• NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
    122·
    9 months ago

    This feels like it’s meant to be a joke, but it’s not.

    Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir says the provision of humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza endangers Israeli soldiers and must stop after more than 100 Palestinians were reported killed while trying to get aid in Gaza City.

    “Today it was proven that the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza is not only madness while our hostages are held in the Strip … but also endangers IDF soldiers,” Ben-Gvir said, calling the deliveries “oxygen to Hamas”.

    The incident is “another clear reason why we must stop transferring this aid”, he wrote on X.

    Ben-Gvir also said Israel must “provide complete support to our heroic fighters operating in Gaza, who acted excellently against a Gazan mob that tried to harm them”.

    • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
      24·
      9 months ago

      It is crazy to starve people to procced calling them barbars for being desperate. But here they (the fasicst government) are, using this exact argument to justify a massacre.

    • Kühe sind toll@feddit.de
      18·
      9 months ago

      This logic is absurd. We killed 100 people, therefore the aid has to stop, because it allows us to kill civilians.

      Have you considered not killing civilians?

    • Kühe sind toll@feddit.de
      6·
      9 months ago

      This logic is absurd. We killed 100 people, therefore the aid has to stop, because it allows us to kill civilians.

      Have you considered not killing civilians?

  • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    79·
    9 months ago

    Remember the beginning of Black Hawk Down when the warlord’s men machine gun the people trying to get bags of grain? And the Black Hawk crew couldn’t engage?

    Yeah, it’s like that, except we’re paying the warlord’s army this time.

    • RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com
      61·
      9 months ago

      We told you you shouldn’t use those bullets on civilians. Here, have some more. But this time no civilian casualties, ok? You’ve done it again, haven’t you? Here, have some bombs.

      • paholg@lemm.eeEnglish
        26·
        9 months ago

        I’m not sure we even bother to suggest they don’t use them on civilians.

        • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
          6·
          9 months ago

          Publicy they do suggest it, then deny it has been done, then “utter concern”, then suggest it again. Meanwhile sending all the weapons they can.

  • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
    11·
    9 months ago

    Post like this basically give the election to trump. Stop the madness.

    Edit: Jesus fuck! Do I really need to write /s on this sub? A point of clarity for those who doubt. Biden has failed to use his political power to stop a heinous act. We can’t always stop horrors everywhere, but here we can actively do something. Frankly, we should be delivering aid directly under the guidance on UNRA.

    Ceasefire now. Free Palestine.

    • EndlessApollo@lemmy.world
      7·
      9 months ago

      What gives the election to trump is biden’s inability to not support genocide. Trying to get people to be quiet about it only makes me wanna vote for him even less than I already do, since he’s clearly the pro-genocide candidate

        • The Menemen!@lemmy.world
          6·
          9 months ago

          He won’t be better. But as a non american I can understand why someone would feel voting a genocide enabler is just impossible. Here in Germany it is a somewhat comparable situation (but at least I can give my vote for a minority party, that might actually get into parliament).

    • EndlessApollo@lemmy.world
      6·
      9 months ago

      I almost feel like a dummy for falling for this cx I wouldn’t have a few months ago, but lately I’ve seen a lot of liberals share this sentiment genuinely. The idea that any criticism of biden or things he supports is russian or chinese propaganda trying to get trump elected. It seems to have calmed down recently, but a few weeks ago I saw someone saying pro palestinian protestors were russian spies who should be shot

    • Aceticon@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      You gotta be kidding me!

      All it takes is for one man, Joe Biden, to act differently in this one thing, to pretty much guarantee that Trump loses.

      Yet instead of that one man stopping support for Fascists and their Genocide, we get endless parroting if this, frankly disgusting, propaganda that the “only way” is for millions of people to swallow their principles and humanitarianism and endorse a guy activelly supporting a Genocide.

      Why should millions yield in their unwillingness to have mass murder activelly supported in their name and with their taxes all just so that one guy, one single guy, can continue using the resources he has been entrusted with by voters to activelly support mass murder?!

      • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
        1·
        9 months ago

        I don’t understand this comment after my edit. It was sarcastic. Biden can and should stop funding and supplying Israel. I think the sooner he does so, the sooner he secures the youth vote, and relectuant progressive, and the Muslim American vote.

        Did the edit not convey that?

    • olbaidiablo @lemmy.ca
      4·
      9 months ago

      Does anyone think that trump would act any differently? That he would put a stop to any of this? He literally tear gassed protesters for a photo op.

      • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
        2·
        9 months ago

        I don’t understand how that is some sort of salve for genocide. Am I suppose to feel better knowing that Biden and Trump enable genocide? Lesser of two evils doesn’t mean we don’t end up in an awful place.

        • olbaidiablo @lemmy.ca
          2·
          9 months ago

          I wasn’t commenting on that. I was commenting on how someone said this gives trump a win. It doesn’t, he would act the same way. They both have blood on their hands. Btw, I’m wondering when the holocaust pass that Israel gets expires? When does it become wrong again when they commit the very crimes that were perpetrated against their ancestors? Just wondering.

    • stembolts@programming.dev
      30·
      9 months ago

      Check your votes… No one is buying this… We all see what is happening. But you are a bot so not sure why I’m replying to you.

      Israel is a genocide state.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
      24·
      9 months ago

      I heard this a lot. The reality is, if hamas surrender now, they will still be out there looking for hamas, because no one know how many hamas is out there, who is the hamas, or when will hamas strike.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      15·
      9 months ago

      When Lebanon laid down their arms and surrendered with security guarantee from the US that they wold not be harmed, israel committed mass rape and Genocide. This is also where they stole the “pregnant women with the baby ripped out” story from. Israel actually did that themselves:

      Sabra and Shatila massacre

      Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist, later wrote to her husband, Dr. Franklin Lamb, “I saw dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles.”

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
          3·
          9 months ago

          https://www.hrw.org/news/2001/06/22/israel-sharon-investigation-urged

          As Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon had overall responsibility over the Israeli Defense Forces and allowed Phalangist militias to enter the camps where they terrorized the residents for three days.

          During the BBC program, Morris Draper, the U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East at the time, said that U.S. officials were horrified when told Sharon had allowed Phalange militias into West Beirut and the camps “because it would be a massacre.” He told the BBC that after the killings began he cabled Defense Minister Sharon, telling him, “You must stop the slaughter…. The situation is absolutely appalling. They are killing children. You have the field completely under your control and are therefore responsible for that area.”

          Lebanese israel-backed anti-Palestinian Fascists which were pointed to the camp by israel, armed with weapons. The IDF knew very well they would commit that massacare, the IDF which surrounded the camp made sure to defend the Phalangist militias while they commited their massacare.

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
              5·
              9 months ago

              The Kahan Commission (named after the President of the Israeli Supreme Court) that investigated the massacre in 1983 concluded that “Minister of Defense [Sharon] bears personal responsibility” and should “draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office.” The commission recommended that Prime Minister Menachem Begin remove Sharon from office if he did not resign. Sharon did resign as minister of defense, though he subsequently assumed other cabinet positions. Annexes of the commission report have not yet been made public, and it is not known if they contain additional information specific to Sharon´s involvement.

              By all accounts, the perpetrators of this indiscriminate slaughter were members of the Phalange (or Kata´eb, in Arabic) militia, a Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied to Israel since the outbreak of Lebanon´s civil war in 1975. It must be noted, however, that the killings were carried out in an area under IDF control. An IDF forward command post was situated on the roof of a multi-story building located some 200 meters southwest of the Shatilla camp.

              I guess these people can’t read either because if it’s israels responsibility that sure sounds like israel did it.

              Maybe you can send the Human Rights Watch a message to correct them. Be sure to link your wikipedia quote.

                • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  And I think it would help (at least not harm anyone) if israel (which is a Nazi ethostate) would lay their arms down.

                  Hey you know what they could do to solve this? A permanent ceasefire! Which Hamas agree to (wow)!

                  Guess who doesn’t?

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      3·
      9 months ago

      Ah, yes, and Israel will just continue their occupation and genocide of Gaza indefinitely. There’s a reason Hamas exists you moron.