• NutWrench@lemmy.world
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    Antifa literally means anti-fascist. The guys who stormed the beaches of Normandy were “antifa.”

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      The guys who stormed the beaches of Normandy were “antifa.”

      Many of them were quite literally Communists. The party membership was at its peak during the Great Depression, and American Communists were big advocates of US entrance into the war in the run up to Pearl Harbor. Lots of Americans saw the Western Front as an opportunity to aid their besieged allies in Soviet Russia.

      At the same time, you had pro-Nazi sympathizers who thought we should simply profit off the war by selling to both combatants, or even enter the war on the side of the Germans. The German-American Bund held rallies in New York and Chicago, hoping to win the public over to supporting Germany in its war against the eastern Communists.

      We had a very real and notable split in public opinion on the subject of which side of the war to support in the run up to the Japanese attack on Hawaii. And even after the war, many American conservative politicians remained sympathetic towards the defeated German government in a way they hadn’t been towards the Kaiser’s Reich of WW1, the Spanish during the Spanish-American War, or the American Natives.

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        The party membership was at its peak during the Great Depression, and American Communists were big advocates of US entrance into the war in the run up to Pearl Harbor.

        Fucking bizarre, considering that for the first two years of the war the US Communist Party followed the ‘party line’ and slobbed the knob of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

        We had a very real and notable split in public opinion on the subject of which side of the war to support in the run up to the Japanese attack on Hawaii.

        Like fuck we did. Jesus Christ. The only question of relevance was whether to join the war or not, not whose side to join it on. Do you enjoy spreading pro-fascist disinformation?

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        What “organization”? There is no antifa “organization”. Anti-fascism is an ideology. If you are opposed to fascism, you are anti-fascist.

        Don’t worry. I’m not accusing you of being opposed to fascism.

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        Introduced, not passed. They are not a terror organization and calling them as such is an attempt to discredit a political movement for the sake of fascists and racists. There have been analyses, reports, and studies that have concluded that antifa is not a major domestic terrorism risk.

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        The only problem “antifa” is causing in the U.S. is having the nerve to complain when cops murder them and the cops never face any consequences.

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        Changing out the words “antifa” and “marijuana”, then citing

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs

        A 1962 issue of the Commission on Narcotic Drugs’ Bulletin on Narcotics proudly announced that “after a definite transitional period, all non-medical use of narcotic drugs, such as opium smoking, opium eating, consumption of cannabis (hashish, marijuana) and chewing of coca leaves, will be outlawed everywhere. This is a goal which workers in international narcotics control all over the world have striven to achieve for half a century.”

        The Government Said It So It Must Be True!

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          Can we please rise above the shitty server wars? There’s bad actors on all servers.

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            There are, but .world has a much higher percentage of Zionists and otherwise fascist users. That’s generally what happens when you defederate from Marxist instances and punch anyone left of liberals, right wingers find it safer there.

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              Of course, MLs are notoriously hostile towards Nazis, right? Definitely didn’t spend almost a decade cooperating with the Nazi War Machine and then signing a non-aggression pact to genocide the Polish people together, with all of the good MLs in other countries following the party line.

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                Oh, it’s the resident ultra-liberal, somehow too leftist for Marxism yet always capable of seeing nuance within liberalism. Funny how that happens.

                Either way, the USSR didn’t cooperate with the Nazis. After the Polish government fled Poland to Romania from Nazi invasion, the USSR took back land they lost in the 20s during the Polish-Soviet War, to prevent the Nazis from taking it. Do you genuinely think the correct thing would have been for the Soviets to let Poland be taken completely by the Nazis?

                Did the fact that the vast majority of Nazi deaths in WWII came from the USSR happen because they were such good friends?

                You don’t have to like the USSR, there were numerous issues with it, but pretending that they were friends to fascists is just pure Red Scare anticommunism. I do think it’s in line with your other anti-Marxist takes, like your disapproval of the Black Panther Party.

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        Introduced congressional resolutions are not known for their objectivism. I’m not saying the opposite is true, only that what something is has very little to do with what individual political figures want it to be. I mean, Indiana tried to legislate the value of π to be exactly 3.

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      The D in DPRK stands for democratic. Not calling Antifa fascist here, just saying that an organization doesn’t stay true to it’s name.

      Frankly, I hate the narrative that Antifa is an organization. I’ve never met with anyone who was part of Antifa, but I know I would tell nazis to get the fuck off my street if they were marching down it.