cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/3376057

I held off on Windows 10 for as long as I could until my job required it. Now this nonsense. I hope this isn’t the start of them joining on the web DRM bandwagon.

  • frippa@lemmy.ml
    128·
    1 year ago

    Fuck Adobe, not supporting Linux, and now not even supporting Firefox, the once most used browser? Whoever pirates their crappy software deserves a statue.

          • wvstolzing@lemmy.ml
            15·
            1 year ago

            The pdf standard is open, though criminally bloated. Their pdf software (‘pro’ as well as the freemium ‘reader’ which looks like adware nowadays) is used only because it’s the most lenient with respect to files barely complying with the ‘standard’ – which includes things like application forms from government agencies.

            … that is, if they can be said to ‘own’ the pdf format, it’s only because they smeared it all over with their shit. A bit like how hippos mark their territory, I guess.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                5·
                1 year ago

                Yup, I know Okular (KDE’s PDF tool) at least works. I don’t know if it works on Windows or macOS, but I’m sure there are other tools that do.

                • wanderingmagus@lemm.ee
                  4·
                  1 year ago

                  Thanks! I’ll look it up and try it out. Getting real tired of having to use shady web apps to get around something I have to do regularly as part of my job but for some unfathomable reason isn’t a default app on every computer where I work.

  • HiddenLayer5@lemmy.mlEnglish
    125·
    1 year ago

    “Whoa there!”

    Go fuck yourself with that fellow kids corporate speak. That pisses me off so much, way more than it probably should.

  • onlooker@lemmy.ml
    85·
    1 year ago

    Any software company that uses monthly subscriptions as their business model can fuck right off. Let us own what we buy.

    • EonNShadow@pawb.social
      14·
      1 year ago

      Unfortunately they’re still a default app in the business world. Basically everyone at least uses Reader if only because it’s what people expect when they open a PDF.

  • finder@sopuli.xyz
    67·
    1 year ago

    Are we surprised that Adobe is doing this? Adobe is exactly who I would’ve suspected adapting this bullshit immediately.

  • Moonrise2473@feddit.it
    65·
    1 year ago

    This is the main issue with that web DRM “security” shit that Google is trying to push. They have such a great market share now that big websites can now afford to put a check “only for Chrome” losing a very small percentage of users

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
      12·
      1 year ago

      Not that the DRM thing isn’t going to fuel this behaviour but this is already possible with the current browser specs. The DRM shit will just make it worse.

    • CuriousGoo@beehaw.org
      1·
      1 year ago

      This very small percentage of users anyway would be privy to alternative to Adobe’s stack ?

      Concern will perhaps be mainly for getting new users on FF/other browsers from Chromium.

    • Matengor@lemmy.ml
      18·
      1 year ago

      I tried Gimp for a longer time, too, but I could not get used to the complicated layer management, missing layer effects & layer adjustment features. I will try out Affinity.

    • Efwis@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      Huge learning curve and a lot of missing features.

      I have found most of the “high learning curve” is based more on work flow. Muscle memory can screw with you when trying to learn a new piece of software. I used to use Dreamweaver back in the day when I was on winblows, made the switch to Linux started using bluefish and had to change my work flow which was hard to learn because I was indoctrinated in the way dreamweaver worked. Actually had to relearn some aspects of web design since I had gotten used to the convenience of dreamweavers macros that were pre-installed

    • swellow the sun@lemmy.sdfeu.orgEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      It’s not an one-time purchase. I bought Affinity Photo for this purpose and then they released Affinity 2, and it wasn’t a free upgrade for Affinity 1 owners.

      I’m not buying Affinity 2 and buying every new release just like Parallels do. I’d rather stick with the old version or take a shot on Gimp instead.

        • fuzzzerd@programming.dev
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes you can. Paying for a major upgraded version is the alternative to an evergreen subscription, but allows you to milk more usage out of your purchase if you don’t need the latest and greatest.

          Expecting a one time purchase to entitle you to updates forever is asinine.

    • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      I haven’t checked, but I’d guess it’s because of some non-standard feature that only Chromium supports, not because of user-agent.

      • 6xpipe_@lemmy.world
        13·
        1 year ago

        In my experience, companies typically use this message because they only officially support/test on the listed browsers. They block out any other browser to cut down on support emails. If you spoof your user agent so the site thinks you’re using a supported browser, somewhere between 95%-100% of the functionality will usually work just fine.

        • WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 year ago

          That’s what our devops team does. All of my company’s internal web apps are tested against chrome only and that’s all that’s supported. It will usually work with Firefox so it’s not a big deal unless you have an issue and they find out you’re not using Chrome.

        • deejay4am@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          Companies should test to open web standards and tell users to file a ticket with their browser devs if something breaks because of nonstandard behavior.

  • valkyre09@lemmy.world
    47·
    1 year ago

    Not supporting Firefox is WAY down the list of crimes Adobe has committed against their customers. I’m not all surprised by this post

  • BillTheTailor@lemmy.ml
    45·
    1 year ago

    There isn’t anything that Adobe charges money for that you can’t find an open source alternative.

    • Herr Woland@lemmy.world
      20·
      1 year ago

      No real replacement for After Effects unless if you want to juggle between 5 programs and then lose clients because they can’t open your project files

        • Herr Woland@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 year ago

          You can’t animate text on a video clip without spending a lot of time, something which is 2 clicks on after effects

          • PeleSpirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Fair point, Blender isn’t for the weak of heart but it’s free and getting better and better. It does particles and other things too. After Effects has a steep learning curve too though, you just know it.

            • Herr Woland@lemmy.world
              5·
              1 year ago

              I know, I love blender and work with it when I can, but I do motion design professionally and it’s painful how there’s no alternative to after effects

        • Olrn@feddit.de
          2·
          1 year ago

          We have to stop confusing compositing and motion design, Blender is great for compositing, absolutely not 2D motion design. The only software that could efficiently replace After Effects on some aspects would be Cavalry, but it’s still on early development.

    • jetsetdorito@lemm.ee
      4·
      1 year ago

      Im REALLY trying to make myself learn Affinity Photo, but I just keep falling back to PhotoPea which is like an in browser Photoshop clone

          • Beliriel@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Wym not photo editing? You can do everything aswell in Krita. Changing hues, retouching, selection, layers, saturation, tone balance. All there.
            And you can most definitely use it for pixel art. Even if you don’t want to use Krita there exist paint.net, aseprite, piskel or pixelorama. No need for hundreds of dollars for PS.

            • tev@pawb.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              and if you don’t want to pay, you can always use libresprite instead of aesprite

        • PeleSpirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          Krita is awesome for tablet painting but it’s not that easy to use for photoshop type stuff, imo.

      • MusketeerX@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Got stuck in hospital for a few weeks recently and used the opportunity to finally learn Affinity.

        I’m now really liking it. Takes a few tries to get into it though.

        I particularly like it on the iPad with the Apple pencil. A bit less so on my windows laptop.

  • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    1 year ago

    “I held off on Windows 10 for as long as I could until my job required it.”

    Good, users like you are the reason ransomware happens. Fucking update your shit. Windows 7 isn’t secure anymore.

    • sp00nix@lemmy.ml
      11·
      1 year ago

      I don’t even understand the hate. It works well, stable, fast and pretty decent on RAM. Even early on I haven’t had any major issues.

      • StuckInAWell@lemmy.world
        14·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, I’m generally an early adopter of software, even installed XP media center edition and Win 8 as soon as they were available through the volume licensing center. I’ve never understood the hate around 10 or 11 on the whole. Yes they have a few frustrating aspects, but overall, they’re significant improvements. I occasionally use a win 10 device at work, and it feels clunkier than 11 now. 7 was great, but it isn’t worth compromising an entire network for.

      • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        1 year ago

        “Held off” doesn’t really sound like he switched from one to another, just like he’s holding out on updating the OS.

    • TeoTwawki@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I like how you just assumed win7.

      I held off to - when 7’s support ended I moved to 8.1 and used openshell to make it look like 7. When 8.1 support ended I moved to 10 finally. I have to stay on a supported os for security and compliamce, but I make my employer pay for the upgrades and I don’t rush to the latest version - as long as its still supported I’m not moving.

      I have a light at the end of the tunnel tho. My work tools are getting official linux versions. My work laptop has been windows but my home desktop has been linux. I may be able to drop windows entirely soon.

      Edit: “he didn’t upgrade AND he disagreed with our hive minds opinion! Quick downvote!” How about you just Go back to reddit losers.

      • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Of course I assumed windows 7, no one liked Windows 8/8.1

        I’d wouldn’t blame anyone for skipping right over it to 10, it’s what I did. We are all required to run 11 now but 10 is still fine from a security posture at the moment in my opinion.

        I’m not security, just a network engineer with a background in security auditing, so I could have out of date info on 10 still being safe, but it still gets updates at least.

    • TeepoPeeto@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      Fuck your judgemental horseshit. Enjoy your loss of ownership and telemetry laiden trash.

      I use arch btw.

      /s but seriously “held off” doesn’t mean “kept using aftsr end of service” like you assumed. Lots of people waited till 7’s end of life to switch.

      • Isho'ye@mastodon.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        @TeepoPeeto @c0mbatbag3l Stuck with Win2k from 1999-2010, was forced onto XP when stuff like games wouldn’t install because 2k didn’t have Windows Firewall. Never mind the PC already had a decent firewall (think it was atGuard).

        Still use Win7, in a VM, as it’s where my 🏴‍☠️ Adobe products run.