This Mace lady will do anything for attention. She once spray painted her own sidewalk to create a false flag antifa harassment narrative.
I’d love for a bearded trans man to walk in there, look her dead in the eye and tell her not to worry, he has a vagina.
The law binds but does not protect us.
This is messed up. Do they not want trans people to use any bathrooms?
They’d really just prefer it if we didn’t exist
Hot take I know, but that’s a bit fucked
Correct, the goal is to eliminate trans people from public life.
They literally want trans genocide.
This is messed up. Do they not want trans people
No, no they do not.
Republicans will use anything to generate outrage and distract from the constant war they wage on the working class
The biggest winners of this US elections are the corporations
we’ll see. Media companies, gas companies and private prisons for sure win here, other corporations may suffer if they enact most of these policies:
Invading cities with the US military will destroy real estate markets. My guess is this is a bluff.
Rounding up immigrants (lets not pretend they’ll be checking documents) will destroy agricultural corps and one of the US’ largest exports
Tariffs will drastically damage consumer spending and costs for electronics (which will indirectly hike data center costs).
Tax cuts will radically increase inflation again.
I know it’s not a very hip position right now but I think the incoming administration will turn out to be mostly hype. They’ll get bogged down trying to get the blue states to comply with some insane piece of legislation on something with no federal jurisdiction, and blame their failure to do anything on that.
I’m sorry, but that sounds like copium to me. Why would this fascist authoritarian regime be less successful than all of the other big fascist authoritarian regimes in history? They don’t care about the law.
I instinctively downvoted this because ‘copium’ is one of those load words that carries distain without engagement. Why? Because they usually are unsuccessful. They usually fizzle out. Some authoritarian regimes achieve weight and have a war, but that’s not always the case. UKs govt was borderline insane for, like, 8 years and that’s kinda mellowed now. France has had its flirtations, but it never really stuck. And ultimately I’m an optimist. And the word ‘copium’ is just short hand for ‘optimists are naive and wrong’ which… feels unwarranted to me
I’m sorry, but I feel that optimism, in this case, is both naïve and wrong.
That is not a word I generally throw freely around.
Yeah well fair play. I think you’re cynical, wrong, and actively increasing the probability of your unwanted outcome coming to pass by your language, so I guess we both just very strongly disagree with each other. But at least we can do it politely so at least there’s some hope.
They already had to drop Gaetz as a nominee. Likely because too many R senators said nah.
While I’m not going to say this will happen with all the other crazy proposals. If some Copium helps us get through the next 2 years minimum, and we can stay in the fight, maybe we can hold on to this place.
Even fentanyl works on pain for a while, let’s just hope the country isn’t in hospice yet.
I mean they have the presidency, the house, the Senate, and the supreme court, gonna be difficult to lay the blame.
They had the same situation the first two years of Trump’s first presidency. The blame did no good.
Mostly what saved us before was the incompetence, and that’s already rearing its head again. Stupid thing to rely upon, though.
Fair point
I’m thinking similarly and that the Democrats will use the Senate filibuster to block as many things as they can. Of course, conservatives may end up changing the filibuster and ram through all their terrible policies, then they’d only have until the midterms to pass all the crazy stuff they want to pass. Unless they figure out an illegitimate way to stay in power and go full fascist authoritarian on us. No matter what, the next few years are gonna be terrible.
Rounding up immigrants (lets not pretend they’ll be checking documents) will destroy agricultural corps and one of the US’ largest exports
Not if they take advantage of private prison structures in which prisoners are already paid like 0.15 cents to do agricultural labor in places like georgia.
The rest of this shit is maybe hype depending on the level at which it actually ends up hurting corporations. Elon’s part of the circle because he wants the tariffs because he can’t compete with BYD in any market they’ve been competing in, and he wants to foreclose things like the EV tax credits so nobody else can come up and usurp his position at the top of the market. I’m sure there are plenty of other tariffs that american corporations would be in favor of. The domestic US auto industry basically only exists in the form it does, influencing infrastructure and tons of other shit, because of the chicken tax, which was some random protectionist legislation in the 60’s.
Tax cuts will increase inflation for the bottom class, and cost of living, and probably every other metric, but nobody gives a fuck about that.
And I’m not sure to what degree the real estate market will be affected by domestic US military interventionism seeing as how we’ve already had a couple high profile marches and protests over the last 20 years that have had pretty outsized police and national guard responses, and the real estate market has done nothing but go up basically. Both up in value, and upwards into the hands of mass property management corporations and landlords.
I know everyone’s trying to stay optimistic about the sort of, incompetence of the trump regime, and the degree to which this is all just hype and drivel meant to drive the turnout of his base. I’m sure plenty of it is hype, but I’m also sure plenty of it isn’t. He still ended up appointing those supreme court justices, which has already fucked over an incredibly large proportion of stuff, and will probably fuck over everything for the next couple decades, since nobody’s gonna have enough of a spine to even threaten packing the court.
Regardless of party! Because we’re such a great country full of decadence that we have not one but two pro capitalist pro imperialism pro forever war parties!
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”
Yeah that was the quote I was trying to go for but couldn’t quite remember
I had to look it up…knew what you were thinking though!
So funny what issues the conservative fossil fuel media comes up with to avoid any climate actions. People discussing genitals before extinction definitely show how Darwinism was right. Humanity will die of stupidity.
Problem is - media posts these images of trans women looking like women. And honestly - I have no issues with genuine trans using it.
But what this trans bathrooms opens up - is a very bad legal loophole.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman. There cannot be a proof - right? I don’t have to be dressed like one, I can just be dressed like a man, I can be a super dirty trucker man who “believes being a woman”.
People will exploit this.
There have been gender neutral bathrooms in multiple US states for years now. Find me one single example of what you’re describing occurring. This fear you have is founded in nothing but ignorance, xenophobia, and stupidity. It’s literally the point of this post. You’re no different than the white women in the 50s worrying about black people getting access to their bathrooms and victimizing them somehow.
The vast majority of pooping and being is done in gender neutral bathrooms. I’ve never been in a house that had gendered bathrooms.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom
OK
People will exploit this.
Do you? Who is currently stopping you?
Why would someone who wants to batter, rape or abuse another person be stopped by an unlocked door with a little cartoon sign on it?
Who stopping?
If I try that now - I’ll get beat up if anyone sees me . Most likely cops called. Most likely immediate sex offender.
But if it’s a trans bathrooms - the people that try to beat me up will be in the wrong and arrested for being transphobic.
That’s total bullshit and you know it.
I’m so glad no trans person has ever been beat up because they were forced to use their birth-gender bathroom
Just a reminder: this shit is being peddled by the same people who call upon cis men to enter women’s bathroom to “protect them from predators”.
A predator doesn’t need to identify as anything to walk into a bathroom. They just need to open the door and walk in.
AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT’S NEXT? MORE LITTER BOX DRAMA?
Once again, a whole ass group of people are being punished for what straight cisgendered men might do.
No one ever gave a shit about men raping women in bathrooms before it became a “Trans” issue.
You want to stop bathroom rapes? Start talking to your male friends about the way they objectify women. Start standing up against “locker room” talk. Call out other men for acting in sexist and predatory ways.
But you won’t, because you are a coward. It’s just so much easier to talk down to Trans people and make up silly arguments than to stand up against your own people.
What about transmen that look like big truckers? Following the new rules of Congress they would have to use the women’s restrooms and they look like you described.
Hi, trans person here.
So what gets left out of these arguments a lot or misunderstood about being trans is not that this is a ‘belief’ based system. We are very individually aware of what we look like to other people and how we are being “clocked” by others. Take me, I am trans masculine but bodywise I have opted not to transition because of specific reasons. I don’t automatically feel comfortable using the gent’s washroom.
All of us are looking to find the path of least resistance in this binary that wasn’t designed for us. Trans women I know who don’t seemlessly pass often get stares regardless of what bathroom they use but while women might be horrible, going to the mens means that transphobes can follow you to a secondary location to assault you. If there’s an individual third non gendered option that’s often what we use because for me, I feel weird about being in women’s spaces even if they don’t hassle me and my clockable trans grildfriends don’t have to deal with the anxiety of other people staring.
If I did go on hrt though it would be a different story. I, like all of us, want to use the option that makes everyone around me the most comfortable and the whole thing pass by without any incident.
Under a system that allows trans people to make the call to use what allows us to make the call about what is safest and the least path of social resistance you really don’t find trans people who look like big scruffy men entering women’s washrooms and claiming to be a women because that isn’t a path of least resistance move. It’s not that we “believe” we are our preferred gender and just automatically switch to everything right away. We are very aware that we do not fit in but why we’re doing what we are doing is that our brain looks at our natal sex characteristics as abhorrent which means visually speaking we do dress so that other people can pick up on our deal and don’t keep reminding us in language.
Non-binary folk are kind of the standouts but generally speaking we make the exact same sort of social risk assessments and do our business in the bathroom that other people tend to clock our gender as, not nessisarily the one we feel closest aligned with.
So really under a situation where bathrooms are a free for all a fully masculine looking and coding person wandering into a women’s room not making any attempt to pass IS still a red flag worthy of heightened caution… But if you are in a place where trans men are forced to use a women’s room then more than likely that’s a person following the law and in following that law is risking getting the security or police called in because they had to pee and then spending the next hour being treated like a sex offender while they have their documents checked all because they weren’t permitted to make the bathroom choice of social least resistance for themselves.
Yeah back in the day (idk if it still is I’m just really post transition) switching bathrooms was a right of passing (heh). It was done when you started getting stares in the old bathroom. I last used a men’s room back in college when I was at a urinal (it was late and I was in a hurry) and a guy came in, saw me, walked out, then came back in, clearly having had to check the sign on the door. It’s been many years since, I’m nearing 10 years on hormones and 4 post bottom surgery and I look somewhere between androgynous and female. I get misgendered sometimes but I’ve had coworkers comment on my menses. And the thing is, I’ve met cis women who look more trans than I do.
I dunno if it is much a right of passage as it used to be. Where I am we’ve had bathroom freedom for a long while now and since we have a larger than usual trans population (Vancouver BC) folk transition bathroom use a little earlier than double take type passing but like anybody who crosses into the other side at minimum definitely looks properly trans. Abroad I have been bodily chased out of bathrooms by women when I was younger and passed for more androgynous even though I am an AFAB who never went on T. I ended up using the gents for awhile just because it meant nobody tried to clock me in the head with a purse but like… it sucked worrying that someone would clock me the other direction while I was waiting for a stall. Never personally happened so I never figured out how that experience shakes out but I was definitely trying to lay low.
Even with it being a city that puts “trans people welcome” over the bathrooms us enbies / non physically transitioned folk tend to have a pretty brutal self assessment of how we clock before we pick which restroom to take. It’s really sucky how people take the whole “We don’t owe you presentation” quote to infer like the way we personally choose to present doesn’t actually factor into how we make choices or navigate the world… Like we still don’t want to make people uncomfortable! Half of us enbies are so socially anxious that causing social friction gives us the bloody horrors and we accommodate other people at our own expense more often than not.
Like really… It boggles the mind how so many straights seem to think we operate as some kind of all powerful gender authoritarians who can force people to unquestioningly not even glance at us sideways or else we trot them to the censorship guillotine!
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman
I have news for you, you can just walk into a women’s bathroom now if you feel like it.
You never accidentally went into a women’s restroom while you were drunk or just had to pee so bad you were worried you’d piss your pants? I have, nobody was in there so I didn’t notice until afterwards when I saw no urinals.
This is such a non issue. Also let’s take your example and flip it - say you’re a trans dude, now you’re a man going into the women’s restroom because of this bullshit. Like a fully bearded jacked guy being forced to use the women’s restroom, that’s what this is doing.
And as a woman (admittedly a trans woman, but I bet my cis friends feel the same) we’d rather that than slip on piss. Shit happens, but it’s best to make sure it happens in there
Have you seen any bathrooms being guarded by armed security? What makes you think the kind of person who would do something like that for nefarious purposes would just suddenly decide its too risky because some suits said it was a big nono.
It’s literally the same energy as “if we made rape illegal nobody would rape anymore!” Except worse because it actively harms innocent people
I didn’t down vote you and respect the honest reply.
I am from Europe and here, I am not even aware of any toilet “laws”, except: If they offer seats and Tables, they have to provide a toilet.
You can find all the toilet “configurations” within the limits of one city. Simply because the Disabled/Pregnant Bathrooms are now “Diverse/Neutral” too. And small restaurants usually only have one toilet. Some clubs have gender neutral bathrooms which basically eradicated the lines for the women (inside it’s very respectful, I mean guys like you/me are there too, some with girlfriend… a perv/voyeur would not have a good time there).
From my perspective it’s a complete non issue, which feels like a waste of thought when compared to my daily challenges.
Edit: Lots of typos…
To what end? To pee? Who cares? Go ahead. When the line’s too long at one, people regularly duck into the free restroom in an emergency anyway. If you have to go, just go.
If someone goes into a public restroom with the intention of harming someone inside, it doesn’t matter what gender any of them are, or what they look like, or which bathroom it is. None of that matters. Don’t go into a bathroom with the intention of harming someone. That’s wrong. The end.
I can be a super dirty trucker man
Yes you can!
I find it incredible that global warming is skyrocketing, debt is skyrocketing, we have all sorts of existential political and health issues and the thing people worry about is…
Trans people in bathrooms.
Like, what the heck?
Even if I was anti-trans (and I am not), why would I lose so much sleep over that? What’s gonna happen, I see what looks like the opposite sex in the bathroom and my head explodes?
Even racial segregation made slightly more sense because actual societal segregation was the existing state, precedent, and public consensus (as horrible as it was) but… trans people are already mixed into the public?
Climate change and wealth inequality are the reason for the hate campaign. If you can make politics about minorities you can make it not about the rich people and rich countries paying their share to deal with current issues. My siblings and I’s rights and blood is the price to keep the ultra wealthy in their private jets without fear that the people their climate actions kill will revolt and they won’t lose a wink of sleep over it.
They lack the ability to apply critical thought and effort towards real problems and it’s apparently an appealing political trait for the average American voter
If bathrooms were properly designed instead of having half walls that don’t even meet, I doubt people would care nearly as much.
They’d find a reason to care because this is about maintaining patriarchy and queerphobia.
I love the way Alamo Drafthouse in Texas did this. Each stall is a fully walled environment and there’s a long sinkway for everyone. No one gives a shit that it’s male and female together.
There is or was a bar and restaurant in Pensacola FL that tricked people into going into the wrong restroom if you weren’t paying attention and/or drunk. It was funny and there was no panic or outrage.
I’ve seen restaurants do the same thing. Nobody looks at anyone twice. It’s perfect
I was in a bathroom the other day with a messed up toilet paper dispenser. I didn’t notice until a woman sat in the stall next to me and I turned my head to just see full cleavage perfectly centered through this massive like 5x5 inch gap. Most uncomfortable pee of my life.
Worth noting, this was a massive bathroom with like 30 stalls and 3 people currently in it and she chose to sit right next to me :(. It ain’t just urinals, guys.
Democrats should hire a staffer to stand outside of the women bathroom at the capital and have them accuse every GOP women of being a man before they go to the bathroom.
They want to play these games? Let’s show them what their crazy looks like
Need a big scary FTM trans man with a beard to loiter in the women’s washroom because they have a vagina downstairs.
It’s all about the “biology” right??
These are the same people who’d say “stop lying, you look too manly to be a trans!!!1!1!!”
AOC put it nicely, the GQP wants to do a genital check on every woman and girl that dares to go into a restroom. Can’t we just make private stalls open to anyone?
Shows who paid attention during school. You can have XY chromosomes and be born with a vagina, no genitalia, or both. You can have XX chromosomes and be born with a penis, no genitalia, or both. So biological women doesn’t mean anything in the context they are using it.
They are just using whatever word was written on a birth certificate. This doesn’t reflect gender (that’s in your head), sex (genetics). Basically they are using genital appearance at birth as a proxy for gender. And assuming it was recorded correctly.
If there are stalls with doors in the bathroom, then mind your own damn business if someone is in there. If there aren’t, then it’s an issue with the facility that should be fixed so anyone using them has privacy. Why are Republicans so concerned about what people do on the toilet or in the bedroom?
“Women may get attacked by trans people” says the party who by far has the larger list of offenders. Clean your own house.
You know what, aren’t American stalls notorious for giant gaps in them? Maybe if they fixed that and had better stalls things like this may smooth over better. Unless that stereotype of American bathrooms is outdated or not actually the norm
Yes they are and I hate it.
Worse, my high school had no doors on the bathroom stalls at all (at least in the boys’ room). I’m guessing it was some sort of “we don’t want to catch you masturbating” sort of thing but I would almost always just hold any shitting I had to do in unless I was in drama class because the auditorium had bathrooms with doors.
It varies, sometimes you find places that are designed better than others. I can only assume the two reasons are cost (less material) and easier to mass clean. Not designed for the users.
Anyone being abused in any way in a bathroom by anyone is a crime and should be reported and prosecuted. What you’ll find is not what Republicans are trying to sell to get votes. It even falls under the projection label, so the ones calling for action should probably be watched closer for their own actions towards other people.
Once again, every accusation is a confession.
These people are obsessed with people’s genitals. Just go to the fucking bathroom. Must you go out of your way to make even taking a shit in public more uncomfortable than it needs to be?
Shut the fuck up and do your fucking job.
Insist on big dick and small dick bathrooms for guys. Really lean into it.
What if they’re a grower not a shower? How do we sort this out we talking flaccid or erect? Can half these congress critters even get an erection without chemical help?
Breaking News: House Republicans introduce bill to install Viagra dispensers in Capitol and House office building bathrooms
I don’t care who is with me in the bathroom. I’m not there to make friends. I wouldn’t care if either Nancy Mace or Donald Trump was in the stall next to me.
Just don’t talk to me unless it’s an emergency, that’s all I ask.
I would care. Trump stinks like shit and even though I’m in a bathroom, I only want to smell my own.
Many public restrooms in Iceland are unisex. These apes wouldn’t last one road trip.
I’m still trying to figure out what these people [Republicans] are doing in the bathroom. I probably don’t want to know. All can say is, when I’m trying to pee in a public restroom, I don’t really give a shit who’s in the stall next to me. I don’t care what their gender is. I don’t care what their birth gender was. I’m just trying to do my business and get on with my day.
But if they don’t wish me good luck, I don’t want to be taking a crap next to them. Sometimes you need that emotional support on the crapper, you know?
We know what Senator Larry Craig was doing in a stall with his wide stance.
if I owned the establishment
removes sign entirely
BATHROOM
“There, y’all figure it out.”
“This sign is bullshit. There’s no baths in that room! Just a bunch of sinks and toilets!”
Back home we do actually use a “toilet” label for bathrooms with only toilets. Needless to say, my first visit to America made quite a few laughs when I asked where the toilets are so I can wash me hands.
I like how we sometimes call them “restrooms.” I don’t know what y’all are doing in there, but I certainly ain’t resting. I’m usually fighting for my life if I actually am using a public toilet instead of waiting to get home.
You don’t enjoy relaxing by reading the shampoo bottle?
I’m the opposite, I shit loudly to assert my dominance over everyone else in the bathroom.
In US introductory psychology courses, one common assignment is to deliberately violate some unwritten social norm. Something that is never stated anywhere, but we all just customarily follow. My favorite example is, while visiting a friend’s house, ask if you can use their bathroom. When they say yes, go to their bathroom and take a bath.
Absolutely fucking beautiful!
Reminds me of a comedian who said he likes the European way and started asking “where is the toilet?” in the US. People stared at him saying “In the bathroom”.
The sinks are a bath if ya try hard enough.
Canadian here, don’t people just call it a washroom?
Unisex bathrooms or bust
With actually private toilets. Let everyone defecate in peace. We can share the sinks if we must.
This sounds good in theory but most women I know want to have their own bathroom. Unless it’s like one person at a time deal.
The never ending tradition of conservatives always looking for someone to hate.
If trans-men wouldn’t endanger themselves by doing this, I would encourage them to chill in women toilets.
But they shouldn’t put themselves in harm’s way just to prove a point.
We should just treat them right and protect them from this nonsense.
We should be prepared for a fight on that front. The current uproar is about trans women. Put a trans man in power (anywhere) and the shit is really going to hit the fan. The rhetoric will shift from pseudo-sexualized bathroom nonsense to “how dare you disrupt our patriarchy.”
Transphobia both currently and for basically the last 50 years at least has always been framed and rooted in the idea of protecting women from predatory “men”. Trans men have been a footnote, at most and I doubt one becoming prominent will have the impact you expect.
ever notice trans men don’t have this problem?
We absolutely do, even if you don’t hear about it as often.
I like showing people who claim women don’t want to change in locker rooms with trans women because it makes them so uncomfortable and that locker rooms should only be for “real” women photos of the most manly-looking, muscle-bound AFAB men I can find and ask them to tell me if they think women would be comfortable changing in front of those men.
I have yet to get a yes.
The answer to “where do they expect trans people to go” is “nowhere. Hide or die.”
I’m sorry to hear that. Thank you for opening up
Of course, Men are expected to deal with their own issues so being this fragile isn’t going to be plastered all over the media.
In my experience it’s the men who are the most fragile.
Yes, but we’re not allowed to talk about it
Just unisex the thing. They get a lesson in tolerance and everyone gets equal treatment.
