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Apple still giving software support to the iPhone 8, released almost 6 years ago. Is there currently another company still pushing updates to a phone that old?
A PC from 2003 still runs a modern OS. No Apple isn’t the good guy, other companies are just even cheaper.
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It doesn’t get slow. Modern software just gets better resulting in more powerful hardware needed which results in older hardware feeling slow.
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You’re correct but you get what I was trying to say.
That 2003 PC probably does not receive firmware updates from the manufacturer, and hasn’t for over a decade.
It might still function, but that doesn’t mean it is still supported. At this point, many operating systems won’t even install due to the x86-64bit requirements.
None of that matters. No company can say what your hardware can do. Apple’s policies are disgustingly anti-user.
Nothing else matters except privacy and security for me. Apple provides that in their phones.
PCs from 2003 are full of vulnerabilities, use legacy instruction sets, lack power efficiency, lack manufacture support, do not support UEFI, have no IOMMU hardware isolation, have no modern VM capabilities, probably have no TPM, etc etc etc.
If Apple is anti-user, then we need to also start blaming every single hardware manufacturer that doesnt support their products anymore. Manufacturers of phones, motherboards, TVs, SSDs, displays, mice, keyboards, printers, network equipment, etc etc etc.
Nobody is forcing you to use an old PC. Others exist, the poor, who need affordable computers that last.
Ok then those that can’t afford Apple can shop other brands. They just won’t get the Apple support, and will have to rely on community efforts to keep their machines running.
What exactly do you want Apple to do here?
Can it run Windows 11 with that tpm or whatever it was called requirement?
It can always run Linux
Some very minimal versions of Linux.
And I’m sure an old iPhone can run some jailbroken shit as well. So afaic there’s little argumentative difference.
It can run a very competent desktop. The hard things to run are web browsers.
Why would you run windows when there’s better operating systems for free?
I’ve got arch on a laptop. It’s fun for ricing and all but Windows is so much easier from a user standpoint.
There’s a reason Linux makes up only 1.2% of OS’s used, maybe next year will be the “year of Linux” and everything will suddenly work and support all software but until than I’ll use the “worse” OS daily.
Bro, you’re talking about Arch. No duh it isn’t user friendly—it isn’t designed to be. If you’re going to compare Windows to Linux, the only fair comparison would be to Ubuntu or Linux Mint or something else designed for the people outside of the tech-illuminati.
I’ve used many distros before, don’t try to pretend it’s only this distro holding Linux back.
Linux is just not there. No one wants to deal with compiling from source, worrying about dependencies, and all that other shit that makes software such a fucking pain in the arse.
With Windows you have the worlds largest selection of software and it largely continues to work 20+ years after release for many apps.
No of course not. Thankfully open hardware means no company dictates it alone.
If you use Rufus you can remove that and all other hardware requirements and install 11 on much older computers than Microsoft intended.
My 6s still gets software support, does it run the latest OS? No, of course not and nor should it. But Apple is still supporting/supplying my old ass iPhone general software/security updates. It’s in a company’s best interest to get customers to purchase their latest products but that shouldn’t undercut their commitment to their older products. I have stayed an Apple customer not because of their new products but because of the longevity of their old products/ support for said products.
Is that an argument in favor of glued-in batteries, though? A lot of users’ phones aren’t going to make it for six years if it’s non-trivial (or impossible) to swap out the battery for a new one.
It uses pull-tab adhesive, which even most Right-to-Repair advocates consider ‘sufficiently repairable’. When it comes to glue, Samsung’s worse by a mile.
The battery is replaceable. Take it to any Apple Store and they’ll swap it for you for $89 or so. The adhesive is kind of like what they use on those 3m command strips.
If you think paying a third or even half of the current value of your phone to replace its battery is okay…well that’s your loss I guess.
You can’t call a device sustainable when the cost to repair it is more than what most people are willing to pay.
I’m not aware of a brand new iPhone that costs $170. For me it was worth the $80 or so to have it swapped and extend the life of my phone another six years. Cheaper than buying another phone.
I’m not aware of a brand new iPhone that costs $170
Why would you be replacing the battery of a brand new iPhone? I am talking about the cost of an iPhone when its old enough that its battery is giving out. The value of that old iPhone is not as much as a brand new one. Deprecation is a thing. Spending $80 bucks on something that’s currently worth $170 is just stupid. $80 bucks is easily in the price range that makes people consider whether it’d be better off for them to put that towards a new phone. It’s a lot of money to sink into an old device that you know is already about to become obsolete.
This just seems like arguing for the sake of arguing. I just replaced my battery for shy of $50 which is a bit much but I lazied out on the ifixit kit.
Yes it’s like taking your $500 beater car to the mechanic and they tell you it’ll cost $3000 to get it running again but with no guarantee for how long.
The most sustainable phone is the one you already own
and that’s coming from Fairphone, a company that sells more sustainable devices. Imagine the footprint of other brands.
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We need to take a page from the EU and force this stuff to happen by law. Expecting for-profit businesses to do anything they’re not legally required to is simply naive.
I live in the EU and I even wish for a bit more aggressiveness regarding laws like this. It’s a very slow moving machine, but I feel like it does have the ability to create change.
It 100% does! The next iPhones will have USB-C in them, and that’s not because Apple thinks it’s time to deprecate Lightning. They love their proprietary USB 2 connection! They were forced to upgrade, and you did that!
Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if instead of going USB-C, they just went full wireless charging…because Apple can’t be arsed to make their products integrate well with others and they’ll find every conceivable way to avoid doing so.
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iPhone batteries are already pretty easy to replace. I’ve done it dozens of times for several different models. It requires two screws, a bit of heat and a suction cup, then a couple more screws and some pull tabs. Usually takes under 30 minutes to do.
I don’t know how you could make it much easier while keeping the waterproofing. Rossman is a highly opinionated guy and I appreciate his advocacy, but he also makes no attempt to be fair to the product designers and is very biased.
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The Galaxy S5 also had atrocious build quality and never really held up to water like advertised. Very shitty phone.
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My main issues with it really are the build quality. Mostly plastic.
What’s wrong with plastic other than marketing people telling you it isn’t ‘premium?’ If you want to talk about shitty build quality, how about modern phones that are completely encased in fragile glass and must be kept in a case? I rocked my plastic/aluminum Note 4 for 5 years without a case. I still own it, in fact, 8 years later and it still works great because it’s made out of durable materials just like the S5 that I owned before it was.
Don’t forget, the Note4 even had a fairly easy to replace aluminum outer frame/bumper.
I rock my glass iPhone with no case and it’s held up to several drops with no cracks
Unless you possess the powers of alchemy, it’ll never be stronger than the more durable and premium plastic and metal constructed phones.
I really don’t understand the issue with this, at all. Plastic saves on costs, and is more durable than glass. I genuinely couldn’t care less as long as the screen itself is glass (which the S5 screen was glass).
There is good plastic and bad plastic. Samsung has always made shitty phones but the S5 was made of some seriously thin, chrome-covered toy-grade junk. The S6 and beyond stepped up the hardware quality a lot. Phone didn’t creak in your hand etc
If Fairphone can do it, I would think a company valued at like 3 Trillion dollars could do it…
Fairphone 4 isn’t IP68 though, it’s IP54. I personally don’t care much about waterproof vs water resistent, but let’s not pretend these two ratings are identical.
Yeah well, my dad’s phone is an IP69 and it can beat up your dad’s phone
It’s not as waterproof as the iPhone. Also likely made of entirely different materials.
The main thing for me is the quality of the pull tabs. It might partly be a skill issue but in my experience they break 3 out of 4 times, and then it transforms into a miserable experience. I’ve changed iPhone batteries maybe 6 or 7 times now and I’ve never managed to get better at it, even by being super careful.
They need to find a better system to stick those batteries, at this point I’m convinced pull tabs are terrible by choice.
I’ve never had this issue, but I pull them pretty slowly
I’ve had lots of luck removing them, but I’m usually very patient with the pull. Slow, relatively level pulling with the end wrapped around my tweezers twice always seems to work. I think I’ve only snapped one out of dozens, and a dropper of IPA dissolved the adhesive in a couple seconds, so it wasn’t that big an inconvenience in the end.
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Louis Rossman is a pile of BS.
Some elaboration might be needed.
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I think that’s how New Yorkers say “Hello” to each other.
Doesn’t this guy own a phone repair company, and so would have a lot of interest in making an argument for that?
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…So he wants to expand into phones. And I wouldn’t, I just don’t like when guys pretend they’re not doing the exact thing apple is doing.
Have you considered he opened a repair store cause he’s sick of the bullshit consumerism and irreparable devices
He didn’t open a business to make money? So it’s a non-profit?
By your logic, any business is evil because they make money and exploit the customer. Now you win the argument, go home.
I never said it’s evil, I just don’t like when dudes pretend they’re not doing the same thing apple is
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Any business is evil*
*Except apple \s
I used to watch his content a couple of years ago and I remember him saying multiple times that he reaches his goal if he goes out of buisness. Devices being so easy to repair, that his services are no longer needed would be a reason he’ll gladly accpect as a failure of his buisness. I haven’t watched him in a while so I’m not sure whether he still holds that opinion. But given that the laptops, phones and harddrives waiting for repair where literary piling up in his workshop, it’s more likely that his shop burns down than him running out of customers. What he lacks is time, and skilled workers to fullfill orders, which are much harder to come by than broken electronics.
It’s not profit if it’s his own wages
No. Hadn’t considered that at all. I had thought about how he opened a business to make money though.
this guy just wants to help you replace parts of your phone instead of your whole phone
I don’t see the issue
Have you come across Louis Rossmann online before?
No, he used to do phones a long time ago though iirc. He’s repeatedly said he doesn’t want to get back into phone repair because there’s no margin.
It’s the opposite for his business. His business become useless if people can replace batteries by themselves what the EU rule states.
Are you under the impression everyone changes their own cars oil
Cars oil need more steps than removing the back of a phone and place a new battery.
Even so, what the problem with that? He advocate and put a lot of effort to change repairability and is beneficial to a lot of people, the Apple side of repairability is beneficial for whom?
Every time I see Rossman’s face he is butthurt about Apple. I don’t know if it’s just the reporting or does he ignore issues presented by other manufacturers
He has been running a repair shop for apple products for a decade. So he is more knowledgeable about them as well as more affected by their choices regarding repairability.
He does often mention that others do it too, and has videos about other companies like Samsung, or camera companies, just not nearly as much.
Apple isn’t perfect, but they are a great target to get clicks. I’ve been repairing phones, as a charity for kids in need for years, and they can be annoying to fix but they’re way more straightforward than most Android phones. Parts are usually really cheap and easy to find too.
He should be going after the $300 Android phone that is made to be disposable and is basically unrepairable. I don’t even bother with those anymore.
If you watched any of his videos you’d know the answer and you wouldn’t have made this comment.
I don’t and I did. What’s your point? I’m not gonna watch some YouTuber I’m not interested in just to find out if he is butthurt about other things than
Does anyone know if he really uninstalled GrapheneOS of his device after the disagreement with Daniel Micay (former lead developer of GrapheneOS Project ) or it was just a clickbait?
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