• bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
    73·
    20 days ago

    A good time for a PSA from your friendly neighborhood electrician: make sure you have working GFCI protection in all bathrooms and kitchens to prevent unwanted tickle time

    • Luffy879@lemmy.ml
      27·
      20 days ago

      And also wanted tickle time

      Btw thanks European regulation for not letting me die, its really fucking great

    • leisesprecher@feddit.org
      9·
      20 days ago

      Shouldn’t that be standard everywhere? My flats here in Germany all had one central switch for that wired before the actual circuit breakers so that any outlet should be protected.

      Is there a reason to only put that on select outlets?

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
        11·
        19 days ago

        Breakers work when you draw too much current through the circuit and a metal strip heats up, expands and flips the circuit off. It’s meant to stop you from plugging in too many devices and heating up the wire inside of your wall. It takes a bit of time activate.

        GFCI stands for Ground Fault Circuit Interrupt. If any current is detected going across one of the current carrying wires and the grounding wire, it immediately turns the circuit off.

        PSA, please, please don’t rip off the grounding prong on your outdoor water fountain pump because you can’t find a grounded extension cord.

        • AgentRocket@feddit.org
          2·
          19 days ago

          I think you misunderstood. he meant in Germany the gfci is wired between where the electricity comes into your home and the breakers, so every outlet is protected, not just the ones in the bathroom.

          Except in old buildings, like the one i’m living in, where there is no grounding wire and ground fault protection is done by bridging ground to neutral and hoping that enough current flows through the fault to trigger the breaker.

      • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
        8·
        20 days ago

        It depends honestly. Here in the states, we GFCI kitchens, bathrooms, laundries, garages, crawl spaces underneath houses, and exteriors, basically anywhere it could be reasonably expected to come in contact with water or an unexpected grounding/earth source. From there, you can either do a GFCI breaker or receptacle. Both will protect everything downstream from the device, but the choice comes down to convenience of operation. I’ll generally do GFCI breakers for dishwasher, disposals, refrigerators, etc, just so that if the GFCI trips you can reset it in the panel so you don’t have to pull the equipment out to get to it, but I’ll do kitchen and bathroom counter convenience plugs as a GFCI receptacle (and daisychain all downstream kitchen receptacles from the GFCI receptacle) to be able to reset it right there at the point of use.

        You could in theory GFCI protect an entire house/flat, but it likely comes down to cost saving and avoiding nuisance trips. Motors as they age tend to leak current and trip GFCIs, and any number of delicate electronics can be finicky, so that’s typically why we only use them in wet locations.

      • Denvil
        5·
        20 days ago

        We’re Americans, we do things illogically here

        In seriousness though, I’m not really sure. I would guess, like most things, money is the answer. The codebook we electricians use specifies what needs to be GFCI. You can always go above that, and make everything GFCI, but you don’t have to. If you’re bidding a job, you can estimate higher to have GFCI protected everything, but the customer is almost always going to go for the cheaper price, so why bother?

        I am an electrician, but this is mostly my speculation and me talking out of my ass so uh… take it with a grain of salt.

        • AA5B@lemmy.world
          2·
          19 days ago

          Are not most other outlets required to be afci?

          • Gfci protects “wet” areas where you might accidentally short yourself to ground, to save your life
          • afci protects against arcs in the circuit, such as cut insulation, or a wire getting hit by a nail, generally to prevent a fire
          • Denvil
            3·
            19 days ago

            Yes, kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, halways, laundry areas, and “similar areas” all require AFCI protection for homes. A bathroom would be GFCI protected, but does not have to be AFCI protected. A kitchen will be both. A hallway will be AFCI protected, but does not have to be GFCI protected.

            Edit: should also clarify that this is according to the most recent version of the codebook, 2023. So this list only applies to brand new homes in areas where the 2023 version has been adopted. It’s likely it’s the same or similar for previous iterations, but I’d have to look back through a lot of versions of the codebook to see so uh… eh

      • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        20 days ago

        American homes have a master circuit breaker (or fuse) which protects the entire house, and then individual circuit breakers for several circuits throughout the house, the exact configuration depends on the home, the era it was wired, etc. These only look at current. An American household 15 amp circuit breaker will happily electrocute a human if he only draws 10 amps. It doesn’t care if the electricity is completing the circuit through ground, it’s only job is to keep the wires in your walls from overheating and starting a fire.

        Ground fault circuit interruptors (GFCIs) detect when current is completing the circuit through ground instead of neutral, which is what happens when you drop the proverbial toaster in the bathtub. Fresh water is an insulator but salty, soapy or acidic water is a conductor, and will conduct electricity into the pipes of the house, which are often used as the electrical system’s ground. GFCIs are often installed in places where one might encounter the outdoors or plumbing, aka when there’s a significant risk of a short to ground. A typical American duplex outlet costs a buck or two, a GFCI outlet costs upwards of $10, it’s expensive to install a whole house with GFCIs.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          19 days ago

          Exactly. It’s also completely unnecessary since the only places where you need GFCI protection is in places like you’ve mentioned, when there’s a significant risk of completing the circuit to ground.

          Most of the time, an issue will flip a breaker before it causes damage, GFCI is just for extra protection.

      • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        8·
        20 days ago

        Hair dryers have killed people too, which are much more likely to be found in a bathroom. It’s why they all have GFCIs in their plugs. I’ve also heard tell of a girl who was electrocuted in the bath by her phone charger. The USB cord won’t do it; the 5V USB puts out can’t hurt you. But if the charging brick and 110V wall power cord you’ve plugged it into falls into the water with you you’re gonna do the 15 amp dance.

      • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
        5·
        20 days ago

        It really is to save those that aren’t smarter than your average Bear from themselves. Logic would dictate that, yes, keep electronics or electrical appliances away from water, but too many people don’t connect the dots. Also too, accidents happen to the best of us.

  • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
    49·
    20 days ago

    Remove the bread, add aspirin and razor blades. If you’re going to make a spectacle, make a spectacle.

    • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
      32·
      20 days ago

      I don’t know if they changed toasters but they definitely changed building code at least in the US to require GFCI outlets in the bathroom that will shut off when a short is detected because of this.

          • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
            8·
            20 days ago

            If you want to successfully toasterbath, you have to plug into a non-gfci protected circuit (the ones with the button that says test monthly that you have never tested).

            • jaybone@lemmy.world
              1·
              20 days ago

              Right. Does plugging an extension cord into the gfci protected outlet really circumvent that protection though?

              • TheOakTree@lemm.ee
                12·
                20 days ago

                No, not really. I think people are suggesting that the extension is used with a different outlet.

                • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                  5·
                  19 days ago

                  Yup, like bedrooms.

                  If you want to make sure, get a 220V extension cord if you’re in the US and run it to the laundry room or kitchen. Higher voltage is generally more effective.

                  That said, if you’re seriously considering this, please talk to someone. Life is worth living.

          • thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
            3·
            19 days ago

            even without a gfci outlet this would be a difficult way to kill yourself today’s world. in theory there should be at least 3 things that would fail to prevent this. one is that most modern electronic devices have something to shut off in the event of a short. two is the gfci outlet that every bathroom is required by code to have in the majority of countries these days. three is the fuse/circuit breaker of the building itself.

            now, the last one isn’t going to reliably save you, but it will make it a very unreliable way to kill yourself. with all three combined it’s nearly impossible.

            • superkret@feddit.org
              2·
              19 days ago

              At least in the US, reaching inside your glovebox during a traffic stop has a much higher chance of success.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            20 days ago

            GFCI has a switch that is tripped if there’s a leak of power. It’s the outlets that have a test button between the two plugs. It essentially is just an outlet with a breaker that is tripped if it’s shorted so it can’t cause any harm. Basically, if the incoming current isn’t the same as the outgoing current, it trips and shuts off power.

              • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                19 days ago

                Not if the extension cord is into the GFCI outlet. It doesn’t care what’s plugged in. It’s similar to a circuit breaker. It doesn’t care what’s drawing power, only how it’s being drawn.

              • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
                1·
                19 days ago

                You can just rip off the grounding prong to bypass the protection. I keep having to fix cord ends because too many dipshits at work can’t be bothered to look at the at what they’re doing when they plug something in.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
        13·
        19 days ago

        Well, not specifically for toasters. It was more about hairdryers and curling irons causing accidental electrocutions than for suicide prevention.

    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
      9·
      19 days ago

      No, they changed bathroom plugs. Now they have GCFIs. They have a built in test button, but there is one other way to tell…

      Also they claim that the shorter cords on kitchen appliances are to prevent this but I say that’s bullshit and they’re just cheap.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        19 days ago

        I agree with you on the second point. They’re always lying about their little schemes to squeeze more pennies out of a quarter, and think that people believe them. I’d honestly respect a company more if they just came out and said “we shortened cords to make more money. Get fucked, peasants.”

        • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
          2·
          19 days ago

          For real. Look at Snapple and their “improved” plastic bottles.

          I’ve bought two small kitchen appliances recently…a cheap-ass griddle, and a real nice air fryer/double oven. Both gave the same excuse for their short cords.

      • AA5B@lemmy.world
        1·
        19 days ago

        Maximum power cord lengths are in the NEC. Regardless of the original motivation, now it’s in the electrical code (US)

        • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
          1·
          10 days ago

          I was thinking about this today when I pulled out my Vitamix. That thing has like a 6 foot cord.

          When did this get added? Or does it only apply to heating appliances? Date code on my blender is November 2020.

          • AA5B@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 days ago

            I thought it was older than that but I don’t know and didn’t see anything through search.

            Maybe it’s just named appliances but my blender is also really short

    • hOrni@lemmy.world
      3·
      19 days ago

      I hope not, as I always considered it a viable option for when I’ve had enough.

  • masterofn001@lemmy.ca
    14·
    19 days ago

    Reminds me of when me and a buddy were making rum in my apartment.

    An entire cart full of molasses and brown sugar.

    Clerk just looked and asked “doing a lot of baking?”

    Yep. Baking.

      • masterofn001@lemmy.ca
        2·
        18 days ago

        The shopping or the rum?

        Both worked wonderfully.

        Made some white rum. (Nothing to it)
        Some dark rum. (Added Torched Oak™ in bottle - we developed a neat technique to speed up the barrel aging without barrels)
        Some spiced rum. (All the things)
        Some over proof rum. (98%abv straight off the coil)

  • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    19 days ago

    Why is a toaster the small electrical appliance of choice for that kind of thing? Good voltage/size ratio?

  • stupidcasey@lemmy.world
    10·
    19 days ago

    Fun fact a toaster in water probably won’t kill you, I mean it could obviously but it’s more likely that the electricity goes straight to the ground within the toaster, and slowly heat up the water, I wouldn’t try it but interesting nonetheless.