• @9point6@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            144 months ago

            No fuse, no way

            Why would I want a whole circuit to be cut because of a single device fault, and then have to spend time figuring out which device on that circuit actually has the fault.

            Plus if a device only needs 3A it shouldn’t be able to draw more

            • @Yamayo@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              43 months ago

              and then have to spend time figuring out which device on that circuit actually has the fault.

              Usually that happens just when you plug it in so…

            • @umbraroze@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              43 months ago

              Why would I want a whole circuit to be cut because of a single device fault

              Dunno, if I have a fault in my home, I want it to be spectacular.

              A couple of years ago I literally had massive blood pressure and walked like 2 km to go buy a box of fuses.

              Burning two fuses, I figured out one of the extension strips was bad.

              If I plug something in and half of my apartment goes black, TWICE, and needs a fuse replacement each time, maybe that thing needs to be tossed anuway. I’m no electrician, I can’t troubleshoot a power strip. It has served its years. Bye.

        • @AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
          link
          fedilink
          English
          174 months ago

          Type G only exists because the British skimped on wiring after WW2 and needed to put a fuse in each plug for safety, hence the chonkiness.

        • @accideath@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          134 months ago

          Can’t rotate type G 180°. And since type F sockets are recessed, it’s just as unlikely to get shocked as with type G. Ground even connects first. And it’s directly compatible with type C and most type E plugs (since E&F usually share the same plug design, just the socket is a little different). What advantage would type G have to F?

          • @AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
            link
            fedilink
            English
            154 months ago

            Which are only necessary because British houses are wired with a ring main. It’s a false economy.

            Also, when it was created, most appliances were earthed. Nowadays, most things one plugs in are small electronic devices which don’t need an earth. Type G/BS1363 has no 2-pin variant, and even mandates a mechanical shutter to prevent a plug without an earth pin from being used. Which was great in 1947, but not so much now, when Europeans, Americans, Japanese, Australians and such have slender 2-pin plugs and economical sockets to put them in, while the Brits/Irish/HK/UAE are stuck with their enormous clownshoe of a plug.

            • @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              English
              54 months ago

              I would have thought two pin plugs are easily to break. I’ve not broken a British plug in 40 years of life.

              Anyway I’m not trying to debate this. There are plenty of resources online where electricians discuss the different plug types and the order is typically UK, Germany, and Australia.

              • @frezik@midwest.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                23 months ago

                What I’d like to see is apples-to-apples comparison of home and office safety between the different plug types. The data is sorta out there, but it’s not normalized in a way that’s convenient for comparison between countries.

                On paper, yes, the North American plug is pretty bad, but will that show up in actual practice? There may be a case for changing it, but that needs a comprehensive study before going to all the effort to transition to a better design. Even if we had that study right in front of us, I can already hear conservatives complaining about Marxists electrical plugs.

      • DacoTaco
        link
        fedilink
        English
        94 months ago

        What makes it better over a type e? Personally i prefer type e, i dont trust the springs of type f :')

            • JustEnoughDucks
              link
              fedilink
              English
              23 months ago

              It’s AC. Polarity doesn’t generally matter.

              Bridge rectifiers are also not polarized to convert AC to DC.

            • @rtxn@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              13 months ago

              In terms of physics, AC doesn’t have polarities. Treat both the live and the neutral wire as if it were live. You don’t know what kind of psychopath wired the building.

          • DacoTaco
            link
            fedilink
            English
            34 months ago

            Thats a fair argument that people have had issues with actually! Sometimes that is annoying but ive never had to much issues with it tbh

            • @Opisek@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              6
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              What’s great is that it’s also “backwards-compatible” with type E. Male type E plugs will usually also have ground connections for a type F, so you can plug it into female E and F sockets.

              Edit: In fact, looking back at the picture, that’s exactly the kind of male plug shown for both type E and F. It works with both types. It has the hole for an earth prong, but it also has a contact on the bottom side if you look closely.

              • DacoTaco
                link
                fedilink
                English
                3
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                I will say the comparability is amazing and a really good thing! The type f plugs are amazing. Nothing bad about more ground connections!
                Just wished the type f sockets had a solid piece of metal, instead of the springs. Then they’d be perfect! :D

    • Resol van Lemmy
      link
      fedilink
      English
      63 months ago

      That plug is only useful for a device that pays respects and nothing else.

  • @ace_garp@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    393 months ago

    The plug design from my country looks elegant and rational, all the rest are koo-koo-krazy-town.

    – everyone

  • @LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    27
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    I wish the entire world would use type G. It’s the objectively superior socket for so many reasons. I hate type B so much

    • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      484 months ago

      Schuko (type F) is better than the UK plug. UK plug is huge, and schuko has same safety features, except the fuse, which is not needed if your houses would be build better.

      • @SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        304 months ago

        Local fusing provides notable advantages, even without ring finals. In particular, one failed appliance doesn’t necessarily take out the whole circuit, and lower draw appliances can be more closely fused (e.g. 3A) reducing available fault energy.

        • @Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          244 months ago

          It’s not worth the trade off of the giant plug in my opinion. And local fusing doesn’t really protect the user directly, it protects the wires. Modern codes in Europe put the equivalent of GFCIs on all circuits which can actually save lives.

          • @LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            8
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            GFCI will save people from direct shock , but won’t always stop a fault from say starting a fire. Example a damaged wire arcing the live and neutral (not a dead short) won’t trip gfci, there is no ground fault because the power is returning over the neutral as it should. And since it’s just a partial arc short it’s not going to draw enough to trip the main breaker so it can just sit there and get hot and catch fire.

            Technically we now have AFCI to try and detect exactly that, but it’s still relatively recent and generally very expensive to implement.

            All that said, I prefer the g-type outlet simply because of the giant plug ensures a nice, proper, secure connection, and isn’t shaped in a way that lends itself to being particularly damaged. Even if something lands on it, it’s profile prevents it from being ripped out of the socket. Whereas the other socket types tend to stick out quite far from their socket and have a tendency towards being yanked out of it. Obviously I’m partially overreacting because I’m dealing with the absolutely fucking garbage type B Outlet I just want an outlet that will finally stay secure

            • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              1
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              This is why both (fuse+GFCI) are put to the line and located in the electrical cabinet.

              • lazynooblet
                link
                fedilink
                English
                13 months ago

                Still not nearly as safe. Leaving it up to the home owner to replace the fuse/breaker for each circuit each time a device of a different amp requirement is used is very… naive? The manufacturer of the device shipping the item with the fuse that matches requirement is easier and safer. It may have been born from the ring mains requirement but it’s much safer because of it.

                • @Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  3
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  Those fuses that can be changed by home owner themself have not existed in 20 years, all are automatic that you just flip from the panel. Fuse size is calculated based on the width of the cable, so if current gets too high the fuse just flips, so the cable doesn’t melt.

                  Edit: as a counter part, if you plug multiple high usage components on same cable, the individual device/plug fuse does not blow, but the cable can melt inside the wall.

                • @frezik@midwest.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  13 months ago

                  IIRC, the UK actually teaches kids how to wire plugs properly in school for that very reason. Or at least they used to.

            • @frezik@midwest.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              13 months ago

              To add, we upgraded our house from 100A to 200A service a little while ago, and one of the companies quoted an AFCI box. Was something like $15k, compared to like $3k for a much simpler setup (which left our existing 100A box as a subpanel instead of moving everything).

              Also, I run 3D printers, and apparently those tend to trip AFCI.

          • @then_three_more@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            33 months ago

            What’s wrong with a large plug? Surely it’s better for people with mobility difficulties in their hands, like arthritis.

            • @Opisek@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              13 months ago

              I’d argue the recessed nature of a type F socket and the guides on the sides are much better suited for aiding those people.

          • @SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            13 months ago

            Built in fuses protect only downstream of where the fuse is. The supply flex is therefore not protected, despite often being the most damaged part.

    • @scrion@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      114 months ago

      It’s absolutely overkill for many applications, with its integrated fuse, and that’s why I love it. It is indeed objectively best.

      • @Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        214 months ago

        Rest of Europe doesn’t like or use type G. It is bulky, can be used as a weapon, can only be plugged one way and compensates for shitty wiring that no one else needs or wants.

  • @cordlesslamp@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    274 months ago

    Why would they invented a plugs that’s not grounded? (Type A and C)

    I fucking hate it because my country’s default plugs is type C. Caused me so much trouble in damaged electronics, shocked, and the effort to make a grounded line for each individual electronics myself.

    • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      254 months ago

      the non grounded plugs are usually only used on double isolated devices, like your phone charger.

      double isolated basically means all the outputs are only referenced to each other and not to ground, so you won’t get a shock by touching a usb plug, where you absolutely would if you touched live wire, where the reference is earth

      • @cordlesslamp@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        64 months ago

        my pc case shocked me when I touched it, not a huge shock like live wires but enough for you to feel a little pain (like static shock on winter day). My phone charger also shocked me the same way when i touched the metal part of the USB head.

    • @frezik@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      93 months ago

      Remember, all this stuff started over a century ago. The main application was electric incandescent lights, which are fine to run with only two wires.

    • @kameecoding@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      93 months ago

      Type c is commonly used in my country for small appliances as it can be used with type E and F plugs which are used everywhere

    • aname
      link
      English
      73 months ago

      Finland uses C and F, where F is for grounded and C is for laptop chargers and such that don’t need grounding.

    • @ikidd@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      43 months ago

      Your neutral should be bonded to ground anyway. If you have current on the neutral that needs the ground path, something is wrong.

    • @Stovetop@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      33 months ago

      Does Finland use C outlets, though?

      At least in the US, just about every outlet has a ground port (Type B), even if the device you’re plugging in has only a 2-prong plug. I’ve only seen the Type A outlet in one really old building.

      • @frezik@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        63 months ago

        Lots of old houses in the US still have a bunch of the Type A outlet. My first apartment did for most outlets.

        Now, what’s really fun is Knob and Tube wiring, where the hot and neutral lines are separate wires. Which means they tended to be run in separate directions if it was convenient for the asshole from a century ago to run it that way.

    • @phx@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      23 months ago

      A is much less of a pain than C. At least in most cases the plug pinches into the outlet and stays in place.

      I’ve used C while traveling for my charger and The weight of a few cords wants to drag that fucker out every time.

      Also worth noting that A can come in the polarized (one plug slightly larger, fits one way) or non-polarised (doesn’t matter) variety.

    • @Revan343@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      13 months ago

      Why would they invented a plugs that’s not grounded?

      Because the importance of grounding was something we figured out after those plugs were invented?

  • @cynar@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    203 months ago

    Can I point out the UK BS1363 (type G) plug is the only one you can use to open a bottle of beer.

    I’m not sure what that says about the UK.

    • @barsoap@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      183 months ago

      German here. I’m absolutely positive I could open a beer with any of those plugs. And half of the sockets.

      • @cynar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        12
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        A fair point, but ours is practically a bottle opener. A lot easier after a few previous bottles.

    • @Taleya@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      54 months ago

      Eh, the fusing on the plug is a dealbreaker for me, especially with that load potential

      Other features are present in AU (three pin safety, switched outlets, etc)

      • @cynar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        93 months ago

        The fuse offers per device protection, as well as per room/area.

        E.g. you have a lamp that draws 1A. It’s cable is rated for 3A. It has a malfunction and starts drawing 10A. This won’t pop a breaker, but will overload the cable. Eventually it could catch fire from overheating. If it has a 3A slow blow fuse, it will kill the fuse before it kills the cable.

        It also helps to isolate problems rapidly to 1 device.

        • @Taleya@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          73 months ago

          yeah but the only reason it happened was because you use ring mains.

          aint’ nothing going to convince me that shit belongs in the 21st century.

          • @cynar@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            43 months ago

            The ring main was the impetus for it. However it allows for safe down rating at the plug. My lamps don’t need 13A flex. If the only safety system is a 13A breaker, then you’re stuck with it, or risking a cable overload

      • @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        7
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        What? You’re against a fuse in the plug? So you’d rather the circuit breaker cuts off everything if one thing fails?

        Edit: After searching online it’s not even a debate. The UK has the best plugs.

        Germany and Australia also have highly regarded plugs but still ranked 2 and 3 respectively.

        • Daeraxa
          link
          fedilink
          English
          54 months ago

          We have fuses are only a requirement for our ring main system though, most countries dont use that.

            • Daeraxa
              link
              fedilink
              English
              33 months ago

              As I understand it, just a portion. So where we tend to have breakers for something like, downstairs sockets, upstairs sockets, downstairs lights, upstairs lights, cooker etc. they would have it broken down far more granularly so maybe a single room or even multiple breakers for a single room and limited to much lower currents. Like our breakers are for 32 amps generally, theirs might be 16 or lower.

              • @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
                link
                fedilink
                English
                23 months ago

                Thank you for answering my curiosity.

                I still don’t see how that would be better than fused plugs where only the device will go off, even if it was more granular I wouldn’t want the whole room to cut off just because one thing failed. I’m not an electrician so obviously don’t know the intricacies of it all, just every time I’ve seen plugs discussed ours are top.

        • @Taleya@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          1
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          Ok. What happens if you pull 15amp load on a 10a circuit?

          Edit sksksk you really didn’t like that question, huh?

    • @ManixT@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      23 months ago

      They are extremely sturdy and safe, but they are too large and unwieldy. Infinitely better than the schuko plug though. No idea what kind of insane people thought a circular plug that has to be plugged in one direction a good idea. Always fun to spin around your plug hoping your prongs are lined up.

      • @kshade@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        5
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        a circular plug that has to be plugged in one direction

        Two directions since it’s reversible, unlike Type G. Also the guides on the left and right help a lot with alignment. But none of these are perfect, really. If Type L was recessed and had shorter prongs then maybe…

        Or just standardize USB-AC.

  • @Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    14
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    What we really need is a USB-C-style reversible plug with data and variable voltage where neutral and phase never reverse and earth is always there.

    Lacking that, I vote for Type N because it’s small, polarised, and the pins are halfway-insulated. I don’t like that the frame is symmetrical, so in the dark, the only way to tell which way to plug in is to feel the pins and the holes, same as USB-A. I reject all that hurt to step on.

  • @erp@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    133 months ago

    Type B seen some shit, and it is probably Type-I’s fault. Regardless, I want whatever life strategy Type-K’s figured out.