I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
If the game doesn’t run on Linux, there’s a good chance it’s using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
And/or that it’s coded badly. So I double don’t want it.
The game Smalland crashes Linux so hard, and I am tired of trying every possible launch option command and suggestion to get it running. I don’t know if it uses a root kit but it does something that causes the whole desktop to freeze.
Smalland
On protondb it has Platinum status https://www.protondb.com/app/768200/. It should work atleast with steam and proton. If I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, which is why I got it, but I have tried every suggestion in the protondb site and the steam forums and only got it to load the game one time before crashing the whole system, and this is running fedora 41, it freezes everything as soon as it loads. I’m sure I could check logs and prob try it again currently as I see proton-ge was recently updated, but I just moved on to a better game.
I know absolutely nothing about this game, and this comment might even come off as patronizing because of course you tried this… But if this is a game that has a Linux runtime, then Steam is going to default to that. In my experience, running the Windows version through Proton often works better… So I would double check that you’re using proton in the “compatibility” page in the per-game settings.
Also, if you haven’t yet, I’d try Proton-GE as that will sometimes work while regular Proton doesn’t.
Probably just a waste of time, but just in case you hadn’t tried yet.
I don’t feel that this is patronizing as I would be suggesting the same to someone who said they were having issues. I have tried the latest proton, the hot fix, the glorious egg roll version and several beta versions, and it’s that one game that crashes Linux.
Then I’m sorry about your experience. Maybe it has something to do with the versions of programs/libraries specifically on Fedor’s distribution. If I have the opportunity, I could try to run this game, but I have Arch linux.
Hey thanks for your concern, I have been thinking of other distros but so far everything has been running fine on Fedora, if it comes about that a game I really enjoy becomes unplayable then I will start checking out Arch.
If push comes to shove you can still try to run it using virtualization
You ever seen this XKCD about “today’s 10,000?”
Your rant reminds me of that because I think you’ve got this idea in your head that everyone in life is at the same point in their journey as you are now. Linux has been on the edge of my mind for awhile but I’m a really busy working person and learning a new operating system seems daunting when you don’t have the experience.
Then I bought a Steamdeck last year and a switch flipped in my head; I was like hey this gaming on Linux and it looks like it is actually doable. Then a few weeks back a misfortune resulted in Windows getting nuked on my gaming PC and I had some free time so installed Linux for the first time and started trying to figure stuff out.
My point is that there are people who are truthfully interested but overwhelmed with life or it’s just not as high a priority to them so it hasn’t happened yet but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. This approach of “they would have done it by now if they were going to” just seems silly to me. People have lives and we are all at different places in our journey.
Wow really can resonate with that one. I’m there right now
Uh I mean… “Nuh uh if you use windows you can eat shit and fuck off” /s
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I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
Why do you give a shit what os others use?
Because of bandwagon effect. The more people use linux, then even more will. And itll get more support from software and hardware developers. And the world will be more free, safe, and not controlled by a big corp.
Well said
Frankly I started to hold Linux like it was a religion, but beyond that admission it’s not that I care about them but them constantly saying shit like so which they know they don’t actually believe in or will do
Imagine advocating for a protest just for you to not even show up
I’ve been playing with linux since the mid 90s. I have it on majority of my devices, but my main is still running windows 10. Exactly because it doesn’t run everything I need 100%, nor do I enjoy spending hours trying to get things to work anymore.
I mean, I think protests are important but I have to work to stay out of the homeless shelter
There’s precisely one reason I care, to increase compatibility with linux.
Once anticheat works perfectly on linux, I’ll completely stop caring what other people do. Everything else will come with time.
I also don’t really care about more people switching to Linux, except for the fact that it’s gonna force developers to make their games run on Linux.
There’ll also be some downsides with more people using linux, like more viruses…
In a way, I’d focus more on the fact that it would be cool if more people used Linux on phones instead of ios/Android. That could make it easier to run at one point…
“I want to be able to use my expensive hardware for the reason I purchased it in the first place” seems like a pretty solid argument to me.
This is where I am. There are a lot of fancy features that modern graphics cards have that I want to make sure work with all my AAA titles. I have a Linux laptop for near everything that isn’t a game.
I know there’s a lot of people on Lemmy that feel differently, but I am a bit of a bleeding edge graphics whore. I like my raytracing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does raytracing not work on Linux for you?
Not sure what the situation is on the NVIDIA side, but Mesa’s raytracing performance is… lacking. Don’t get me wrong; it’s amazing that it works as well as it does, but even with a high-end card it’s not the best experience. I don’t personally care much about RT, but if I were more into it I would probably consider setting up a Windows dual-boot.
Not sure what the situation is on the NVIDIA side
Nvidia’s proprietary Linux drivers are effectively equal to their Windows drivers
I could only find “beta” drivers that were new enough to run Veilguard, which was annoying. I had to add some other ppa thing. Not a big deal, but would scare off some users.
This sort of thing is deeply distro dependent. Pop_OS and Linux Mint handle Nvidia drivers pretty seamlessly, for instance
I’m on Mint. It only offered up to version 550 and veilguard needed 565, if I recall
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=433321 was more or less my problem.
Ah, I see. My understanding is that AMD’s raytracing is just subpar compared to Nvidia, no matter what system you’re using, so I dunno what positive performance changes you’d see either way.
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn’t mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren’t using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
I had no interest in linux half a year ago and now I go around telling people that linux is less tinkering and headaches to play games and use daily than windows (cause it is)
At the time I wasn’t thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn’t have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would’ve made me mad about this post is that I wouldn’t shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I’ve got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it’s Lemmy and it’s online, it’s a person’s choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn’t a square where I’m screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it’s sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I’m the elder in this situation, I’ll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don’t want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
??? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you’re keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You’re sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you’re just a teenager because that means you’re going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Yeah you’re right
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers
I think this might be colouring your expectations a bit, and you might be projecting your experiences on to others.
I’ve said for years that it was gaming that was holding me back from running Linux full time. I don’t do a huge amount of gaming, but it is important to me, so for many years it was a deal breaker.
Now, gaming is good enough, even though it’s not perfect, and I moved to linux full time around 9 months ago.
People aren’t “lying”. They just have different priorities to you…
Pointless discussion.
Im ngl, I feel like its posts like these that make people dislike Linux users. Expecting every game that you own to run perfectly isn’t some insane requirement, its totally reasonable lol. I get that its kinda frustrating people won’t ever switch, but lets be real, the only way Linux is actually going to gain new users is by having it come pre-installed on devices. Look at the increased Linux use because it’s the default OS on the steamdeck. It just needs to be the default on more devices, and be solid enough that people don’t even notice they’re not on Windows. The amount of people who will actually go out of there way to switch their OS is so negligible it may as well not even count. So who cares about these people who will never switch, because they probably won’t matter much in the end anyway.
–And I say this as someone who has been on Linux full time for a little over a year now.
Lol, most games I own don’t run on windows without substantial tweaks and compatibility patches. Even then often games are buggy.
A game with texture issues on windows is badly made, a game with texture issues on linux is a game that doesn’t run properly on linux /shrug
it is insane, because it doesn’t even fucking apply to any version of windows, it’s bog standard for older windows games to just shit themselves in various ways.
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.
Not everyone’s circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you’re trying to share but cut people some slack…
It’s mainly Linux enthusiasts who evangelize other people to use it. So if others don’t want to move to Linux, let them be.
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Check out flameshot, not quite the same but still very good.
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If you are on KDE, Spectacle is top and can do everything even recording.
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In my experience linux runs every game I want and has done it with less issues, crashes and tinkering than it was on windows 11. I constantly see posts from windows users about how some game doesn’t work or crashes while it runs fine on both deck and pc. Only games not working are those that are disabled by devs to scapecoat massive amount of hackers onto linux users.
+1,or some old games which have some creepy game engine which quite buggy.For example my cousin like to play pet horsez 2 and it was need tinkering game works only window size screen not fullscreen
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I’m sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it’ll be familiar.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don’t know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
Why is it a lie if people don’t want to switch, because their games are not there yet?
It’s the generic they don’t like what I like cope.
This made me never want to try Linux.
The thing is that the privacy, speed, usability and configurability are so much better, it’s only you that’s missing out by making a statement like that. I’m sure it makes no difference to OP.
I switched in April and I cannot believe I was missing out on this for so long.
Fair enough, and who knows, maybe I will try it, I like open source and everything. It’s just op’s attitude was unappealing to say the least.
Yeah, I agree that OP’s attitude is unappealing. But it’s not like OP is an official spokesperson or ambassador for Linux or anything like that. It’s just a person giving their opinion. And in any large group of people there’s always going to be some that you don’t agree with. (and often they are the loudest most visible ones…)
And my comment was more to comment on the attitude rather than Linux itself.
I, too, make decisions based on what a random internet stranger’s attitude towards a thing is.
Nah I’m pretty sure OP is seething and they’re living in their head rent free.
They wouldn’t have typed an entire wall of salty, griping borderline man baby text if these users didn’t bother them. They clearly do.
That’s true.
I always find it puzzling when adults act like “You told me to do a thing so now I don’t want to do it” or “You said a thing that’s true, but in a way that made me feel bad so I refuse to accept it”. What’s going on in there?
Related question, do you think in words or feelings? Some people have a whole inner monologue, and some people do not. Some people think in pictures, or just wordless impulses.
It’s less of a knee jerk reaction of insolence against some perceived authority to rebel against, and more that I found the demeanor and entitlement of the post to be so utterly repugnant that I was put off. “You said you’d use Linux and didn’t how dare you”. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
As for your related question, the subtext is that you are accusing me of being an unthinking person who reacts only out of emotion, and I don’t particularly care for that, nor do I have any reason to tell you my internal mental processes, so I decline answering it.
You did come off as someone who reacts only on emotion, since that’s all that was visible in your previous post.
Being put off by the delivery of information is not typically a good reason to dismiss it. If someone says to you “3 is a prime number you donkey” you’re hopefully not going to reject that because they were rude. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it’s a pretty sloppy shortcut.
Since we’re talking about how people come off, you come off as one of those people who like to think they are logical and rational but are very dismissive of emotions (of others) and come off as condescending, because you are. You’re also probably pedantic.
So, to appeal to your rational side, just because a decision is based off of emotion doesn’t inherently invalidate it. If someone said “3 isn’t a prime number you donkey” and you got mad and argued that it was, you’re still correct even if the way you got to that conclusion wasn’t rational.
It’s probably a variation of ad homonym but I’m not going to bother to look up the specifics.
I think people over value emotions, but I realize I’m part of people too and it happens to me. Emotions are a fast heuristic but they’re not very inaccurate. They’re good for when speed is important, or when more information isn’t available. Neither is true on an async post about Linux. But yes, I can be dismissive of emotions but it’s something I’m working on.
I’ve seen too many people make strange, unhelpful, decisions because like “someone told me to do something and now I won’t” or “that guy was rude so I’m not going to listen”. That’s what your post felt like to me. (Note the emotional dimension there, heh)
Like, imagine a friend who always forgets their plans, is late, and double books themselves. You probably can’t just be like “use a calendar, dude”. You probably have to gently massage them and incept the idea. If you just tell them, they’ll feel bad, reject the idea, and continue having problems. (In real life, some months later the friend did come around to using a calendar, but only after uselessly wrestling with feeling bad)
That was a lot of delving into your personal opinions that I don’t care about to bury a “you’re right” in there. How typical, the only thing you relate to emotions is being unable to control someone else. They are another thing to get in the way of what you, like a selfish child that became a dictator, want. No empathy for the joys in life or sympathy for the sorrows, you hypocritically aggrandize logic through illogical opinions. They aren’t there specifically for decision making or as an accurate heuristic, they aren’t a tool for you to control, they are an experience to have while alive. Something you seem to be half assing. I’m glad you’re getting help but frankly it seems like you have a long way to go if you’re that level of control freak.
If you’re upset by this, you’re the type to be dismissive of emotions, I see no reason why I should consider yours in the slightest. If you don’t like how that feels, to have your emotions ignored, then I’ve given you something to think about, haven’t I?
It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
Sure… But your reaction was also childish and irrational.
A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black…
It’s a little calculated, but probably wouldn’t get picked up on by people.
Some people just need to be contrarian… It’s like Oppositional Defiance Disorder or something. Like a child.
Im Sure you think this is some sort of a ‘gotcha’ statement but I don’t really care, I’m more annoyed at people who wouldn’t even try but say that they will
Yeah, it’s a piss baby attitude. Why do you care if they don’t?
Because they act like they do care
Or maybe they just say they will try it to get you to stop badgering them about Linux
Who cares tbh
