sigh wishlisted.

Drop a list of some of the games if you remember them off the top of your head if you don’t mind

My first instinct is that it’s because everything can still be broken down into bespoke parts. You’re not hooking up to the Copyright Infringement Pipe as a substitute for making content, you just made a thing that rearranges the content you’ve made. People can feel when something had a human hand creating it, and that’s one of those intangible things you don’t notice until it’s gone.

I’ve seen procgen used for stuff like character icons, item/enemy behavior, and weirder shit like Dwarf Fortress’s engraving descriptions. Never seen any complaints about it being “wrong” to do that, just “it looks bad sometimes”

Most procedurally generated height maps and textures are made via Perlin Noise and math equations. Procedurally generated dungeons are usually just a bunch of rules deciding where to place human designed rooms on a grid.

People have historically considered these types of things to be slop, yes, but its not the same thing as machine learning output, pink sludge machine or otherwise.

It’s pretty much just because of two things: the AI community is >95% dipshit chuds and grifters who should be and so taint generative AI in general by association, and that there’s been a huge corporate push to frame the problem as AI not properly licensing content from media and content hosting companies, in the guise of it “infringing” on artists wherever there hasn’t been a proper licensing agreement between the trainer and whatever corporation claims the rights to license that content for training.

It’s basically the new Poser/Daz3d CGI slop in terms of being almost entirely awful garbage that talentless dipshits spam everywhere, and a game using it is more likely to be akin to a shitty VN with stock Poser asset renders than it is to use it effectively. If nothing else because the tech is still so fresh that the only things that have gone live with it are shitty cash grabs no different from asset flips, and any legitimate projects have yet to appear.

I think level generation has just had enough time to work out (most of) it’s kinks.

Also everyone was hyped about the nemesis system until it got patented.

Iirc, as far back Mtw2 they swapped parts of models to create 'unique" soldiers in armies. Is that procedural generation?

I think it comes down to (perceived) quality of implementation and how long each tool has been used.

Procedural level generation has been implemented to good effect in many games going back decades to Diablo (II?). Most gamers acknowledge that it can be done well, so it’s easier to defend from criticism whenever some asset flip survival crafting game botches it.

AI art and voice work is a lot less proven. Most of the time they lead to measurable drops in quality when implemented. Look at the criticism around Stasis: Bone Totem for an example of how distracting AI art is in the context of an otherwise competent game.

There’s also the perception that procedural generation is a valid artistic choice whereas AI is a pure cost cutting exercise. There are games like Dwarf Fortress, No Man’s Sky, almost every rogue like, and so on where the procedural generation is one of the main draws. There are very few examples of AI art or voice acting that actually enhance a product. The only two I can think of are mods that can’t afford voice acting anyway (and people will cut slack for because they’re free fan projects) and vocaloid products like Hatsune Miku (though arguably they’re more tools than games).

I seriously doubt the average gamer has any real moral or ethical objections against AI. When AI voice work becomes indistinguishable from human VA, people will stop caring.

Yeah, this article is just marketing.

It’s fun

They’re more fun to make. Replaying the start of a roguelite a gazillion times is more pleasant than replaying the first level a gazillion times.