President-elect Donald Trump on Friday confirmed that Republicans will work together to ditch Daylight Saving Time, the practice of changing the clocks by an hour twice a year.
Broken clock.
A broken clock can be right three times a day, if it breaks between 2AM and 3AM on the day of the DST change…
Or more often, if it runs backwards. Far less often if it runs fast or slow.
what if the clock runs several times too fast?
If it runs fast enough, it can be correct every minute.
Broken record.
Except that the Dems tried to do this recently and the Republicans wouldn’t come to the table, but as soon as they are in: “oh hey guys, check out our great policy you all love”.
Just saw this comment after posting saying it better than i: https://lemmy.world/comment/13969026
Finally something I can support
The Sunlight Protection Act has been put up several times and passed by the Senate as recently as 2022. It sits in a committee at this time. I’m sure trump will take credit if it works its way through.
Well I hope it does make it through, despite bronzer boy taking credit for it.
Honestly I don’t care who takes credit, just get it done already
Why hasn’t it passed the house if Republicans supported it in the Senate? Strange
Not certain if it’s the same one, but a while ago such a bill was on the docket until they literally forgot about it. Like, they all supported it, but no one brought it up so they didn’t vote on it.
They’ve got more pressing issues to deal with. Trans people aren’t going to ban themselves from bathrooms.
Currently over 19,000 bills before Congress… Which ones get heard unfortunately is always manipulated.
Good.
The extra hour of sunshine cannot be good for global temperatures.
I’m assuming you’re joking, but I’m also assuming some morons actually believe this.
Every hour of sunlight brings 173,000 terrawatt hours of total solar irradiance. Even one hour is enough to make a big difference.
Those clocks are mighty powerful.
How is anyone taking this seriously
How are you taking this seriously?
I’m taking this fine. And I told you, don’t call me Serious Lee.
My dude had several down votes when i posted
btw that’s 6.228 * 1017J for non-Americans
I’m fine with that, but I think we should settle on Daylight Savings time. You know, when time is an hour ahead of what it is now.
Standard time is the WORST. My political party might be permanent Daylight Savings Time
If we had year-round DST, the sun wouldn’t rise until after 8 AM in the winter.
That’s totally fine.
I ink it really depends, to be honest.
I know I get a bit grim with winter reducing activities. What is impossible to tease out is just how much of this is weather changing with time zone.
I ink what matters most is the population centres and how they’re affected - my thinking is if most of the population is grouped in places that benefit from being ‘more livable’ because they’re not as dark and damp through ones daily experiences, then it’d be worth keeping.
I live in NZ and think itd be great here, but we’re quite far from the equator, so get a lot of dawn and dusk (I feel like it would have a big affect here, and in my perspective, it would be broadly positive for _most folks _). It’s shocking how much of an improvement DST makes in just the basic liveability - by the weather has generally been subtly improving for a few weeks as well, which completely waters down my argument
If DST wasn’t a thing, it would still not get dark in the summer time until after 9PM for me. I’d rather stay on permanent DST because winter is absolutely miserable when it’s dark until mid-late morning, dreary, rainy, and overcast all “day”, and then dark again by mid-afternoon.
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And yet the happiest countries in the world spend most of the day in winter in darkness, some completely.
Though to be fair most of that has to do with how the governments tend to be more socialist.
That’s just being happy despite the darkness. Without it it would probably be better.
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First country from that happeness list on the suicide rankings is Finland and that’s #38, behind the US that’s at #31.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
I wake up at 6:45-7 most days and it’s not like it’s bright then either. I would MUCH prefer an hour more of daylight after I get off work
At least it wouldn’t set before I leave work !
I live in the PNW, USA. It’s dark when I get to work and when I get home. I’d rather have light at the end of my day. Winter/standard time is terrible.
I support standard time more, the 12 o clock at the center of the timezone should be noon, not having noon at 1PM, and day lengths are better on average without. DST makes it better, but only for sunset times, it makes the mornings drastically worse and I think employers and schools should just change their hours if they care so much about sunlight when they leave.
I support daylight savings time more and all of those regions where the sun doesn’t rise before 7AM can switch time zones.
For example, all of the USA switches to permanent daylight savings time, and the western portion of Texas that sees 0 days with a sunrise before 7 AM switches to the Mountain time zone. Now they will experience sunrise before 7 AM much more often.
Eh, I support places moving time zone but a bigger factor for me is also linguistic, it doesnt make sense for high noon at the place the time zone is defined at to be at 1 in the afternoon, the one thing I think alot of people can agree with is that 12 should be noon or as close as possible and I feel that DST works against this.
Fingers crossed that this gives us an extra hour of sunshine after work instead of before. It’s so depressing to leave the office at 4pm and it’s already dark out.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but permanent daylight time is bad for public health.
One link to a research article from 1974 about fuel usage. One link to an article about the change between time offset being a problem. No substantiation for other claims. This article is practically an editorial.
Eliminating vaccines is also bad for public health. Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking this is a component of the decision.
That said, I’m also sus of that position. There are plenty of healthy societies that live much further north of the us population centers.
No.
You make be spring forward and I’m owed my motherfucking fall back. I’ll take up arms to defend that stance.
Fall back is nice but we should just change the time whimsically instead.
What if instead of one hour in the fall you randomly got 8?
You could technically get 582 hours of overtime in one shift in some states depending on the change.
Just trying to distract the public from any number of his fucked up shit
Trump says lots of things.
Who knows which he will actually try to do?
Or how many of those things he will actually succeed at?
Exactly “Trump vow” = “hot air”
The fun is in trying to figure out how this will be profitable for him.
Nice low-effort distraction from endless high crimes against America maybe.
Extra hour of sunlight for golf no doubt.
That would be permanent Daylight Savings, not eliminating it.
Though I’m not sure he or many others know the difference.Half the people cheering the elimination of DST actually want permanent DST. Can’t wait for this to go through, morons will get what they asked for instead of what they wanted. Theyre going to spend the extra hour of sun asleep in their beds.
I don’t give a crap if the clocks stay forward or stay back, as long as they stay put.
Take off your watch then, you’re the one carrying it around.
As someone who mourns the 24hrs open world that covid killed, I don’t care what the sky looks like, I’m just sick of my circadian rhythm being thrown off every few months because some fuck couldn’t be bothered to use a lamp and decided it needed to be everyone else’s problem.
You realize the circadian rhythm of humans is massively influenced by the sun right? It’s not just not using lamps, the light of the sun literally activates hormones that tell you it’s time to get up and lack of sunlight makes hormones tell you it’s time to sleep.
Yes, I also understand that the sun rising and setting doesn’t stop me from going about my day. Daylight savings doesn’t take away the sun, it just let’s my boss demand I change what time I wake up by an hour.
So it’s not about your circadian rhythm anymore its about fighting it and doing your things no matter what the sun is doing? Most humans still need light to regulate their sleep, emotions, hair growth, and literal bone density. I’m glad your special but pretending like it’s just people who don’t want to use lamps is the worst comparison I think ive ever seen on the subject.
I would be prepared to take either one at this point
Whatever gets the clocks fixed.
As you age time appears to pass faster.
In your late 70s, six months flies by, so older people tend to hate daylight savings time, because they feel.like they’re constantly changing their clocks.
It’s why Biden was such a bad president, the last four years flew by and he probably barely realized it.
It’s why the entire time he kept saying “we need to figure out what’s going on first”.
At that age you just can’t keep up with a normal day to day, let alone be the fucking president of America.
trump obviously will (and has) had the same issue, it’s just when Trump doesn’t get his shit done, it’s almost always a positive for the country.
Not that I can tell yet, but i heard that the peak of time passing is around 45-50 years old. Also, things like this apply a lot more to people who do the same routines day in and day out. Someone like Trump probably sees it a bit less due to always having a different day most days. Although, at the same time, how many days did he golf or just vacation on his last term?
Whatever his reason, it’s gonna be stupid.
But unironically, there’s a lot of good reasons to just go with one time or the other.
So it’s weird to keep seeing headlines about it
Media is desperate to get people to arguing over shit that doesn’t really matter along party lines.
They’re still shitting their pants over 99% of the country uniting behind Luigi. They want us to talk about anything except the shit that effects billionaires negatively
Edit:
but i heard that the peak of time passing is around 45-50 years old.
I kind of just glossed over that. But it’s completely incorrect btw …
Instead of squawking over which to have, how about we all just uze Zulu time and eliminate the timezone confusion as well?
Then you will have different work hours everywhere. Chaos.
Or you would need to force a lot of people to work at strange hours.How is that chaos?
Sunrised in NY and CA at 7 am today in their respective time
They are 3 hours apart in time zones.
So if you wanted everyone to use same clock and for the sun to rise at 7am in NY. That would mean the sun would rise at 4am in CA.
The sun would set at 1:30pm in CA
Someone currently working a 9-5pm. It would become a 6-2pm job.
How is that not going to cause chaos?
Different employers in areas have their own arbitrary start/stop times already, time numbers are already an arbitrary concept, if someone in CA right now is working hours based on NY, when they work relative to the sun won’t change, just the numbers. The difference would be in people cold contacting others vs scheduled times. Right now if something is scheduled you have to convert it to your time, the formula for which will vary based on what time zone it is scheduled in. With this change, when reaching out to someone far away, you’d have to figure out if you’re contacting them at an appropriate time for their day/night, but that’s also inexact because people have different personal cycles anyway.
Working hours being 9am-5pm vs 1900-0300 are just numbers.
On a day in California, where the sun rises at 7 am PST, it would be equivalent to making it 3 pm UTC.
You think people in California are going to be happy waking up at 3 pm, going to work at 5pm-1am, then going to sleep at 7am?
People are angry that they get an extra hour of sleep one night and lose one another. 2 days out of the year.
You really think you’re going to sell these people on waking up at 3 pm and going to bed at 7am?
Working hours being 9am-5pm vs 1900-0300 are just numbers.
Working hours being 9am-5pm PST vs 9am-5pm PDT are just numbers
DST just tries to shift everyone to a beneficial sun zone for a part of the year.
Depending where you live and mainly how close you are to a time zone line depends if keeping it, getting rid of it, or keeping the current system is beneficial.
Maine could be in it’s own time zone as far east as it really is. The idea that Michigan is in the same time zone is absurd. Michigan should be in CST. That would drop them back an hour. If you talked to someone in Michigan they probably hate DST. Their DST should be their current standard time and then they should fall back to CST if they wanted to do the DST switch thing. They would get a lot more sunlight in the morning.
You think people in California are going to be happy waking up at 3 pm, going to work at 5pm-1am, then going to sleep at 7am?
Yes, other than a 1-time adjustment, it’s no less arbitrary than the current times they use.
People are angry that they get an extra hour of sleep one night and lose one another. 2 days out of the year.
They’re right to, it literally causes a rise in deaths, with this that goes entirely away, so yay?
You really think you’re going to sell these people on waking up at 3 pm and going to bed at 7am?
I’m not sure you’d still use am/pm, but yeah. What intrinsic negative is there? Who cares if they have to be at work at the same point relative to the local day/night cycle but it’s named something else.
Working hours being 9am-5pm PST vs 9am-5pm PDT are just numbers
They also come with the baggage of dst and timezones, part of which you list below.
Maine could be in it’s own time zone as far east as it really is. The idea that Michigan is in the same time zone is absurd. Michigan should be in CST. That would drop them back an hour. If you talked to someone in Michigan they probably hate DST. Their DST should be their current standard time and then they should fall back to CST if they wanted to do the DST switch thing. They would get a lot more sunlight in the morning.
Yeah, this is all dumb, so why not make all of these oddities go away.
Thats how many jobs already are. Jobs ending at 2pm in California because the majority of their market is already gone for the day. There is nothing chaotic about it at all. They are just numbers. We are open from 9-17. Hours posted, that’s when they are open. In New York when someone asks what time they are open the answer is 9-17, in Japan, it’s 9-17. No matter where you are in the world, look at your watch/clock/phone I should be able to say huh, it’s 11, they are open… I’ll give them a call. 0 chaos. No asking what time zone, no asking if it’s 11am or pm, just 9-17. Always the same for anyone who wants to do business with that business.
Sidenote, think about how much cooler new years would be. Everyone on the planet moving to a new year at the same time. Not, well Terry is in Texas so it won’t be for another hour there.
It’s not just numbers: there’s an even more significant factor: insolation. It would be much more uneven for different places and sunlight affects our psychic and physiology.
The amount of sun is not dictated by what time we arbitrarily call it. People’s scheduled times for work would vary based on location, so someone in CA who currently works 9-5 would would work like 17-3. Which would be the same as the sun coverage locally is concerned.
If companies actually are about such things then since the sun goes down at at 4:36 where I live, also the majority of people work inside. So a a healthier schedule would be getting off work at 12, and going to bed at 5:30pm (17:30).
That extends the most amount of hours you spend awake and not sitting inside working, to daylight. So your workday should start around 3 it will be light outside when you take lunch at 7, and you get off at 12. So you have full access to the best psychic and physiology right? Sun sets at 4:30, and your in bed by 5:30.
Somehow I don’t think that’s what people want though.
I personally don’t care for it much, but I am usually more awake during the night anyways.
My start times this week were; 6:30, 3:30, 6, 6, 5:30. Most would think that’s to early, especially when you have to drive 50 miles to work. So I leave at 2:30am on Tuesdays, lol.
Every job is different
Nobody would have a convenient and immediate feel about the daylight times (and work hours) in different countries without converting it.
Now if someone talks about 23:00 in their time you have a very good idea when in the day that is. If it was 2300 or whatever you’d have to know where they are and when the daytime starts there to make sense of it.
Also would be really annoying for some to have their daytime at what used to be the middle of the night per the clock.
You realize when people show up at 8 am in different time zones this is already the same thing.
But we know 8 am is morning everywhere and around the time of workday. Orienting stuff around the daylight hours is pretty convenient since we are diurnal lol
I think the real chaos is how it would affect dates. “The store is closed on the 25th” now would necessitate specifying the exact hours and dates because it would likely bleed from the 24th or into the 26th. Anyone filling out a form would have to be careful to check the time to make sure they get the date right. Even just the simple statement “Let’s get together Tuesday” becomes ambiguous.
It would be pretty dumb to add all that confusion to the vastly more common use case, for what?
You would just adjust after a while. It would be different but you’d be starting your shift at 1700 instead of 0900 (PST, or is it PDT?) for a 9-5. Maybe closer to 1600 on the east side of PST or closer to 1800 to the west. But for a town or region things would become locally consistent.
And scheduling work meetings across time zones you already have to coordinate. So not really different from now.
I’m for permanent daylight. Not a morning person so i hate the sun coming up so early. The mornings should be dark and gloomy (because I have to go to work, work sucks) plus the added benefit of actually having some light when you get off work. The sun going down right when I’m finally off is kind of insulting and depressing.
Getting anyone to come to an agreement on this will be impossible since its based on preference.
That’s why you base it on science and will you look at that, regular time is better, who would have thought?
Not in the PNW. Regular time is absolutely abysmal during the winter.
Mid day light being better in the middle of the day isn’t about your feelings
Aren’t they doing the opposite though, they are doing no light when you get off work?
I’m definitely with you though, having it dark outside when I’m done work for the day sucks, even when working from home.
this would be pretty good. i hope he’s not full of shit on this one thing
Honestly I’d rather have the switch than permanent daylight.
Permanent Daylight would suuuuuck in the winter. You’d be at school or work for hours before you see the sun. I’d prefer to be on permanent standard time and just have the sun wake me up earlier in the summertime. I don’t need a 9 pm sunset.
Suck in winter, and half of spring and fall.
