10 Gbps symmetrical for 40 bucks a month TV included. It’s absolutely mind boggling for me how expensive internet is in North America.
Jesus, 10Gbps!? I’m paying $90 for “gigaspeed” AT&T fiber. But, I’m luckier than most, I have AT&T fiber and Metronet as fiber providers, as well as Spectrum and T-Mobile (but yuck to using 5G as my primary source of internet).
Spectrum near me charges me $79 a month for 400mbit down, and… Get ready… 10mbit up.
I’m in southern San Diego and they have non-compete agreements with the other companies. I can’t get anything else.
I know, it kinda sounds crazy, but at the same time it makes sense because after infrastructure the cost for the ISP is minimal. I mean upgrading to 25 Gbps is possible for just 70 bucks, so what can I say. Although my country is comparably small and I do live in the city. So it’s not universally like that.
The country is fucking huge to be fair, but it’s also the capitalism capital of the world.
Would have great internet too if the telecommunication companies didn’t just pocket the money for installing fiber infrastructure. Twice.
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Which country? Some of the countries in North America aren’t huge.
Country (noun):
an area of land considered in relation to a particular featureNorth America country.
North America is insane with their internet costs.
Here in VN, I can get unlimited 4G for 40$ a year, and 100mbps symmetrical fiber for about 50$ a year. The biggest provider is the Army. Their customer service is actually pretty fast and good too!
3 download 0.9 upload
:)
That’s awful, I’m sorry :(
Is your ISP’s infrastructure based on RFC 1149?
IPoD actually has really high throughput.
According to wikipedia Carrier pigeons typically travel ~1000km at ~100km/h and can carry 75g comfortably. a microsd card weighs about 0.5g and we have 1Tb ones now so our pigeon could carry about 150Tb per trip (sidenote that’ll cost ~20K so packet loss would really suck) . that’s an impressive 33Gb/s at the 1000km range. the 30million ms ping might be annoying though.
This really needs an update for each carrier to transport multiple packets at once.
Based on RFC2549 it seems each carrier can transport up to 10g. That’s roughly 40 MicroSD cards. The current largest MicroSD cards are 2TB, so that’s 80TB/carrier. It seems the smallest response time is 3,000s.
That means the theoretical top transfer rate could be roughly 213Gbps.Edit: Although it seems the carriers could do as much as 75g. That’s 300 MicroSD cards or 600TB. At 5km that makes 1.6Tbps!
Not to mention it needs a security update. Gotta figure out a way to encrypt those pigeons!
17mbps (Neighbour’s Wifi).
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1000 up and down. Fiber is great. Actually having competition instead of a Comcast monopoly in my area is amazing.
The one downside when I bought was only Comcast in the area. 6 months in, Att fiber got dropped in. Now I’m with you!
Mine is supposed to be 100 / 100 and actually is. In Vietnam, symmetrical fiber-to-the-home is actually pretty common. I think I pay 5$ a month, or maybe a bit less.
Damn. It surprises me how many people here are from VN.
I’ve only encountered one other! I might still be the only VN Lemmy instance, but probably not. I used to be.
Heyyo, I’m from Hanoi!
Neat! Despite immigrating here 12 years ago, I’ve only been to Ha Noi once! Everyone here in HCMC made a big fuss about warning me about scams, but everyone I met was fine, and no such thing occurred. Perhaps ironically, my inlaws hometown is near Ha Noi :P
That was also the first time I had egg coffee, which I really enjoy these days. Sword lake was pretty nice too. I’d go back one day for sure!
Kind of crazy that Vietnam can provide better Internet service to their citizens than the US. Not to disparage Vietnam in any way, but you’d think a country with the largest economy in human history would be able to keep up.
Well, usually competition creates more efficient prices. So I guess somehow your telecoms companies are using strategies to avoid competing somehow.
On our end, we still have quite some parts of the economy that are planned. For example, I applied for my business license according to a particular 5-year plan, and there are only certain areas of the economy I’m allowed to participate in. I can’t just one day pick up and decide that I’m going to start a butter factory or something.
The best Internet provider is literally the Army, but they weren’t granted a monopoly. The post office and three or four other major providers exist in every city. So there’s actually quite a healthy competition for customers, it seems this too was planned for. Things don’t always work out this well, but at least for Internet it worked out pretty great.
As an aside, back when there wasn’t enough money to fund State organs, they would sometimes be granted profitable businesses to stay afloat. Some bits of this are left – you can stay at a beach hotel run by the police department in at least one city. It always seemed to me a smart way to get the country out of a bad situation. This is why the Army or the Post Office are licensed to to a bunch of profitable consumer services.
The US could keep up, but then that means that telecoms would make less money, so obviously that is a non-starter.
1000/1000 for like $3 a month. But that’s with the caveat of living in China, where I need a VPN to access most western websites, so that’s my bottleneck.
Domestically I can get the full bandwidth when streaming (ton of English content available for cheap), but once I need to use the VPN it drops to maybe 200-300 mbit, depending on the server and current utilization.
Moving to Malaysia in less than 2 months where I can get 2gbit for about $90 (tested at my friend’s house), but honestly I think I’ll settle on 500. It’s more than I can realistically use in a 2 person household, and it’s like 20 bucks.
500 is the sweet spot, at least for downloads. I have it and it’s fast enough for all my needs. Upload can be less, although I’d love to have more than the current 50. Good luck with your move!
Thanks a lot! Will be an interesting journey for sure.
And yeah that’s what I thought, I had 100 asymmetrical before when living alone, and thought there’s still room for improvement, but it’s a declining balance really. My friend has a 4 person household and never even came close to utilizing his full bandwidth, he basically told me he took the biggest package just because he could.
2000/1000
🥲
It was a long road, getting from there to here.
And I can feel the change in the wind right now
Nothing′s in my way
And they’re not gonna hold me down no more
No, they’re not gonna hold me down
STANDIN’ TALL
On the wings of my dream
It’s my life, my dream, Nothing’s gonna stop me now
…right?
Those are some pretty round numbers. What your isp tells you or what your router pulls?
My router actually can’t keep up Even with deep packet inspection and all the security features turned off I can’t crack 1700. If I connect directly to their provided router I get the full 2K. (I have a first version unifi dream machine pro, the SE supposedly handles it just fine).
Not sure about router not keeping up. I pull 1800s on the down but often break 2000 on the up. I believe it’s legit not any ceiling on my hardware.
He just said if he takes the router out of the picture he gets the full 2Mbps, that’s a pretty solid data point.
I believe it. The Unifi routers aren’t the most powerful. And they’ve had their share of bugs. I had a couple firmware updates where my USGs couldn’t even keep up with the 300Mbps I had at the time.
10 GBit symmetrical. Which is a bit useless, since my motherboard only supports 1 GBit, but it’s good to be ready for the future, I suppose.
You could get a 10 Gbps network card for under $100
And ensure the router and the ethernet cable support that. But yeah.
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I could, but in reality, I barely ever max out even the 1 GBit. Steam is probably the only service that comes to mind. And whether I download a new game in 10 minutes or 1 minute doesn’t really matter…
I cant even max out my 1gbit with steam because they use compression and my CPU just cant decompress fast enough.
You just need 9 more PCs with the same motherboard on em!
I absolutely have to do that. This is the kind of valuable insight I can only get in a place like Lemmy!
I pay for 1000/50, I get more like 500/50 which is fine by me. Costs 80CAD a month.
Since you are so cool paying for things you don’t receive I’d love to sell you some crypto. I’ll sell you 4 coins ether for the price of 8 coin.
My day job is building ISP networks. It’s been about 20 years since I had a home connection that I didn’t configure up both ends of myself.
I’ve got a 1G / 500M tail into home where I am right now, not that that is particularly impressive. One of the jobs I’ve been putting off at work is standardising our usage of the 10G GPON platform available here in NZ, when I do that I’ll get one of the >1G tails to use at home.
Usually the answer is how ever much I can be bothered building, but my usage is pretty low.
You can come around to my-place and upgrade me.
In saying that we were the first install of fibre in our village. Got a call the wee before it was meant to be installed something like “we have just turned on the fiver network, you are just around the corner from us you want us to install today?”
How’s the rollout of the 10G stuff going? Seems like it’s been coming “soon” for the last couple of years. Not that I could actually make use of 10G down.
We did an address check when we could first order it and about a third of the folks in the office could get it about a year and a half ago. I know the majority of the address checks that we do for commercial locations in tenders come up positive now.
It is not cheap to get an off the shelf router that does a solid job of forwarding multiple gigabits and the vast majority of folks ( me included ) probably will rarely notice the difference outside of speed tests. The last firewall build that I did for home was with a pair of virtual Linux boxes with 10G interfaces just so I could do a 2G or 4G GPON upgrade later on without having to throw everything out.
In New Zealand it seems like 10G GPON services are mostly cannibalizing high quality lit ethernet services at 1G and 10G subrate rather than replacing consumer tails. So more likely a business is going from spending $1500 a month on uncontended 1G to spending $400 a month on contended 4G, rather than a residential user going from spending $150 on 1000/500 to $280 on 2000/2000.
75/15
Everyone around me is getting fiber, but I’m on a private/unadopted road, so not for me 😭
Still better than what I have.
1000mbps symmetric, $500/mo (yeah I know…)
Bro what.
I live pretty rural and no service providers had any desire or plans to expand service to where I am. Best offering was 768kbps DSL.
I’m in a little bit of a valley with a ton of huge trees, so Starlink would cut out every 10-15 minutes. Cellular internet was…okay…but not fast enough for my needs.
I ended up paying a provider to dig a trench from a distant main road to my property and bury a fiber line direct for my use. It has a 99.99999% uptime guarantee which is nice.
I’ll be paying for it for 10 years…but honestly, worth it.
Holy shit ! you’ll be paying 500$/month for ten years ? Yea, I imagine I would do that too, given the dough
Sadly, yeah. Moved out here mid-COVID and I really don’t anticipate needing to move (got a good chunk of land, it’s quiet, farm animals, etc.) and I can do my job remote so the internet was definitely necessary. But we’ll see where life takes me.
Got any neighbours who might pay for some of that?
Not close enough, no. Though I was briefly looking into offering something using some high-powered point to point hardware, just haven’t really done it yet.
60K in 10 years is not very expensive if you didn’t have to pay for the digging itself. That could easily be as expensive without any service. Now I don’t know what happens after your current contract though, whether it will be reduced or if you have options to switch providers…
Supposedly it drops to something like $60/mo (in today’s dollars). The rest is actually me having agreed to subsidize the digging itself. I just looked again it’s actually 8 years, so on the whole I still feel like it was worth it.
In fact, I remember them telling me they went way over budget on the project so I’m actually underpaying (we signed agreements prior to them breaking ground). So I guess that aligns.
Good one. And your commune wouldn’t pay for any of it ?
“250 symmetrical”, but my router usually reports around 270ish each way. Recently moved somewhere with fiber to the home.
Previously the cable co I was with kept sending notifications that they had “upgraded” my service. I went from like 100mbps down to like 300 down with them, but they never changed the 10mbps up…
Melbourne Australia: ~75/30mbps. Was getting 1000/1000 at my last place near the city, but we bought a house in a forest.
Thanks to the left wing government, we’ll get upgraded to 1000/1000 in 1.5 years.
Crazy… 70max is normal everywhere in Germany
~90/30 (paying for 100/40).
That’s considered pretty good for our shit Aussie FTTN (VDSL) network.
Fibre upgrades are happening.
48/16 here. Something like that with almost 80 a month.
AUD?
Shop around, change providers whenever you find a better deal, it barely takes an hour, I’m paying $68 for unlimited.
