For anyone wondering, this is what those staff ignored for two hours (WARNING: this may well trigger you, it sure as fuck ruined my day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx4in4UpdWE
This video is 43 seconds long. You hear that sound out of a little kid’s leg, followed by the screaming for two hours, and don’t immediately call the ambulance, you’re not a reasonable adult. You’re an inhuman monster. Anyone saying “well maybe they thought he was just acting out” is ignoring the basic facts of the case so they can be contrary on the Internet.
You think the staff heard something like this, and therefore knew that there was a severe injury, but just ignored it for some reason? Maybe they hated the child or something?
Even though they would most definitely get in deep trouble for ignoring what is actually a life threatening injury after anyone found out?
Dude, you don’t know people. Or you’re being contrarian just to be stubborn.
Think of everyone that drives past an accident that just happened, or people leaving elderly to suffer bedsores in care homes, or any number of cases of neglect that happen daily. Now couple that with someone who is maybe a difficult person to deal with and you bet your ass their problems are going to be last on the list to be concerned with. There are facilities that have poor care knowing they could be sued or face legal issues, but it happens anyway.
Perhaps I don’t. Though I think each of your examples has systemic reasons that make it unique from this situation.
It’s a school, so there’s no capitalist profit incentive unlike a nursing home. These are not bystanders, but people with a specific responsibility towards this child, and again, no profit incentive.
In this case, the child has parents that will be expecting their kid back from school in one piece at the end of the day. There is no way in hell they could realistically get away with knowingly ignoring such a severe injury. Broken femurs, again, can kill you due to internal bleeding. Not the death of some elderly nursing home patient, the death of a child (who has parents) under your care in a place where children do not die very often.
In my experience, which is we could say is anecdotal, in industries like education and care where there is often cost cutting involved is that they tend to lose the teacher or carers that actually care through burnout and realising they’re powerless to actually make a difference.
This means that the people that do stick it out don’t really care and are merely doing it to get paid and they will do the bare minimum to get paid.
I worked as a carer for a short period of time and it ruined me. Whilst the happiest people there were the ones that would take the patients out for days out that the carer wanted to do, not what the patient might find interesting. They mocked me for taking kids to bus museums because they loved buses, as they would just take them to the cinema to watch something they themselves wanted to watch.
A school is a system, and it can suffer from it’s own systemic issues. I don’t think it’s a good argument to point out systemic issues as a problem yet ignore the fact that schools, private or otherwise, can have the same.
The severity of the injury is fairly irrelevant in respect ro the staff because your argument assumes they are knowledgable enough to know, or willing enough to care to think about it, or even avoiding thinking about the potential severity to psychologically distance themselves from responsibility for the injury or being “the rat” that points it out and gets everyone in trouble.
There are a lot of factors that play into this scenario.
Agreed, mostly. My issue is with the assumption that the staff knowingly neglected a severe injury, which is what the other commenter was trying to imply for some reason. There’s just no way that ends well for them, in our country where people will chew out teachers for even giving a bad grade. The only way this strikes me as possible is the staff severely underestimating the child’s condition after a “slip and fall”.
They did not knowingly ignore a severe injury. They did knowingly ignore a possible injury for a kid that (we don’t know the specifics) had a non-normal mental condition that could communicate by screaming a lot over everything. It’s a really big assumption you rely on stating they knew the severity. Some kids with ASD will freak out over transitions, hyper obsess over strong feeling like anger over an injury, big or small. I’ve been around some kids like this and you just don’t know what you’re going to get. Again, these people, on the little info we have, seem to have a problem with this kid. That really sets the stage for them to ignore the kid over some screaming.
For anyone wondering, this is what those staff ignored for two hours (WARNING: this may well trigger you, it sure as fuck ruined my day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx4in4UpdWE
This video is 43 seconds long. You hear that sound out of a little kid’s leg, followed by the screaming for two hours, and don’t immediately call the ambulance, you’re not a reasonable adult. You’re an inhuman monster. Anyone saying “well maybe they thought he was just acting out” is ignoring the basic facts of the case so they can be contrary on the Internet.
This implies staff knowingly ignored a severe injury, which is what I find unlikely and wanted to get straight.
If they innocently thought the kid was just acting out and it turns out he broke his femur — than the staff should all have their femurs broken as a learning exercise so they don’t make that mistake again.
While I’m not nonverbal I also broke my femur as a child, in specific I was around 6-7. Father ignored my cries of pain for probably around half an hour to an hour (I “saw” the sun jump in the sky) before eventually getting fed up with me. He roughly picked me up, tossed me over his shoulder (again ignoring my cries of pain), took me into the house and more or less thew me onto the floor. Walked off all pisses and my mom came in to see why I was so… distressed. My leg was about twice as large as normal, I was going/well into shock. Ambulance and whatnot got called, the Fire dudes showed up, gave me some sort of shot and awhile later the Ambulance dudes eventually showed up. Dad rode with me to the hospital and to keep things short he felt pretty terrible about himself for good reason.
Course that experience didn’t prevent him from being abusive later on but I can understand why he initially chose to ignore me, I was and still am rather emotional. Same kind of deal with this poor kid. I can understand ignoring at first, but there comes a point, hopefully quite quickly that you check in and see if things are alright. I push fuckn carts and I check in with old people all the time. Quite often they are just old and are being weird staring into space, looking confused whatever old people get up to but occasionally they need help and I’m glad to have asked. If your job is to take care of kids with special needs you should be very aware of their typical behavior and check in when there’s something off. Doubly so when there’s any sort of communication difficulties christ
For anyone wondering, this is what those staff ignored for two hours (WARNING: this may well trigger you, it sure as fuck ruined my day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx4in4UpdWE
This video is 43 seconds long. You hear that sound out of a little kid’s leg, followed by the screaming for two hours, and don’t immediately call the ambulance, you’re not a reasonable adult. You’re an inhuman monster. Anyone saying “well maybe they thought he was just acting out” is ignoring the basic facts of the case so they can be contrary on the Internet.
So let me get this straight:
You think the staff heard something like this, and therefore knew that there was a severe injury, but just ignored it for some reason? Maybe they hated the child or something?
Even though they would most definitely get in deep trouble for ignoring what is actually a life threatening injury after anyone found out?
Dude, you don’t know people. Or you’re being contrarian just to be stubborn.
Think of everyone that drives past an accident that just happened, or people leaving elderly to suffer bedsores in care homes, or any number of cases of neglect that happen daily. Now couple that with someone who is maybe a difficult person to deal with and you bet your ass their problems are going to be last on the list to be concerned with. There are facilities that have poor care knowing they could be sued or face legal issues, but it happens anyway.
Perhaps I don’t. Though I think each of your examples has systemic reasons that make it unique from this situation.
It’s a school, so there’s no capitalist profit incentive unlike a nursing home. These are not bystanders, but people with a specific responsibility towards this child, and again, no profit incentive.
In this case, the child has parents that will be expecting their kid back from school in one piece at the end of the day. There is no way in hell they could realistically get away with knowingly ignoring such a severe injury. Broken femurs, again, can kill you due to internal bleeding. Not the death of some elderly nursing home patient, the death of a child (who has parents) under your care in a place where children do not die very often.
I don’t see it as very likely.
In my experience, which is we could say is anecdotal, in industries like education and care where there is often cost cutting involved is that they tend to lose the teacher or carers that actually care through burnout and realising they’re powerless to actually make a difference.
This means that the people that do stick it out don’t really care and are merely doing it to get paid and they will do the bare minimum to get paid.
I worked as a carer for a short period of time and it ruined me. Whilst the happiest people there were the ones that would take the patients out for days out that the carer wanted to do, not what the patient might find interesting. They mocked me for taking kids to bus museums because they loved buses, as they would just take them to the cinema to watch something they themselves wanted to watch.
People suck.
A school is a system, and it can suffer from it’s own systemic issues. I don’t think it’s a good argument to point out systemic issues as a problem yet ignore the fact that schools, private or otherwise, can have the same.
The severity of the injury is fairly irrelevant in respect ro the staff because your argument assumes they are knowledgable enough to know, or willing enough to care to think about it, or even avoiding thinking about the potential severity to psychologically distance themselves from responsibility for the injury or being “the rat” that points it out and gets everyone in trouble.
There are a lot of factors that play into this scenario.
Agreed, mostly. My issue is with the assumption that the staff knowingly neglected a severe injury, which is what the other commenter was trying to imply for some reason. There’s just no way that ends well for them, in our country where people will chew out teachers for even giving a bad grade. The only way this strikes me as possible is the staff severely underestimating the child’s condition after a “slip and fall”.
They did not knowingly ignore a severe injury. They did knowingly ignore a possible injury for a kid that (we don’t know the specifics) had a non-normal mental condition that could communicate by screaming a lot over everything. It’s a really big assumption you rely on stating they knew the severity. Some kids with ASD will freak out over transitions, hyper obsess over strong feeling like anger over an injury, big or small. I’ve been around some kids like this and you just don’t know what you’re going to get. Again, these people, on the little info we have, seem to have a problem with this kid. That really sets the stage for them to ignore the kid over some screaming.
The comment I was replying to said the following:
This implies staff knowingly ignored a severe injury, which is what I find unlikely and wanted to get straight.
If they innocently thought the kid was just acting out and it turns out he broke his femur — than the staff should all have their femurs broken as a learning exercise so they don’t make that mistake again.
While I’m not nonverbal I also broke my femur as a child, in specific I was around 6-7. Father ignored my cries of pain for probably around half an hour to an hour (I “saw” the sun jump in the sky) before eventually getting fed up with me. He roughly picked me up, tossed me over his shoulder (again ignoring my cries of pain), took me into the house and more or less thew me onto the floor. Walked off all pisses and my mom came in to see why I was so… distressed. My leg was about twice as large as normal, I was going/well into shock. Ambulance and whatnot got called, the Fire dudes showed up, gave me some sort of shot and awhile later the Ambulance dudes eventually showed up. Dad rode with me to the hospital and to keep things short he felt pretty terrible about himself for good reason.
Course that experience didn’t prevent him from being abusive later on but I can understand why he initially chose to ignore me, I was and still am rather emotional. Same kind of deal with this poor kid. I can understand ignoring at first, but there comes a point, hopefully quite quickly that you check in and see if things are alright. I push fuckn carts and I check in with old people all the time. Quite often they are just old and are being weird staring into space, looking confused whatever old people get up to but occasionally they need help and I’m glad to have asked. If your job is to take care of kids with special needs you should be very aware of their typical behavior and check in when there’s something off. Doubly so when there’s any sort of communication difficulties christ