnum opus. Enjoyable as Amber is (and I wish he’d written more), Lord of Light is absolutely incredible. Although a lot of people get confused by the flashback that starts with Chapter 2 and lasts for more than half of the book.

      • @LedgeDrop@beehaw.org
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        110 months ago

        Malicious Compliant Deep Thoughts : You could create a group here on Lemmy, start topics and discussions there. Then link those Lemmy posts on Reddit. The Reddit Users will figure it out. :)

    • LeighM
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      810 months ago

      Well, give young people some credit, though. Mostly they’re the ones that have been closing their subs and migrating here and working to develop FOSS software like Lemmy. I say this as someone in my late 30s.

    • @mustyOrange@beehaw.org
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      810 months ago

      It won’t be the last time reddit fucks up. And everytime they do, more people will come this way, especially as this place gets better and better

    • Ghostalmedia
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      610 months ago

      I wonder how much of this caving in was, because a lot of lame mods were worried about losing their past time and or control over large communities.

      There are a lot of little Lukashenkos out there that will immediately cave to a bully as long as they’re allowed to remain in control.

    • @worfamerryman@beehaw.org
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      210 months ago

      I’m happy to stay on lemmy. Just like mastodon, it had a boy that will fade but then I think it will continue to grow.

      • @mobyduck648@beehaw.org
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        1010 months ago

        Reddit’s always had inept management, Spez in particular can’t help but antagonise his users with a daft unforced error every couple of years. We don’t need to ‘win’, we don’t even need to actively do anything but exist. As long as nice places like this exist and Reddit does too the Reddit’s inevitable cockups will provide a small but steady trickle of users.

    • @that_one_guy@beehaw.org
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      210 months ago

      It’s disappointing seeing people cave so quickly when under the slightest inconvenience.

      The whole protest was slacktivism of the highest order. Minimum effort, minimum results.

  • @asukii@lemmy.world
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    5310 months ago

    Advertisers are starting to take notice, it seems. Gotta keep the blackout running longer to hit em in their pocketbooks - 2 days they can weather out, indefinite dark they cannot. It’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning, a protest with a clearly defined end date has no teeth.

    • Valen
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      2610 months ago

      I’ve heard about Reddit removing a mod from a popular subreddit, then turning the subreddit public (sorry, don’t have the reference). They can always stop the blackout by force. But once they do that, those mods will have definite incentive to start the communities in the fediverse.

        • @ChemicalRascal@lemmy.world
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          110 months ago

          That seemed to be a situation where the head mod was going against the wishes of the other mods. Not sure how I feel about it, personally, but it’s not quite as simple as “Spez made the subreddit open against the wishes of everyone involved”.

      • @nyander@beehaw.org
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        310 months ago

        It was done because the head mod (who barely contributed anything) showed up out of the blue and decided to enroll the sub into the protest. The rest of the mod team was not in agreement with it.

      • @chaos@beehaw.org
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        110 months ago

        For now at least, the only instances of that have been absent mods who swoop in and start taking action. They’ve had a rule about that since KotakuInAction had that happen where the founder of the sub came back and wanted to shut it down (for good reason, that place sucks). Reddit admins undid it and kicked the founder out to preserve the community.

  • @BobQuasit@beehaw.org
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    I just posted this in response to a frenetic YouTube video that claimed that the Reddit protest “failed”:

    Get serious. It was NEVER going to stop the IPO. But it has accomplished something even more important: it has decapitated Reddit. A lot of the most passionate and involved users are gone, and more of them have at least tried Fediverse alternatives like Lemmy and kbin. Have you checked those sites out? They’re FLOODED with Reddit refugees, and the communities there are booming! They’re active and vibrant, with great discussions and content.

    What’s more, they have hope. The members there aren’t subject to some psychotic money-grubbing corporation; if any one server goes authoritarian, there’s nothing stopping the users there from just moving to another. They’ll have the same access and functionality. And frankly, the odds of a Fediverse server going corporate and having an IPO are infinitesimal. It simply wouldn’t be worth it, particularly since there’s no way they could stop other instances from defederating with them.

    So the outcome of the blackout has been twofold: First, Reddit has lost some of it’s best. The quality of content there is diminished, and will continue to diminish as poor quality drives users away. And second, the Fediverse alternatives have been given a huge boost. Almost all users of Reddit are now aware of the ugly truths that underlie that service, and that there are alternatives out there.

    That’s not failure. That’s the seeds of success.

    And by the way, I think that’s one thing we can all do to help bring down Reddit: mention the great alternatives out there as much as possible to spread the word. The more Redditors who learn that they don’t have to be a product to be sold by the pound for the stockholder class, the quicker Reddit will fall!

    • @lamentforicarus@beehaw.org
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      1910 months ago

      I also bet there are people who haven’t already left that will abandon ship once the TPAs stop working. It’s not going to be fun getting stuck with their mediocre app, particularly since they seem to be testing the end of the mobile site.

      • @zurohki@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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        2310 months ago

        This. For a lot of people Reddit isn’t reddit.com, it’s Apollo or Relay or Sync or Reddit Is Fun.

        After the apps stop working, they won’t be able to keep using the thing they’re used to. They can’t just go back, they’ll have to switch to something different.

        • @herosquad@beehaw.org
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          1010 months ago

          I stopped using Twitter when they pulled this API crap, and as a Boost user, I won’t use reddit when I can no longer use Boost.

          Currently using Jerboa for beehaw and I’m liking it so far, and the dev seems really responsive to user requests. Excited for the communities to get some traction moving forward!

        • ReMikeAble
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          910 months ago

          That’s me, avid Relay Pro user, I’m not going back to the pos native app. Loving Lemmy and the Fediverse! Also, kinda psyched to see it grow.

        • BrooklynMan
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          510 months ago

          not toot my own horn, but the 3d party app community for lemmy is quite active right about now… wink-wink

          the community has risen to meet demand, and it’s a very exciting time right now!

      • @westheimer
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        210 months ago

        I imagine there’s a meaningful amount of users that only exist in the context of the third party apps, that will disappear after the apps lose support. I’m sure most of them are lurkers, but that’s still something.

  • MrEUser
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    4410 months ago

    I don’t know how to make this not about me. So, I’m just going to say it. Friday I closed a 13 year old Reddit account. Saturday and Sunday I brought up multiple Fediverse servers. I now have Mastodon, Lemmy, PixelFed, Owncast, and NextCloud working. I have yet to get Element Chat and PeerTube running. They will happen by Friday. When I opened my Owncast I killed my Twitch account. When PeerTube is up and running I drop YouTube. My point is, I want to thank Reddit for providing me the motivation to leave corporate social media and switch to my own platform. I’m not going back… I’m going forward.

  • jaydurst
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    4110 months ago

    Still holding strong and staying here. Might as well get it over with though, as once RIF is dead, I wouldn’t be browsing reddit anyway.

    • Cylinsier
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      1610 months ago

      Stayed off Reddit completely for the last 2 days but checked back in in a couple of the smaller subs I browse today. But I have found I am checking back in here on Lemmy more even now that all the Reddit subs I usually post in are back open. This really feels like a viable alternative to me.

      • @that_one_guy@beehaw.org
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        210 months ago

        I’ve also stayed off reddit so far, but doing so taught me something. I’m definitely addicted to scrolling reddit on my phone. The number of times I just opened reddit on reflex and then caught myself and killed the app was insane. Even if there’s a miracle and reddit changes their ways, this is something I should probably address.

    • @mobyduck648@beehaw.org
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      I decided to jump before I was pushed and binned off Apollo the weekend before the strikes started. This place existing made that jump a lot easier I think!

      • Deebster
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        610 months ago

        I imagine the devs have stats on uninstalls - I wonder what they show.

        • @BobQuasit@beehaw.org
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          510 months ago

          I had the official Reddit app because there was one function that it could do that my 3P couldn’t. But I decided the hell with it and uninstalled it yesterday. I assume I’m not the only one.

          And meanwhile, I can’t say that I’m holding strong. I still have no desire to go back to Reddit. No strength is required!

          • Joe B
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            @mobyduck648 @Deebster Who cares what Reddit thinks anymore. IF they do bring back third-party apps I will use Reddit, Mastodon and lemmy regardless. Reddit messed up big time

    • DarkBug
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      1210 months ago

      I tried the official app a few times before the api announcement and can’t stand it. I’m supporting the blackout and if RIF dies, I will be done with reddit for good. I will miss the mass amount of knowledge.

    • @LemmyAtem@beehaw.org
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      910 months ago

      Hi welcome. Have fun with it! It’s new, it’s exciting. It’s less developed but that just leaves tons of room for growth and polish! Reddit was over saturated and stagnant. Embrace the relatively empty pond!

  • @Anon2971@beehaw.org
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    It’s disappointing to see some of the larger subreddits going public with a ‘what’s the point?’ tone. Most are staying private, but some aren’t. As if Reddit doesn’t exist solely because of its user generated content. If enough subs permanently shut down they’ll have to reconsider their API position.

    I decided to write a message to subreddits I’ve been lurking for years via messaging the mods saying how vitally important it is for subreddits to protest right now, at this critical time, before it’s too late. I’ve politely implored them to continue the protest saying how these API changes with have a long-lasting, permanent impact on Reddit as a platform for the worse.

    I’d suggest you guys come up with your own letter template and message the mods of those subreddits in polite form. It’d be great if we can convince these exceptions to go private again. I also understand some moderators may be afraid Reddit will just replace them with mods willing to reopen the sub, so I added a section saying it they’re treated like that, Reddit don’t deserve their time and maybe they should consider rebuilding elsewhere if that happens. Its their prime chance to stand up for the right thing right now for the future of Reddit.

    I used Reddark to determine which subreddits to contact. I’d say only contact hobbyist ones such as sports rather than more politically-inclined ones like Ukraine that have a fair reason to stay open. Also some subreddits have made poll posts asking their users if they should go private like Gaming and NotTheOnion, so please don’t message those ones.

    • jay
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      I agree with everything you’ve said and that it is disappointing. I do think there is merit in continuing to protest and send a message.

      However, I don’t think there’s anything that can move the Reddit leadership team back. Because even if they went back on this API issue, the continued process of the degradation of reddit as a service has been a long term thing. It seems to me that the Fidelity downgrade of their evaluation has pushed them even further down this path.

      I truly am done with them. Even if they come back from all this, what’s left there? Somebody else pointed out that over the year, generally interactions became more unfriendly on reddit, spam and changes to the algorithm increasingly pushed away from the platform we all loved.

      I see this situation and how it was so exacerbated by Spez and the leaderships absolute failure as a blessing. There’s a lot of alternative ways to spend time on the internet, to connect and learn. Beehaw has been really good to me the last couple days, I am excited for a future here and ready to not contribute toward the mess that reddit has become anymore.

      • @sarsaparilyptus@beehaw.org
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        1710 months ago

        It’s become increasingly clear that Steve and his cronies are desperately trying to get Reddit to its IPO with value intact so they can cash out and leave someone else holding the bag. As I’ve said elsewhere, I wouldn’t be surprised if he and others end up shorting Reddit.

        • The Cuuuuube
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          If he does, that’s insider trading and wildly illegal. Not saying he won’t, just that the ethical thing to do would be to treat Reddit as a Conman’s scheme and withdraw any value you’ve put into it sooner rather than later. Reduce the IPO value by not going back

      • @Anon2971@beehaw.org
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        610 months ago

        I’m excited to see how these new platforms flourish too. Even if Reddit do eventually concede and they drop their API pricing, the writing is on the wall. They’ve shown how little they care about the community that uses their platform. I’ll likely be leaving Reddit permanently, but I want to know I’ve at least done everything in my power as a long-time user to protest their awful decisions.

    • GadgeteerZA
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      What the big subreddits don’t realise is, on Fediverse many of their subreddits have not yet been recreated. If they don’t do it, someone else will and then they come in as just contributors. So may be in their interests to actually establish a presence, and gauge how much take-up they get.

      • @feetongrass@beehaw.org
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        510 months ago

        May be they already realize it, meaning, they saw all the popular communities already created here, and would much rather stay there as mods.

        • @Bear83170@beehaw.org
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          210 months ago

          I think so too but I don’t see why they wouldn’t want to come on the fediverse nonetheless. They can participate but not as mods. Once they build a reputation on the fediverse then of course they could apply for mod.

    • @GhostMagician@beehaw.org
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      510 months ago

      I was wondering if I should delete all or leave some of my posts, but seeing subs I subscribed to come back was what made me decide to just wipe everything. Can’t do anything about the mods or what other users do, so felt like deleting stuff was the one tiny bit of control I had over the situation. Which itself is nothing, but at least it’s something.

        • @hadrian@beehaw.org
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          Note that it might take a while though, so if anyone wants to get this done before the 30th (so you can use API-based tools to wipe comments), request it ASAP.

          I requested…maybe two weeks or so ago? And it only came through today. So get to it y’all

          • @coldredlight@beehaw.orgM
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            210 months ago

            I used Power Delete Suite to overwrite my comments and posts via API, it includes an option to export everything from your account to a CSV before it takes any destructive actions, and it’s super easy to use.

            • @GhostMagician@beehaw.org
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              It was cool seeing years of comments get wiped. I could see why some people would purge their history every year even before the reddit controversy. It’s cleansing in a way.

      • @Anon2971@beehaw.org
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        210 months ago

        I’m planning to wait and see what happens on June 30th before I do that. Over the years I’ve made some educational posts on music production that I still occasionally get messages about, so I’ll be manually going through my content to decide what to preserve and what to delete. I’m glad I’m not someone who decided to post a lot over my many years of Redditing or I would be in for a long dig lol (if you’ll pardon the pun RIP Digg).

    • db0
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      310 months ago

      I have started calling the mods of those subreddit “Scabs”

  • @TauZero@mander.xyz
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    I am fascinated by how the experience of other people can be completely different from mine, alien even. We can look at the same situation and come up with exactly opposite conclusions. I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of the other, figure out how they think. The behavior of u/spez is abhorent to me, but here’s how I would imagine he thinks about the community list of demands:

    <AH mode>

    Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.

    The costs are reasonable and down to earth! We’ve been extremely generous. Our prices are in line with industry standards. The app devs are greedy and do not want to pay. In fact they are so greedy they are choosing to shut down and go out of business rather than pay their fair share! Also some apps are ahem inefficient. Those devs could stay profitable if they just code their apps better.

    Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary

    The apps had plenty of time. We’ve been perfectly transparent. The API changes were announced months in advance. The first bills do not arrive until months from now in August, and are not due for another month after that. The apps have enough time if they are serious about working with us.

    Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.

    Rate limits are for the free tier. The paid tier is a flat fee per 1000 API calls without rate limit.

    Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.

    We are always working on new and exciting features! We have so many mod tools in the pipeline. All the hottest features will appear in our native app first, which is where we can best ensure everything stays compatible. Have you tried using that?

    Lack of communication. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?

    We are always in communication with our communities! We’ve been discussing these API changes for months, collecting community input, and interacting with our users in AMAs!

    You say you’ve offered exemptions for “non-commercial” and “accessibility apps.” Despite r/blind’s best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected.

    We communicate with developers on an app-by-app basis. We have already confirmed the inclusion of two accessibility apps! We support accessibility for blind people!

    Parity in access to NSFW content

    Cannot be done for lawyercat reasons.

    Now that we have addressed all of the listed community concerns, we are looking forward to welcoming all of you back to reddit!

    </AH mode>

    P.S. the fact that u/spez specifically stated that “old.reddit.com isn’t going anywhere” confirms in my mind that old.reddit will be gone within 9 months. Screenshot this.