A US official tells the BBC the mines will be given soon, as Russia advances steadily in the east.
  • drolex@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    23·
    4 days ago

    Ukraine has signed the Ottawa treaty that prohibits the use of mines. What consequences will that have on Ukraine and on the compliance of this kind of treaties by other signing countries?

    (Of course Russia and the US, being the large piles of shit they are regarding weapons industry, haven’t signed the treaty).

    • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      18·
      4 days ago

      Russia has shown that it breaks treaties whenever it sees fit. If Ukraine is to supposed to respect treaties, it needs to be supported to such an extend that it sees no need to break them.

    • 0x815@feddit.orgEnglish
      9·
      4 days ago

      Why is it that some people frequently say something that Ukraine has ‘signed treaties’, or ‘the West must not cross red lines’ …

      All this without naming the aggressor in this war which is Russia. Russia permanently violates airspace of Poland, Romania, Moldova. Russia deploys sabotage activities in multiple countries across Europe, in the North Sea, the Baltic Sea, espionage activities in the Irish Sea. Russia gets decisive support by China in its war in Ukraine. North Korea is sending troops. Iran has been sending drones.

      What consequences should that have on the compliance of treaties by countries, @drolex@sopuli.xyz?

    • ShadowRam@fedia.io
      7·
      4 days ago

      Yeah, that was my thought too…

      If they want to defend their country, even in victory… years of farmers and their families getting maimed and killed.

        • ShadowRam@fedia.io
          3·
          4 days ago

          perhaps… someone said a ‘battery’ runs out…

          I’m assuming they are loaded with high-order explosive, so a random foot or cultivating machine ‘shouldn’t’ set it off…

          Still I’d be hesitant,

          even their own troops could walk into it by accident,

          • Successful_Try543@feddit.orgEnglish
            3·
            4 days ago

            I only know of the AT2 anti vehicle mines from Bundeswehr. They disarm after an adjustable period of time, between 3 and 96 hours, by self detonation.

    • Maestro@fedia.io
      15·
      4 days ago

      These mines are battery-powered, and when it runs out, the mine cannot trigger. So demining is easier at least…

  • Aniki@feddit.orgEnglish
    10·
    4 days ago

    Just to remind you: Landmines are considered a war crime and should never be used. That is because they mostly do damage in the long-term, similar to nuclear fallout.

        • Skua@kbin.earth
          2·
          2 days ago

          The Ottawa Treaty attempted to get rid of them, but it’s essentially just a voluntary thing. Ukraine did sign up to it, but many of the world’s major military powers did not. Unfortunately Russia is among those that didn’t. Since Russia is mining the front anyway, there’s little benefit to Ukraine not doing so

          There is a small silver lining here - or a less dark patch of the cloud, maybe - in that modern mines are designed to make themselves inert or self destruct after a few weeks or months

    • misk@sopuli.xyzOPEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      War of aggression is a war crime, as are many things. Who’s going to uphold the law though?

  • pastermil@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7·
    3 days ago

    ITT: couch experts worrying about conventions and ethics while the people in question are literally fighting for their lives

    • johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      Landmines kill innocent people decades after the conflicts they were deployed in are over. So yeah, it’s fighting for their lives, too

      • Display name@feddit.nuEnglish
        3·
        4 days ago

        Ukraine has signed the Ottawa Treaty, banning the use of anti-personel landmines though. It’s imperative that they stick to it. Also it brings so much issues when the war is over, just look at Cambodia

        • Benjaben@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 days ago

          I’m not arguing for the use of land mines here (too destructive to civilians), but what’s your argument for the following?

          It’s imperative that they stick to it [the treaty]

          Sincere question, why? They’re being invaded by an enemy that does not accept surrender / treat POWs properly (or even as humans), and which frequently commits atrocities on civilian populations in occupied areas. Even if you accept that some conduct is unacceptable even in defense of one’s home, what about when you know the invaders are going to rape, torture, and kill women and children?

          Why do they need to follow “the rules”? Or ANY rules? What’s worse than what is being inflicted on their innocent people?

        • Slotos@feddit.nlEnglish
          4·
          4 days ago

          Letting Russia win introduces continuous genocide and forced conscription for war against EU states issue. Pick your poison.

          • Display name@feddit.nuEnglish
            3·
            4 days ago

            Abstaining from using illegal weapons is not decisive for the outcome of the war. Ukraine should receive more legal weapons and have no constraints on using them. That is the poison to pick.