• capital@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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        And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

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            Me.

            And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

            You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

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              Ah, so what you mean is that it’s okay for the strong to take advantage of the weak when you’re the strong one.

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                Please define “take advantage of” in your comment. The entirety of my comments here have been in a self defense context. I don’t see how my owning and carrying a gun means I’m “taking advantage of” anyone.

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                  Interesting how you want me to define terms but haven’t defined them yourself.

                  You haven’t defined “the strong” or “the weak” or what you mean by “self-defense.”

                  Maybe start defining your terms first before you demand it of others.

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                    You’re shitting me, right?

                    In this thread where I describe my fucked up back, rating from the VA, my inability to win fistfights, my worry about my wife and daughter defending themselves from men. And you can’t figure out what I mean by “strong” and “weak”. Bullshit. But fuck it, let’s do this.

                    You haven’t defined “the strong” or “the weak”

                    Both of these are used to describe ones physical prowess in relation to the other. They’re relative. Someone “stronger” than me can overpower me through physical means and I would be helpless to defend against it, given no other tools.

                    or what you mean by “self-defense.”

                    I’ll just go with the dictionary on this one:

                    the act of defending oneself, one’s property, or a close relative

                    Now feel free to explain what you mean by “take advantage of” in the context of my using a gun to defend myself.

                    Edit: I just fucking knew I would go as far as to define these well-known words to get nothing in return. You can tell it was going that way this whole exchange.

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                No he’s saying that weapons permit people to be equally strong.

                Without weapons, big people get to control smaller people. With weapons, a person gets to modify their own susceptibility to being controlled.

                I’m guessing you’re a rather large person if you don’t understand this.

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                  And yet they said they would shoot a starving person breaking into their home to steal a loaf of bread. That doesn’t sound like ‘equally strong’ to me.

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      You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

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        You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

        And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

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        Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.

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          There’s also laws governing what constitutes theft. Your entire argument about needing a gun is dependent on people not following the law.

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            Yeah the people stealing shit are… different people and not me?

            What is your point?

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                I mean, I don’t require your trust.

                But consider the consequences if I misuse my gun. They’re quite a lot more serious than those caught stealing.

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                  But consider the consequences if I misuse my gun. They’re quite a lot more serious than those caught stealing.

                  I agree with you completely.

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                    I mean yeah. The thing about carrying a gun gun is that if you use it, you’re going to get arrested, probably. Even if it’s self defense.

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        There are a lot of disingenuous replies in this comment section but I’ll just go on explaining as if you actually don’t understand.

        The rating comment was meant to demonstrate that I am not at my peak physical condition and am more vulnerable than my outward appearance portrays.

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          What I mean is you participated in the military, therefore more likely to have skewed values in favour of “extended” srlf defense. Because the whole military justifies its endless butchery on rights of self defense and their ceaseless expansion.

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          People should be confined to boxes full of packing foam. This reduces the variable and permits police to control the situation more easily.