• TimeSquirrel
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    892 months ago

    I mean it’s also socialist, with how it’s developed and distributed. Despite capitalists making use of it too. It’s one of the few things in this world the people truly own collectively.

    • JustEnoughDucks
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      Capitalists making use of and profiting from socialist programs and structure is a tale as old as capitalism.

      Pharma as an example. Crowdsourced research, government funding with money from the people only to be bought by a capitalist corpo where they do the last 10% of the work by industrialization, jack up the price by 1000x, and take 100% of the profits and don’t even pay back their fair share in taxes, and then get a state-sponsered monopoly for an outrageous period.

  • @mogoh@lemmy.ml
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    2025 would be the year of Linux, if we could finally agree, that:

    • Fedora,
    • rust,
    • systemd,
    • wayland,
    • pipewire,
    • gtk,
    • Gnome,
    • nano,
    • flatpak, and
    • light mode

    is the perfect stack of technology and configuration and that we do not need anything else. But no, you guys just had to disagree, and here we are …

    • The Hobbyist
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      912 months ago

      I’m with you all the way, really, except that, truly, KDE plasma and dark mode are the superior choices, obviously :)

      • @mogoh@lemmy.ml
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        282 months ago

        You have just single handedly chased away some potential Linux users and prevented Year of the Linux Desktop 2024! Just with that comment! I hope you are happy now!

      • Sunoc
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        142 months ago

        Better UI consistency. It’s always really annoying when you have your nice dark theme and a bright white page pops out of nowhere and fry your eyes.

        For ease on the eye, keep everything black on white, and turn down screen brightness if the environment is dark.

    • Krafty Kactus
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      202 months ago

      For most people yes. The only things I would say are more personal choices are nano, Gnome, and light mode

    • @pixelscript@lemm.ee
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      162 months ago

      Surprised how, of all the people who took the bait, not a single one of them complained about systemd.

      My beard isn’t long enough to have an opinion about systemd. All I know is all my homies hate systemd for some reason.

      • @ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social
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        A lot of complaints I’ve seen is that it’s bloated - it’s not only a system manager but also has a DNS relay, network manager, container manager, and so on.

        That said, codifying service startup and managing them with cgroups is IMO MUCH better than init scripts that think running killall apache is a good way to stop a service.

    • @kspatlas@lemm.ee
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      • openSUSE better
      • yes (zig is good too)
      • dinit
      • yes
      • yes
      • Qt
      • cosmic (when it’s done)
      • Emacs
      • flatpaks are good at their job, but I want system packages too
      • dark mode is infinitely better
    • Counterpoint it would be the year of the Linux desktop if we all agreed on

      • Artix
      • OpenRC
      • Wayland (but different implementation)
      • pulseaudio
      • non-gnome gtk
      • Hyprland
      • Vim
      • AUR
      • dark mode always
    • palordrolap
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      42 months ago

      nano with the new, alternative “GUI editor standard” keybinds or the old pico ones?

    • Sunoc
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      I beg to slightly differ, but it’s a good take overall:

      • Aeon Desktop or Fedora Silverblue, any sane immutable system, really
      • Zig + Rust + Scheme / Clojure
      • systemd,
      • wayland,
      • pipewire,
      • gtk,
      • Gnome,
      • nano / gedit / whatever y’all are using instead of glorious Emacs
      • flatpak,
      • distrobox
      • light mode
      • arthurpizza
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        52 months ago

        Oh! So close, Honey. We’re looking for vim and dark-mode. But thanks for playing.

    • @varjen@lemmy.world
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      I will switch to Gnome when it can handle multiple workspaces on multiple displays properly. The fact that I can’t have multiple independent workspaces for each display is a complete deal breaker for me.

  • Lettuce eat lettuce
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    In my experience, Linux folks are just happy to find each other in the wild.

    Hell, I’m just happy to meet people that are Linux-curious lol.

    It’s mostly online that the distro wars are fought.

    • @nullboi@lemmy.world
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      I’ve never met a linux enthusiast or even a user IRL. So at this point if I ever do, they will achieve best friend status off of that alone.

      So strange that an operating system has that affect on me

      • @Evkob@lemmy.ca
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        You never knowingly met a Linux user. Statistically speaking, you probably have.

        The issue is that OS-preference is not very common as a small talk topic. This is why you should name drop your fav distro in every conversation.

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          I have “rm -rf /” tattooed on my left arm. I’m hoping one day I hear someone say “Hey you forgot --no-presrve-root or /*”.

          Met one guy (my therapist weirdly enough) that knew it was a *nix command. That was pretty cool.

          • Lettuce eat lettuce
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            I’ve slowly been decorating my IT office with various Linux trinkets.

            I just got a foam stress “ball” Tux recently, and I plan on getting a Debian coffee mug, maybe some Linux/FOSS related stickers lol.

      • @Bronzie@sh.itjust.works
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        I got a colleague last year, but he is the only one.

        Super nice to have Proxmox/Docker/Portainer discussions at work.

        Hope you find a new best friend soon!

      • TimeSquirrel
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        It’s hard to overcome the Hurd problem though. Although it would be fascinating to see how it would diverge on the design of the Linux kernel. How much can you still act like Linux while not being Linux? Or would it just be a direct algorithmic translation, basically doing the same processes under the hood with the same architecture? I’m sure there’s more than a few things Linux is doing in C that the Rust compiler would frown upon.

        • @WalnutLum@lemmy.ml
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          Main issue is drivers. One of the best places to take advantage of rust’s memory safety is in hardware drivers, and those would be hard to share between separate kernels.

          That entire talk, and the complaint that Ts’o responded to was that to continue with rust, there needs to be some responsibility from the guys working on the underlying C bindings to not break downstream dependencies if they refactor code.

          The answer from some of the Kernel developers, and vocally by Ts’o was: lol no fuck you and your toy language.

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          Yeah. The idea of an automated C to Rust replacement of the Linux kernel is fascinating. As you say, there’s probably stuff in the Kernel that Rust’s compiler won’t allow.

          I imagine it wouldn’t work at all, out of the box, but it might reduce the cost curve enough to make a dedicated team of very clever engineers able to cross the last mile, given time.

          As cynical as I am of both Rust and AI generated code, it honestly feels like trying an automated conversion might be less of a long shot than expecting the existing Linux kernel developers to switch to Rust.

          And I’m sure a few would kick in some thought cycles if a promising Kernel clone could be generated. These are certainly interesting times.

  • @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
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    282 months ago

    They’re also similar in that if you tell them you use Linux but like Canonical and/or Lennart Poettering they’ll yell at you and call you all sorts of names but if you tell them you’re a Windows user they’ll leave you alone

    • @SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
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      Haha, how naive. Snap, systemd, desktop environments, immutable or not, the list goes on. Lots of linux people have strong opinions on some or all of them, myself included. Linux people will never stop arguing over all of those and that is fine. There is choice, there are options, there are different opinions and that is great.

  • @umbraroze@lemmy.world
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    Free Software is Leftism because it has got us great software and maybe the only bad thing I can say is that release schedules aren’t a thing

    Open Source is Capitalist Friendly because, ummmmm, extremely shitty Community Editions and putting everything cool in proprietary side, uhhhhh, random license changes to shit that isn’t actually OSD compliant, unghhhhhh, need of constant vigilance against license violations.

    Like I am happy cheap hardware vendors have adopted OSS components but why are they frequently so shitty about everything

  • @mrmanager@lemmy.today
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    I haven’t seen Linux users fights over distros… Ever. We just have lots of choices, and most of them are awesome.

    • @Sylvartas@lemmy.world
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      It’s not uncommon to see people expressing disdain for other distros. I feel like it’s tongue in cheek 99% of the time though

      • @mrmanager@lemmy.today
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        Haha yeah. Well I’m an arch user for at least a decade, and i saw manjaro come… It was very popular in the beginning. Then they started making strange decisions, but I think many people are still happy with it. Otherwise I think endevourOS is doing good. :)

    • @RetroSoul@lemmy.world
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      Nah it’s pretty common. Especially if someone brings up Gaming DistrosTM. You sometimes get passionate individuals that argue over them.

  • @21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com
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    32 months ago

    Was chilling with some friends of friends the other week and operating systems came up and one guy said he ran Ubuntu (I’m on KDE Neon) so we started chatting about that and a guy in the back seat said “Hey, aren’t you guys supposed to be fighting?”.