“Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025.”
“Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025.”
Narrowing down the options to apartheid/genocide and the abolition of the Jewish character of Israel. In other words killing off the last vestiges of a non-fascist version of Zionism that a “small Israel” could allow.
So, liberal Zionists: which side are you on?
Dude I gave up the moment I heard on the radio that the fucker killed Rabin. If you want to live in Zion move to New York.
…also, to the rest of the thread: If you think the US election was decided on Israel, please go outside and touch grass. Talk to people. You know, those flesh-and blood things usually found within metal containers on rubber circles that you rarely interact with. Ask them. Practically nobody in the US gives a fuck, and especially not enough of a fuck for it to be the #1 cause of things.
I am absolutely not a Zionist, but this is kind of a shitty thing to say.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/jew-york_n?tl=true
The answer to “if you want to live in Zion” is “too bad.”
New York is host to the second most populous Jewish community, after Tel Aviv, before Jerusalem. That’s a fact, not some antisemitic conspiracy theory.
And now you stand here, introducing a derogatory term because… noone said it? What’s your intention? Make it more popular? Imply that the sentiment against Jewish New York would be any worse than existing sentiment against Israel? One has quaint strings up power poles and plenty of bagels, the other a genocidal maniac and convicted terrorist as minister of national security, I don’t think there’s a competition to be had, there.
…or is it that you don’t want any more Jews in NYC?
I didn’t say that it was a conspiracy theory. I said suggesting that New York is “Zion” just because of its Jewish population is a bad thing to say and I showed you the reason why.
I’m a Jew. I’m a even mod of c/Jewish.
Nice try though.
…no you didn’t? You showed that there was a disparaging name for the Jewish community in New York. From that I infer your argument to be “NYC can’t be Zion because there exist at least some people that don’t like Jews to be there”, but, and you won’t believe this: There’s not a single place in the world where that’s not the case. Found a colony on Mars, it’d still be the case. It’s not a suitable way to judge a place’s suitability to be Zion. Few people being miffed at its existence, sure, but none? That’s just an impossible standard.
Okay, well I’m sorry I wasn’t clear, but the point is that suggesting New York is Zion for Jews when Christians exponentially outnumber them plays into conspiracy theory nonsense whether or not you intended it that way.
Maybe you don’t care you were saying something that could be taken as offensive by Jewish people, but it could.
…and different ethnicities outnumber Jews pretty much everywhere? Or is this about Wall Street? To that I have to say that I’m simply not antisemitic enough to even think about connecting the two, had to wreck my brain for a bit what you might be trying to get at. Certainly more (ethnically) Christian bankers there than Jewish ones.
(And just so you know where I’m coming from: German, grandpa was prosecuted as “half-Jew” (barely enough “German blood” to not end up in a camp, also, Lutheran, great-grandparents not so lucky), I have family in Israel. Long story short: Taking the lessons from my ancestry together, there can be no non-anti-fascist Zionism because fascism is a tragedy also for the perpetrators. There’d never be peace. hevenu_shalom_aleichem.opus)
I told you how what you are saying could be offensive to Jews. Either you care or you don’t. Apparently you don’t.
And I’m not very impressed with your ancestry. Let me know when someone looks at you and asks you why you support Israel because of your stereotypically Jewish features. Let me know when you walk by someone and they give a Nazi salute. And definitely tell me about the time when you were in high school and someone stole a book you were reading, drew a swastika on every page, then put it back in your backpack later that day.
Your little ‘hevenu shalom alecheim’ at the end there does not change the fact that what you said can be construed as offensive. This is some “I can tell racist jokes because my grandfather was half-black” territory.
You’re off your rocker mate. Being Jewish does not equal being a Zionist, and what does New York have to do with Zion? It’s like saying New York is Irish or Italian because they have big populations living there.
Bruh, fuck isreal and all but let’s not get antisemitic here.
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Legit. Fuck Israel. Fuck Zionism. Fuck apartheid. Fuck the genocide of Palestinians. But also fuck antisemitism.
It really is interesting to see how quickly seemingly normal folk fall into anti semitism the moment a group of Jewish folk do something terrible. It’s like they think that because we are shutting on a state that claims to be a Jewish ethno state that it’s valid to shit talk the entire race and religion.
Insidious really.
you’re right. it was decided on fear of immigrants, economic ignorance and selfish individualism.