Rep. Ro Khanna said that “many” in the House Democratic caucus, including himself, will back Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in Tuesday’s vote.
Ngl I think AOC should straight up form a new party with Bernie or something like that, because the DNC is just gonna keep giving us the neoliberal shit sandwich until they’re subsumed by the Republican Party outright (other parties being outlawed, of course).
I know that end-state sounds hyperbolic, but at this point I wouldn’t be shocked if that’s how things eventually play out if this authoritarian slide continues.
Except she spent the last election cycle mocking third parties and saying you need to ‘build coalitions’ by working within the party
If this is what she got for her support of Israel and ‘working within the party’, then I think she might have been taken for a ride
Like how Bernie “worked with” the Dems by bending the knee to Hillary after the 2016 primary?
Yeah idk why the progressives think they can work with the right wing obstructionists that are the Democratic party.
Guess we should have all voted for that hack Stein. The green painted wing of the GOP
Better to vote for the pink-painted wing of the GOP
“The Dems are like the GOP but they don’t hate women and gay people” is less of a gotcha than you think it is when you don’t even deny that Stein is a fraud.
Kind of just tells us what you think of those issues.
That’s the thing about paint - sometimes it peels off of whatever shitty surface it’s covering.
I’ll take liberals over Nazis, thanks.
Why won’t you?
The Parlor Pink shade, comrade?
Either way, honestly - it’s a thin, flaky coat of paint on a reactionary bourgeois political party
The solution is to depose everyone who has a finger in politics today, starting from the top down.
Except she spent the last election cycle mocking third parties and saying you need to ‘build coalitions’ by working within the party
She is right. Divide and conquer is a super effective strategy, the left loves doing the divide part to itself then acts shocked when it gets conquered.
When your left-wing coalition depends on kowtowing to capital to survive, it isn’t left-wing anymore.
So make yourself smaller, less relevant, less resources but ideologically pure. Not exactly a winning formula. You go to war with the army you’ve got, not the army you wish you had.
When the army you have sabotages you at every turn you absolutely do remove the obstructive elements. The modern Democratic party will simply never allow leftists to have any kind of political power. That’s not how they roll, and by the time anything change America will have went full autocrat or starved to death.
The call is coming from inside the house, bud.
Go make your political party made up of exclusively people to the left of Elizabeth Warren and let me know how the half dozen of you do
Is she really your standard bearer for ‘left’…?
Unfortunately not the first time AOC’s “learned” this lesson. See? She is a great Dem, learn nothing and do it again.
It’s not a bad idea. However, better would be a reforming and rebranding of the current DNC’s image. It is the right time to begin setting the foundations though, make no mistake.
However, better would be a reforming and rebranding of the current DNC’s image.
And how would anyone go about that when the party leadership is fighting them at every turn?
The only legal way would be to mimic the corporations that captured the DNC to begin with, basically bribes.
You’d have to create a super PAC that only funds left leaning democratic candidates, and one that would be willing to fund primaries against incumbents within the DNC.
The main problem is that parties only care about funding now, and there aren’t exactly a bunch of leftist billionaires.
Citizens vs United basically ensured that any form of social economic reform is off the table for the foreseeable future. The political parties are bought and paid for, and will continue to funnel public spending into privatization until capitalism reaches terminal growth.
We can indirectly fight this through grassroots campaigning from the bottom up. Assuming we aren’t completely fucked by 2028 this type of strategy would ensure long term success.
I think “grassroots” campaigning is an idea that parties use to dangle as a carrot in front of the eyes of the progressive wings of the party. If you look at any successful “grassroots” campaign in the last ten years you’ll usually find someone with deep pockets funding them.
All campaigns take people’s time and money to sustain itself, without that funding you’re just going to be smothered out. Plus, this isn’t a localized problem, it’s systemic.
Grassroot campaigns are meant to solve endemic problems, it’s not something suitable to change the hierarchical structure of a national political party.
The innate problem with the DNC is that leadership roles are subservient to the people who control the actual funding of the party. People like Nancy Pelosi aren’t shot callers because of their “leadership abilities”, they are in control because they have long established connections to mega donors.
Apart from a France-esque uprising, focusing on local elections, State Assemblies, and reinforcing the foundations of strong candidates at the levels we can have individual impact at naturally helps on a larger scale. It’s really a question of organization, as funding at local levels can often be measured in the hundreds or thousands instead of the millions. People are tired of feeling helpless, let’s give them a way to channel that energy.
This is ultimately what I wanted if Biden/Harris won. Four years to prepare. Now it’s four years to survive.
Wait for them to die. Won’t be long now with Luigi cannelloni on the case.
Seconded
Goddamn just not gonna improve shit even a little bit, huh Democrats?
Democrats aiming to lose what little support they have left.
They would prefer to lose everything rather than move Left even a single inch.
And they have spent the last nine years proving that to everyone.
The thing is, when your horse is so high, you tend to overlook those down in the mud. But fear not! When that horse tips over, it’s a long and painful way down for those sitting so high up.
at least they’ll still have liz cheney
Gotta maintain that sweet status quo at all costs.
And by status quo, we mean giving ground to the right year after year.
Political parties in general tend to be extremely hard-headed and reticent to change. It often takes 3 or more elections being lost in the wilderness to get some turnover going.
The US, with its insanely gerrymandered districts, seems especially well positioned to keep the unpopular gerontocracy going as long as possible.
It often takes 3 or more elections being lost in the wilderness to get some turnover going.
I don’t think US democracy will survive two more Republican presidents.
Elections for the U.S. Senate are every 2 years, with 1/3 of the chamber up at each time and 6 year terms. That means you get 3 elections in 6 years.
The real test is the DNC chair election on 2/2/25.
It’ll honestly determine who wins 2028 more than who the candidates are I believe.
If Ben Wikler gets it, I think he’ll listen to voters and let a fair primary happen. If we get that, we’ll win the general regardless. But the party immediately picking a favorite and mixing money together before the first primary vote is cast just turns off Dem voters.
We at least need the illusion that there’s a fair process
We at least need the illusion that there’s a fair process
I don’t think an illusion would work, because it’s less about the idea of a fair process and more about how much the fina candidate makes people want to vote for them. That’s why a fair primary is necessary.
“Pelosi’s penchant for backroom sabotage was easy to cheer when she was pushing fellow octogenarian and likely loser Joe Biden out of the presidential race; it’s harder to justify when an eminently qualified rising star—who, whether Pelosi likes it personally or not, is widely known to be a cornerstone of the party’s future—pushes for a simple promotion,” Sammon added.
God damn…
Fuck the Democratic Party. We demand Progressive Party
Now is the perfect time to put together a new party. We have two years to make it viable. Assuming we still have elections.
!newpoliticalparty@lemmy.world is a new community for this purpose. Unfortunate it’s on .world
Bring back the moose!
Hopefully the old fuck just has a stroke tomorrow and keels over. That would be a fitting divine punishment for his hubris and desperate clinging to power. Those that refuse to let the next generation take the reins in their time deserve to sudden suffer sudden heart attacks. Peaceful retirement is for those who actually are willing to retire.
Where’s a Death Note when the world needs one?
If I get my hands on one of those, I’m going to need a microfiche writer…
Also, be prepared for a thousand fold multiplying of deaths due to auto-erotic asphyxiation…
We need so many more Luigi’s to fix this country for the hand sitters.
-Me, a hand sitter> I’m here to end insider politics!
> *plays insider politics*
> *gets fucked by insider politics*
Who could have seen this coming?
Imagine being such a hater that’s up your own ass that you hate AOC.
It’s great when the people running the country on both sides refuse to learn anything from their mistakes.
There seems to be only one side, with minor views on which group of people they are targeting.
Fuck off and stop talking, both sideser
Show me more how uneducated you are.
Fuck off and stop talking, both sideser
Imagine thinking that the people who run the government, the democrats and the republicans, aren’t the same people supporting corporations over people. You can call me what you like, but you’re just embarrassing yourself.
Fuck off and stop talking, both sideser
You sure do seem to love the government, lol.
And so AOC compromised everything she claimed to believe in for nothing. Still refused her seat at the table.
Let this be a lesson to any other progressives who thinks they can sell out to gain favor with party leadership.
Who or what did she sell out?
Everything she ever claimed she stood for. She hasn’t held to any promises, and has sold out progressives to the Dem establishment again and again and again.
Thanks for being specific.
You want me to rehash her entire political career of fucking over the base to appease Pelosi? There’s a reason people call her AOCia.
No need for the entire rehash–feel free to just cherry pick some votes from her track record that her base expected her to vote one way, but she voted another. Since she’s apparently done so again and again and again, that shouldn’t be too hard for you, as you seem to follow her career closely. When politicians do that kind of thing frequently enough to build a reputation, someone usually compiles those instances. A link to such a compilation would also work to sway your detractors.
You want me to rehash her entire political career of fucking over the base to appease Pelosi? There’s a reason people call her AOCia.
You seem super pissed about it and care enough to post repeatedly about it so if you want people actually believe you…yeah you should probably have literally anything to back it up.
Legitimately curious about this. Since the sources I read don’t mention this, I am afraid I’ll be doomed to relying on propaganda unless someone educates me. Please help me by providing examples of AoC selling out, and ideally link to the sources so that I may enlighten myself in the future. Thanks!
Let’s see the work you used to come to that conclusion. I’ll wait.
Try again but without being vague
Do you even read?
Yes, but I’m guessing a lot more theory and a lot less propaganda than you.
How did you manage to bend over far enough to suck your own dick? I heard you gotta get a rib removed or something?
What is this
I should’ve shopped in a speech bubble but I’m at work
If only the government gave a fuck about personal morals
For someone who doesn’t give a fuck about our personal morals, they sure spend a lot of money to manipulate them.
We could use a purple party where both butthurt teams can get along somewhere in the middle
DNC is so middle of the road and you need one even closer to the RIGHT??
That’s what the DNC keeps trying to be, and why they keep losing to fascists. They’ll do anything to not have to listen to their voters, because it costs their donors money
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