Windows 10 has support into next year. Personally I use Linux and Windows but I’m sticking with gaming on Windows until support runs out. I think next year will be the year of linux
If a FREE option that claims to be more efficient/faster (but usually isn’t in real life) is less than 2% of the market, something is wrong. Very, very wrong. Since when do people turn down free stuff, unless that free item is that bad?
Because the vast majority of computers come with Windows preinstalled, and the vast majority of users can’t be bothered to update their OS unless they’re forced, let alone reinstall something else. I’m fairly certain the numbers would be very different if there were a significant number of blank laptops on the market, let alone ones shipped with Linux.
I’m 100% certain there would be little difference because people need an OS that can run the software that they want, and just as importantly they need to be able to actually install and use it and Linux has never even tried to make that process anything but a nightmare. And I’ll stop you right there with your various flavors of Mint or Ubuntu or Elementary or the dozens of other distros. Users don’t care about endlessly tinkering. They want something that just works. Linux doesn’t offer that.
But if you turn to science / engineering software, most stuff will work out of the box on Linux/ Mac, but is a pain in the ass to set up on Windows. Ease of installing software isn’t an OS thing; it depends on the developer of the software in question.
That’s simply not true. The vast majority of CAD, CFD and FEA software is run on Windows (with many not even having Linux versions) and that has been the case for decades. The installation process on Windows is almost universally a straightforward process, and the times it isn’t, is usually because that software has (or had) Unix roots from ages ago and the clunky nature of anything related to Unix comes through.
CAD is an exception, yes. Also a lot of stuff related to commercial aviation, because of the regulations. I was talking about comp sci, statistics, big data etc.
that software has (or had) Unix roots from ages ago and the clunky nature of anything related to Unix comes through.
It’s the other way around. It is extremely easy to make simple UNIX scripts. And it is extremely easy to string together a bunch of such simple scripts to make larger software. Windows does not follow the UNIX philosophy, making it difficult for different programmes to talk to each other.
Someone’s been feeding you bullshit.
I’m talking from personal experience. I write R, python and bash scripts to take data from machines, analyse it and draw graphs and charts based on it. I use three languages and multiple machines. But thanks to the UNIX emphasis on modularity, I can connect all of this into one automated pipeline. And if tomorrow one machine is replaced, I will only have to change a few lines of the script, again thanks to modularity.
Don’t get me wrong, Windows has its advantages - better gaming support, ‘safety rails’ that prevent you nuking your system, better drivers for peripherals, and so on. But software installation is not one of them.
Lol steam Deck is already on the edge of not being able to play new AAA console titles. There will be a few ten thousand left who will feel like there is value in buying a second.
This is the new Steam Link. They’ve probably lost millions internally.
Maybe 10 years from now if they keep pumping massive money into it but it’s certainly not even close to comedically viable.
Valve sold out of steam decks for multiple production runs now. And other companies are now investing in handhelds after seeing the success of it. Steams intention with the Deck was to kick start the handhelds market and make SteamOS the default operating system for that form factor. I don’t know if they profit from the deck directly but i definitely have bought more games since owning one.
Not to mention that most people have a favorite game they go back to that runs on older hardware, AAA certainly makes up a very small percentage of my gameplay
tbh most AAA game are not worth playing the last AAA game i bought was cyberpunk. i’d rather get a game with good performance, gameplay and story than one that just looks pretty and is buggy as hell
If you try to run any new AAA title on any current handheld you’re going to have a bad time and bad battery life IMO. I think you could even extend this to modestly old gaming rigs that already struggle badly with poorly optimised new titles.
I see the Deck praised often for its emulation capabilities and indie game performance - and to be honest those aspects are appealing enough to me if I was interested in buying another portable computer.
This is the new Steam Link
Out of curiosity, what makes you think this?
I doubt this is the case as thin client gaming accessories are a very niche product, and the Deck hardware is grossly overqualified in this regard IMO
It’s always hilarious when kids with no knowledge talk about Valve’s hardware. Like… none of it has ever been developed to make money. Steam makes so goddamn much money they’re literally just pissing around with R&D because it’s fun.
Kick them from Windows? You mean “piss off literally every game developer, publisher, and player to the point of antitrust lawsuits from multiple entities.”
But go on being literally insane with conspiracy horseshit.
Anything I have a challenge running at a good frame rate, I’ll just locally stream from my PC. 60fps all day long with the power of anything my PC can run. Don’t sleep on that local game streaming, super handy and sips power.
Oh and I guess steam has also been carefully cultivating their own IP, studios, and games for the past 40 years to ensure a steady supply of the new stuff right? Right?
Because even I hear someone gushing over their switch it’s because they are playing some 4 year old game that finally made it there and it’s definitely not titles like Mario or Zelda.
What the fuck does any of that have to do with running AAA games?
The Deck is not competing with consoles, genius. Unless you’re so stuck in early 2000’s fashion that you pants are so ginormously huge that you can fit a PS5 and TV in them.
Yeah! That thing almost nobody touches because it’s literally just there to run a proprietary storefront and act as a translation layer for games is totally going to win the desktop!
Even if it’s Steam Deck, this just goes to show that desktop Linux is totally viable; it just needs more commitment from companies
Maybe this is the year for desktop Linux!
Man I remember when KDE came out and us young naive kids thought “this is it… It’s virtually identical to win95/98… But without the bsod”
I feel old.
It definitely is! Now I feel silly for calling it a year early, last year.
Windows 10 has support into next year. Personally I use Linux and Windows but I’m sticking with gaming on Windows until support runs out. I think next year will be the year of linux
A stable ABI wouldn’t hurt either though
… Yes, but realistically the work to make the Linux ABI “more stable” can probably go to use elsewhere
I think this shows the opposite.
If a FREE option that claims to be more efficient/faster (but usually isn’t in real life) is less than 2% of the market, something is wrong. Very, very wrong. Since when do people turn down free stuff, unless that free item is that bad?
Because the vast majority of computers come with Windows preinstalled, and the vast majority of users can’t be bothered to update their OS unless they’re forced, let alone reinstall something else. I’m fairly certain the numbers would be very different if there were a significant number of blank laptops on the market, let alone ones shipped with Linux.
I’m 100% certain there would be little difference because people need an OS that can run the software that they want, and just as importantly they need to be able to actually install and use it and Linux has never even tried to make that process anything but a nightmare. And I’ll stop you right there with your various flavors of Mint or Ubuntu or Elementary or the dozens of other distros. Users don’t care about endlessly tinkering. They want something that just works. Linux doesn’t offer that.
But if you turn to science / engineering software, most stuff will work out of the box on Linux/ Mac, but is a pain in the ass to set up on Windows. Ease of installing software isn’t an OS thing; it depends on the developer of the software in question.
That’s simply not true. The vast majority of CAD, CFD and FEA software is run on Windows (with many not even having Linux versions) and that has been the case for decades. The installation process on Windows is almost universally a straightforward process, and the times it isn’t, is usually because that software has (or had) Unix roots from ages ago and the clunky nature of anything related to Unix comes through.
Someone’s been feeding you bullshit.
CAD is an exception, yes. Also a lot of stuff related to commercial aviation, because of the regulations. I was talking about comp sci, statistics, big data etc.
It’s the other way around. It is extremely easy to make simple UNIX scripts. And it is extremely easy to string together a bunch of such simple scripts to make larger software. Windows does not follow the UNIX philosophy, making it difficult for different programmes to talk to each other.
I’m talking from personal experience. I write R, python and bash scripts to take data from machines, analyse it and draw graphs and charts based on it. I use three languages and multiple machines. But thanks to the UNIX emphasis on modularity, I can connect all of this into one automated pipeline. And if tomorrow one machine is replaced, I will only have to change a few lines of the script, again thanks to modularity.
Don’t get me wrong, Windows has its advantages - better gaming support, ‘safety rails’ that prevent you nuking your system, better drivers for peripherals, and so on. But software installation is not one of them.
Lol steam Deck is already on the edge of not being able to play new AAA console titles. There will be a few ten thousand left who will feel like there is value in buying a second.
This is the new Steam Link. They’ve probably lost millions internally.
Maybe 10 years from now if they keep pumping massive money into it but it’s certainly not even close to comedically viable.
Valve sold out of steam decks for multiple production runs now. And other companies are now investing in handhelds after seeing the success of it. Steams intention with the Deck was to kick start the handhelds market and make SteamOS the default operating system for that form factor. I don’t know if they profit from the deck directly but i definitely have bought more games since owning one.
Not to mention that most people have a favorite game they go back to that runs on older hardware, AAA certainly makes up a very small percentage of my gameplay
tbh most AAA game are not worth playing the last AAA game i bought was cyberpunk. i’d rather get a game with good performance, gameplay and story than one that just looks pretty and is buggy as hell
I dunno if it’s because i played cyberpunk later than everyone else or something but i quite liked it
it seems i got really lucky i played it at release and had bearly any bugs and since i don’t jump onto the hypetrain i to enjoyed it
If you try to run any new AAA title on any current handheld you’re going to have a bad time and bad battery life IMO. I think you could even extend this to modestly old gaming rigs that already struggle badly with poorly optimised new titles.
I see the Deck praised often for its emulation capabilities and indie game performance - and to be honest those aspects are appealing enough to me if I was interested in buying another portable computer.
Out of curiosity, what makes you think this?
I doubt this is the case as thin client gaming accessories are a very niche product, and the Deck hardware is grossly overqualified in this regard IMO
It’s always hilarious when kids with no knowledge talk about Valve’s hardware. Like… none of it has ever been developed to make money. Steam makes so goddamn much money they’re literally just pissing around with R&D because it’s fun.
@CapraObscura @lemann
No, the #steam deck is just an attempt to secure their longevity if #Microsoft tries to kick them from #windows.
The steam deck is also a way to get people to buy more games.
Kick them from Windows? You mean “piss off literally every game developer, publisher, and player to the point of antitrust lawsuits from multiple entities.”
But go on being literally insane with conspiracy horseshit.
@CapraObscura
I am not saying that it is likely. But Microsoft is trying to push their own store fronts quite heavily.
Besides, valve has been trying to push linux for a long time. Remember the steam machines?
Being the best OS for gaming gives Microsoft a lot of power.
Anything I have a challenge running at a good frame rate, I’ll just locally stream from my PC. 60fps all day long with the power of anything my PC can run. Don’t sleep on that local game streaming, super handy and sips power.
You mean like those AAA titles the fucking Switch can’t run?
That’s literally the only thing close to competition that the Deck has, and it skullfucks it in terms of horsepower.
Oh and I guess steam has also been carefully cultivating their own IP, studios, and games for the past 40 years to ensure a steady supply of the new stuff right? Right?
Because even I hear someone gushing over their switch it’s because they are playing some 4 year old game that finally made it there and it’s definitely not titles like Mario or Zelda.
What the fuck does any of that have to do with running AAA games?
The Deck is not competing with consoles, genius. Unless you’re so stuck in early 2000’s fashion that you pants are so ginormously huge that you can fit a PS5 and TV in them.
Stay on topic or piss off.
@CapraObscura @EatMyDick
It has those windows portables (I am blanking on the company name) but those also have way worse battery life.
Asus ROG Ally is a prime example. Excellent Windows 11 no BS experience with about 30 mins of playtime on battery.
Yeah! That thing almost nobody touches because it’s literally just there to run a proprietary storefront and act as a translation layer for games is totally going to win the desktop!
Just next year!
For the last twenty-five years or so.
The biggest of big tech refuses to accept Linux as a desktop OS. They need to port their software for Linux to get people over.