I know this is typical for the US so this is more for US people to respond to. I wouldn’t say that it is the best system for work, just wondering about the disconnect.
I know this is typical for the US so this is more for US people to respond to. I wouldn’t say that it is the best system for work, just wondering about the disconnect.
Now I have been outa school since 2008, but back then, in public school, they didn’t teach us shit. Like actual useful things. How to deal with emotions, personal finance, How to deal with police, mindfulness, critical thinking…nothing. all busy work and history through the American lense (propaganda). I even had a science teacher who was super religious and said earth was created 6000 years ago…it was geology ffs. Math was the worst imo. Solve for X, zero context. The only reasoning they gave to learn it was “to get in to college”.
Safe to say I didn’t go to college.
If you didn’t learn that stuff, that’s on your parents, not your teachers. They’re not there to raise you.
Not all parents are equal. It’d be cool if we valued our young, regardless of from whom they came from. Nobody gets to decide whether to be born or not, but they’re still forced to accept the terms of service.
Maybe we should try to value… people?.. in general? But who honestly gives a fuck, I got too much on my own plate to really think about it anyway
That’s why they’re all entitled to a free education in most modern democracies.
Unfortunately not all parents are equal, that’s true. But there’s not much that can be done about that which child protection agencies don’t already cover.
Teachers can’t raise their students.
I agree that teachers can’t/shouldn’t have to raise students, and I believe most teachers would agree. But it ends up happening all of the time because a lot of people want to help as best they can. The teachers who do go the extra mile(s) shouldn’t have to be put in that situation to begin with. And the teachers who do their job well and nothing else, shouldn’t be shamed. It’s a societal problem that doesn’t have to be… but we’d rather blame “work ethic” and “this new generation”, than invest in the underlying issues. And that same rhetoric has been happening for probably over a century (at the very least)
Saying “CPS already covers what we can’t really change” is a farcry from actuality. Do you think social work is a prestigious position? If you do, are they funded and compensated appropriately? If people are just “popping babies out of their vagina” and expecting help to raise them; why do we work so hard to undermine the autonomy of a woman’s choice to give birth in the first place? And if “every life matters” (so very much) to those who oppose choice… why aren’t we helping the families who aren’t allowed to choose because of some bullshit beliefs/laws that have nothing to do with an observed reality? Hypocrisy all over the damn place.
It’s a control and power struggle that has been going on for longer than we’ve been alive. We can have rational thought AND compassion at the same time; but many of those who influence our “laws” don’t give a damn about what happens to poeple after their own ends or objectives have been met.
If we don’t believe teachers are responsible for raising kids, than we better damn-well make sure we are providing our own with the resources they need. Or fuck it, let’s keep passing the blame in order to make ourselves feel righteous and forget about the very complex issues. Complexities are hard anyway, why bother when I’m already comfortable?
Those are US problems. I don’t live in the US
Those are absolutely not problems specific to the US. But it looks like you’re not trying to understand any viewpoint other than your own. Good day sir
Lol your world view is so American that you can’t see the forest for the trees. Indeed it seems you’re the one who doesn’t understand any other viewpoint, because you don’t even understand that there are other viewpoints to be had.
Yeah, it’s not like they are part of an institution designed to ensure a baseline level of education within society. Oh, wait.
That’s right, to educate you, not to raise you.
A basic level of education to function at work. That’s literally why modern schooling was created during the industrial revolution.
What the fuck do you think parents are supposed to do? Just pop you out of a vagina, feed you, and leave everything else to other people?
I’m sorry your parents were so shit, anon.
All of that seems fairly important for continued success at work.
Unfortunately, much to my dismay, being a parent has no requirements or standards. As such, in order to ensure a baseline, that should be available in school. In addition, how are those parents supposed to learn how to parent… if that isn’t taught in school?
Fuck orphans?
Cute, but complete crap.
Ah yes, I can’t believe I didn’t look at it that way. What wonderous intelligence you have been blessed with.
It means that you’re being deliberately obtuse in order to pretend that you don’t understand that you’re wrong. If you don’t understand how to admit that, it’s nobody else’s problem.
Some people don’t have parents. But I generally agree with you.
You had me until math. I used algebra every day of my blue collar life. Fun fact, the more math that you know directly correlates to your income more than any other subject.
Friendly reminder that correlation does not equal causation.
Intelligence is the most likely mediator between those two variables. Intelligent people can grasp mathematical concepts easier and are more likely to use it, and intelligent people tend to shoot for higher paying jobs that challenge them.
I use math everyday as well in the trades. Not too complex math, but my point was not the math itself, rather the way it was taught to me and the context given, which was none. I’m definitely not saying don’t teach math, quite the opposite. I’m a hands on learner. Math for the sake of math to 15 yr old me seemed like an empty exercise. If I could do it again, I’d probably be good at it. But that’s life.
Pure math is just too abstract to make sense. When a teacher says the only reason to learn it is to get in a college, yeah, that’s terrible teaching. A halfway decent teacher would at least orally give some RL examples people might need to use mental math, like calculating whether the 300g or the 500g packet is cheaper per gram
They did that a tiny bit in early math classes. In high school, none. I failed every year cause I didn’t care about what X is. I erased the problem. No more problem. I was a dumb kid with shit teachers. And here I am using math everyday and finding I’m fairly decent at mental math and weird fractions. Guess I’m a hand on learner. I dunno. I agree with you.
If you have to deal with police you SHUT THE FUCK UP. You can’t beat them at their own game
Which should be taught, imo. police are not your friends. They arrest you for profit. I learned how to deal the hard way. But least I know now. I guess teaching it would be counter to the whole reason of policing so yea. 🤷