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  • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    This is a story which has defined romantic love for generations and now will be just another example of anti-White racism.

    Is it? It’s been a minute since I’ve seen the text, but my lasting impressions is that it’s about stupid horny teenagers who tragically throw their lives away.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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      it’s about stupid horny teenagers who tragically throw their lives away

      So, there’s something of a debate over whether Romeo + Juliet is a Drama or a Comedy, as its relatively easy to play the high strung niche bigotries of two aristocratic families and the soppy tear-jerk romance of two teenagers repeatedly failing to kill themselves for laughs.

      But I think the underlying appeal of the story is, at its heart, the idea that our history may define our current conditions but it cannot dictate our future choices. We can be born into hatred and still find love. We can break free of our family legacies. We can abandon filial obligations and golden shackles, if we can find someone of like mind to follow.

      Their deaths are meant as an emphasis of their determination. But I don’t think they’re strictly stupid or even particularly horny. I think they are simply unhappy with their lives and in search of other like-minded people who would flee towards a brighter future. Romeo and Juliet are one another’s paths to escape their toxic families. And that’s honestly really sweet and cool.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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          When something is as old and venerated and reproduced as a Shakespeare classic, sometimes its good to take a minute and check under the hood.

          Art that stands the test of 600 years time tends to have survived for a good reason.

  • JustSo [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    no American would accept a trans Juliet
    in ancient shakespeare times

    lmao. Hard to cherry pick cuz the whole thread on there is an ignorance fractal.

      • JustSo [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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        Haha yeah no way that dude was joking given the rest of his trash. That whole subreddit is a cognitohazard.

        You know you can disregard a MFer when they think Shakespeare is str8 outta ancient history. You know you can disregard a MFer if he thinks men acting in women-coded roles has shit to do with trans stuff. You know you can disregard a MFer if he thinks American opinions are remotely relevant to the linked OP story let ALONE in Shakespeare’s time (you know, in ancient history.)

        And you know you can disregard all these MFers who think Shakespeare is some high brow white culture that must be protected. Even if I weren’t interested in human liberation and socialism and shit… I’d still want to throw all the bad take havers in the linked reddit thread into an industrial woodchipper.

        In fact imagine how fkn embarrassing the lumpen proles must be to “educated” white supremacists.

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        8 months ago

        There is a reason sf Debris in his trek reviews has a counter called “ancient chinese secret” for when a character calls something decidedly not ancient, ancient. This includes car keys, fucking car keys.

        People don’t know what ancient means and it upsets me deeply

  • echognomics [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    classic stories of the Wéstern tradition

    What’s with the accent mark? Is this some sort of advanced esoteric racism that I’m too non-Amerikkkan to understand?