You know that other factors exist than just the most basic fundamentals, right? because you’re acting like you don’t.
Things are priced to sell
Things are priced to profit. When the combination of a popular/arguably necessary commodity and little to no competition lets them, companies will exploit that to abuse people for extra profit.
Not buying IS an option
It’s not a GOOD option, though, and not one that anyone should be coerced into rather than reining in abusive corporations that break the law.
no one is forcing you to attend the gig, if the price is too high, then don’t go.
No one is forcing companies to abuse people either. That you think depriving people of entertainment is a better option than upholding the law by doing something about abusively profiteering corporations says a lot about you, none of it good.
We could argue all day. I take a principled stand of refusing to participate in things that I view as unfair.
If you and others continue to contribute to a system that you view as unfair, knowing that you don’t have to, that’s something you have to come to terms with yourself.
I take a principled stand of refusing to participate in things that I view as unfair.
And I’m arguing that it would be more principled to take steps to stop the abuse by holding the abusers accountable than to make it the responsibility of the victims to affect change by depriving themselves needlessly.
If you and others continue to contribute to a system that you view as unfair, knowing that you don’t have to, that’s something you have to come to terms with yourself
Yeah, because “either don’t enjoy music live or it’s your fault” isn’t victim blaming at all, nuh-uh! 🙄
He seems to believe that poor people don’t deserve live music events. Only good for the rich, us poor workers have to keep on working so our bosses can have entertainment.
I’m not saying that refusing to buy will break up the monopoly, it’s just basic economics, if no one buys due to the price being too high, they will drop the price.
“the price will go down if no one buys the tickets” is true in the same way that the statement “if everyone moves to finland, then no one will live in germany” is true. it doesn’t really mean anything, because you can’t convince everyone to stop buying tickets in the same way that you can’t convince everyone to move to finland.
this sort of problem is why governments regulate things. during the industrial revolution, companies would’ve stopped using child labor if everyone refused to buy from companies that used child labor. but that didn’t happen, so governments took it upon themselves to make child labor illegal.
I’m more than willing to vote with my wallet. If everyone else wants to hold themselves captive that’s their choice, they just shouldn’t pretend that refusing to pay isn’t an option.
Your analogy of uprooting your life to live in another country is a bit of an over exaggeration, we’re talking about missing out on a gig, it’s not akin to starting your life over.
voting with your wallet isn’t really voting though. how are companies supposed to tell the difference between you not buying something because you’re not interested, and you not buying something because of some principled opposition? the other huge problem with the “vote with your wallet idea” is that bigger wallets get more votes. and people with bigger wallets might not care as much about incremental price increases.
Your analogy of uprooting your life to live in another country is a bit of an over exaggeration, we’re talking about missing out on a gig, it’s not akin to starting your life over.
are you familiar with the purpose of an analogy? here’s the merriam webster:
definition of an analogy:
a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect
is starting your life over different from not going to a concert? yes, but that’s not the point of the analogy. you can say a bunch of “true” if-then statements, but that doesn’t really accomplish anything if the premises are never satisfied. so that’s why i gave an analogy with a premise that’s even harder to satisfy, to illustrate this very point.
Whatever. I’ve seen quite a few gigs that looked good but when I saw the ticket price I thought “fuck that”, it’s really simple. Did my single action cause a price drop? Of course not, but one rain drop doesn’t cause a flood. All we need is for people to stick together but instead we get people like you crying to daddy government about how unfair it is.
If you want to complain about how expensive something is and then still pay it, that’s a you problem.
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It’s the worst option. It hurts everyone: Ticketmaster, artists, venues, fans, and yourself for missing out on the show you want to see.
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But that’s entirely missing the whole reason most people attend concerts.
Yeah sure, everyone should be deprived of live music rather than doing something about the greedy cunts abusing their power to fleece people 🙄
It would only take one or two big tickets gigs to not sell to see prices come down.
If people are fine paying that price, there’s no problem.
That’s just factually inaccurate. Also an extremely unrealistic and unfair demand of the victims of exploitation.
They aren’t but they don’t have a choice. That’s the point.
You can refuse to accept basic economics if you want, I can’t make you. Things are priced to sell, it’s as simple as that
Go back to comment 1. Not buying IS an option, no one is forcing you to attend the gig, if the price is too high, then don’t go.
You know that other factors exist than just the most basic fundamentals, right? because you’re acting like you don’t.
Things are priced to profit. When the combination of a popular/arguably necessary commodity and little to no competition lets them, companies will exploit that to abuse people for extra profit.
It’s not a GOOD option, though, and not one that anyone should be coerced into rather than reining in abusive corporations that break the law.
No one is forcing companies to abuse people either. That you think depriving people of entertainment is a better option than upholding the law by doing something about abusively profiteering corporations says a lot about you, none of it good.
We could argue all day. I take a principled stand of refusing to participate in things that I view as unfair.
If you and others continue to contribute to a system that you view as unfair, knowing that you don’t have to, that’s something you have to come to terms with yourself.
And I’m arguing that it would be more principled to take steps to stop the abuse by holding the abusers accountable than to make it the responsibility of the victims to affect change by depriving themselves needlessly.
Yeah, because “either don’t enjoy music live or it’s your fault” isn’t victim blaming at all, nuh-uh! 🙄
This is how you’re acting:
He seems to believe that poor people don’t deserve live music events. Only good for the rich, us poor workers have to keep on working so our bosses can have entertainment.
Good luck to you.
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are you familiar with the concept of a “monopoly”?
Are you familiar with reading English?
They weren’t saying “buy from someone else”, they were just saying “don’t buy”.
how often do monopolies get broken up by simply telling people “dont buy”? and how is that a good argument against government action?
I’m not saying that refusing to buy will break up the monopoly, it’s just basic economics, if no one buys due to the price being too high, they will drop the price.
I’m not arguing against government action.
“the price will go down if no one buys the tickets” is true in the same way that the statement “if everyone moves to finland, then no one will live in germany” is true. it doesn’t really mean anything, because you can’t convince everyone to stop buying tickets in the same way that you can’t convince everyone to move to finland.
this sort of problem is why governments regulate things. during the industrial revolution, companies would’ve stopped using child labor if everyone refused to buy from companies that used child labor. but that didn’t happen, so governments took it upon themselves to make child labor illegal.
I’m more than willing to vote with my wallet. If everyone else wants to hold themselves captive that’s their choice, they just shouldn’t pretend that refusing to pay isn’t an option.
Your analogy of uprooting your life to live in another country is a bit of an over exaggeration, we’re talking about missing out on a gig, it’s not akin to starting your life over.
voting with your wallet isn’t really voting though. how are companies supposed to tell the difference between you not buying something because you’re not interested, and you not buying something because of some principled opposition? the other huge problem with the “vote with your wallet idea” is that bigger wallets get more votes. and people with bigger wallets might not care as much about incremental price increases.
are you familiar with the purpose of an analogy? here’s the merriam webster: definition of an analogy:
is starting your life over different from not going to a concert? yes, but that’s not the point of the analogy. you can say a bunch of “true” if-then statements, but that doesn’t really accomplish anything if the premises are never satisfied. so that’s why i gave an analogy with a premise that’s even harder to satisfy, to illustrate this very point.
Whatever. I’ve seen quite a few gigs that looked good but when I saw the ticket price I thought “fuck that”, it’s really simple. Did my single action cause a price drop? Of course not, but one rain drop doesn’t cause a flood. All we need is for people to stick together but instead we get people like you crying to daddy government about how unfair it is.
If you want to complain about how expensive something is and then still pay it, that’s a you problem.
That’s how all monopolies work I suppose. That doesn’t make them right