Told you guys they’re just going to make up excuses to hate us. Unsuprising that anti-communists would use NATO-like tactics
They also posted a nato flag with the words “gay right are non-negotiable” unironically, bunch of vaushites
No matter, I shall simply post harder.
The GDR insignia makes everything cooler
Big disagree.
State sponsored gay bars go brrrrrrrrrrrr
lol ya we know loser now get back in ur locker
Lol. Hie thee back to whencever rock thou lurk beneath!
QUEER ARE NON-RIGHTS NEGOTIABLElol originally I had the spacing between “queer” and “rights” as well as “are non-” and “negotiable” not be as big, but it was hard to read when they were on the white stripe. Alas.
Hell yeah.
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Under the Allied occupation, some homosexuals were forced to serve out their terms of imprisonment regardless of time served in the concentration camps. The Nazi version of Paragraph 175 remained on the books of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) until the law was revised in 1969 to decriminalize homosexual relations between men over the age of 21.
The allies marched gay people right back into the camps they liberated. LGBT people have been getting shit on for a long time, it’s disingenuous to act like it’s somehow specific to communists
That’s a GDR flag (also known as East Germany), at the time the GDR had some of the best LGBT rights in the region.
What does Stalin have to do with that? Not every communist symbol is Soviet. Please actually bother to do some basic research before responding.
I love that the lore for the GDR’s state funding of gay culture was a bunch of Stasi dorks sitting around a table going “gay people are a huge security risk because if NATO discovers them they could be blackmailed with the threat of being outed.” And then someone is like “well what if we just normalized homosexuality and funded gay culture, periodicals, clubs, discos, and made it safe and encouraged for them to be out in society?” And all the stasi people are like “brialliant!” Coming to the right conclusion in the most bizarre way.
Makes me think about how easy it was to turn US spies and intelligence agents because they always had housing or medical or gambling debt so the soviets could just offer them cash to cover the problems their salaries didn’t.
That’s fair, actually.
Hey! Thanks for visiting! You should check out Cuba’s family code!
Cuba is actually cool, I’ve thought that for a long time. Of all the Communists I think Castro did it best, and he made life measurably better for Cubans. I cannot say the same about the Soviet Union or the PRC.
I’m glad you’re supportive of Cuba. Thats a good step in the right direction. But I can’t agree with you about the USSR or PRC because while they both made humongous missteps quality of life on average measurably improved for citizens of both countries, and there are many statistics that show that. I’m more critical of both countries than most people here (I won’t even BEGIN to defend population transfers in the USSR) but I would still definitely argue against the idea that those countries didnt make “life measurably better” for the majority of their citizens compared to what came before those country’s respective revolutions.
who has the best laws for queer people in the world?
If we’re going to talk about random other socialist countries, Cuba has covered all costs of medical transition under their nationalised health service since 2008
Compared to literally every country in NATO, yes
Funny. Years ago I sent a letter to European Union asking them to force participating countries to pass LGBT protections. They basically told me in a very polite way “sorry, can’t / won’t do”. NATO does even less than EU.
NATO recently refused Mette Fredriksen as their new president particularly because she had done too much for LGBT rights when she was prime minister of Denmark.
Classic Nazito.
Death to NATO
What if it was GAYTO and it was run only by gay countries like Belize and Thailand?
idk what country
is, but they should join because all the people from there are extremely pretty and i’ve heard a lot of them say about themselves that they are very gay.
Another blahaj user called it out and the user deleted it and apologized.Edit: I was thinking of a different post, but this was removed.
Not seeing this apology anywhere
My last post was a post equating NATO with gay rights with the caption “fuck tankies”. That is not the case. I simply found a screenshot on discord and posted it because I was unreasonably angry at hexbear due to the brigading of the discussion thread. Hexbear does have some nice people among their very politically charged communities. Have a picture of sleeping ducks instead.
It was
but they thought better of it.Ah, okay. I thought you were talking about the user posted in the OP of the thread
Oh my mistake, I got the posts mixed up, this was also removed but I don’t think the user apologized, sorry.
Yeah I checked their post history and nothing
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for the record this user has 130 comments in their community and has yet to be banned. letting 196 on a trans instance was a mistake, it would have been better to grab people from /r/traaa or tgcj
if anyone said anything extremely transphobic like this here theyd be banned instantly, longevity of the account or no
absolutely 100% what i’ve witnessed lurking on all the big active threads lately. people deliberately misconstruing what we’re saying, outright LYING about shit (like they were downvoted/called some slur that is on our filters), and just bullshit concern trolling about shit liek BriGaDiNG (you mean using the fucking website? lmao) allll that shit annoys me.
Saw one going off about how hexbear is shitting up lemmy.world - the site that famously pre-emptively defederated. And the mentioned claims of downvoting/slur use that are technically impossible. They really will make anything up nothing to stand on.
No the lemmy.world one is true. I’ve been hacking the internet and doing technomancy to make them post bad takes! 🤖
hexbear is shitting up lemmy.world
mf how?
No, we must appease them further. We must debase ourselves. We must constrict ourselves. We must put on the armour that Giovanni made for Mewtwo to constrict our powers and serve them. We exist to serve liberals their tepid, stale-ass ideology and memes on a webforum run by ostensible communists.
It’s really strange, I thought the alt right playbook vids were being overdramatic with the Nazi bar syndrome. I can’t tell if the concern trollers are unintentionally libbing out or just fascists doing their job to prevent any sort of left unity. Same thing maybe.
I don’t want to insult anyone by calling them a bot or a bad actor, but I feel more safe posting here than over in their supposedly “less troll” instance.
I think that response is weird. Feels like a nice pat on the back, “you see someone who’s a friend and is saying stuff that is good, but they’re bad, and you should cut them off. Also that’s a good sign that you have so many friends?” And an NPR podcast? Like it feels so on the nose I’m doubting reality
also referring to a community of people as “media”.
Not dehumanizing at all. Maybe this will help them feel more comfortable?
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it’s supposedly a sign that your minitory group has truly taken hold in society
Huge “I think the trans people have all the rights they need and are more than equal” vibes. 3 comments ever. Is funding the ko fi donations though, so maybe just a very poorly worded thing to say? I don’t think a right wing op would be donating to a pro trans blahaj lemmy instance as cover.
Yeah it might be more simple than that. The horrible thing about propaganda is you don’t need to have ill intent or even understand it, you just need to repeat it and the damage is done.
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idk about that, i’ve met a lot of trans people living stealth and not one of them was really happy with that, it’s something you do out of self preservation instinct or because you think you missed the chance to come out and now it would be weird or w/e and all of them worry about being clocked way too much and have that nagging feeling that they always have to act. What makes me happiest about having come out is particularly that i do not have to do that anymore, that i can be authentic and true to myself and i couldn’t do that if i would have to fake being a cis girl every time i clock in at work.
Yeah, i get it, good passing is practical and the less you suffer from your reflection the better, i can relate to that even though i’m nowhere near “finished” - but here’s the thing, i don’t see anybody besides baby trans worry as much about this stuff as people who pass perfectly and are conventionally attractive as hell. And it’s not just - or at least not only - fishing for compliments, being a highly assimilated trans person correlates really fucking strongly with a lack of self acceptance in my experience. And i also see a very strong correlation between being a happy trans person and not giving a flying fuck about cisnormativity.
The kind of lifestyle you’re describing is a trap. And i don’t mean “being done with medically transitioning and financially secure”, i know a ton of trans people who fall into that category and aren’t of the opinion that the cistem works for them, because it never works for us, even if we pass perfectly and have the right papers we still have to live in a society full of transphobes. And when they don’t know we’re around, they do not hold that back, either. I know way too many stories about experiences like that from trans people with good passing, especially when it comes to dating (that is not helped by putting “btw i’m trans” in your dating profile, all awful men seem to universally share the trait of never reading these). And if that’s not enough, you just have to look at any queer news source out there if you want to feel trampled upon. It’s inescapable how we as a group are treated even if oneself is very safe from that.
The people who are like you describe have not arrived at their position for material reasons, as there is no actual material safety for trans people in our society. This isn’t like being gay where being rich and white enough means you don’t have to worry. This is “being rich means that i can make realistic plans to leave my home country and everyone i love if they come for us” material safety we’re talking about here. Yes, that’s a form of privilege, but in itself all these privileges, passing privilege, paperwork privilege, medical privilege, being able to bug out privilege are not enough to become the kind of person you’re describing. One of your examples had to flee across half the world from a targeted harassment campaign. You see awful takes from trans people who still boymode after years of HRT and think they can never come out without getting FFS first, you see good takes from trans people who can live off their patreon money and are working on their mainstream media career, and the latter doesn’t surprise me at all because even these people constantly get reminded where they’re coming from.
The reason some trans people become awful pick mes is not exclusively, but largely false consciousness.
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All of this is absolutely correct, trans people are at a massively increased risk of unemployment and homelesness, even in systems with comparably good healthcare being wealthy makes the difference between being gatekept and transitioning freely (and in most countries, for many people wealth is basically required for perfect passing because most places do not cover stuff like FFS even if they have public healthcare for HRT and bottom surgery) and all of these are factors that radicalize people and play a huge part of why so many trans people are anarchists or communists. They’re not the only factors, seeing that liberal democracy doesn’t give a shit about me would’ve definitely radicalized me as well if i wouldn’t have already been ML when coming out, but the combination of being trans and poor is pure revolutionary sentiment fuel, i can attest to that. I burn hot on most days.
pretty bizarre, i feel like im speaking a different language sometimes.
we are. we don’t agree on the meanings of basic words. like reactionary. and fascist.
100% this. We’re operating in fundamentally different and irreconciliable realities. We cannot both be right.i doubt most of them understand why we keep talking about history and theory and precedent, or trying to pull out citations and documents. That’s not how their world works.
being so treat brained I can only think of other people in terms of treats and treat-standins
God we’re not even trolls. We’re not trying to provoke people so we can laugh at them. That’s not what dunking is. Dunking is absolutely sincerely telling people what shitheads they are. The idea that most of us are 100% sincere and we absolutely do believe the libs believe what they say and we absolutely do care about their beliefs, take their beliefs seriously, and accord their beliefs exactly as much respect as they deserve is beyond them.
And ugh, fucking npr. I stopped listening years ago bc it was always “marketplace money”. Fuck npr, and the bill and melinda gates foundation.
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the kremlin is wildly trans positive, apparently. who wouldve thought
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Wait you’re telling me there’s a railroad just for trans Siberians?
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Transgender rail infrastructure in Asia got me like
Absolutely need to post this
Uhh, don’t you mean disinformatsiya? It was really funny when the news was going all out to say “fibbing is a well known russian tactic” a few years ago.
mods, if we’re going to make concessions to the other instances around our posting, they need to ban this kind of transphobic bullshit. that this user wasn’t banned is deeply offensive and rage inducing. how can they call themselves a queer instance and allow this kind of shit to stand? removing the comment is fine and all but it allows the user to continue posting this drivel at us whenever we post.
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This is a tangent, but have you talked with our friends over there about how 196 is extremely hostile to our existence and what is to be done about that? It seems like a sticking point.
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What was there to make fun of? “LOL this tankie is trying to address problems diplomatically”
They’re doing internet edgelord shit. Kindness and diplomacy are evidence of weakness. They’ve already decided we’re ontologically evil, and anything we do regardless of what it is proves that. Unfalsifiable orthodoxy.
there’s not enough PPB in the world for that instance
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Theyre deleting comments calling them out for using the -tard suffix. Lol. Lmao
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Can we have our own defed vote, which ends 2 days before theirs?
My argument: I think it’d be funny.
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if there’s no willingness or ability to address mods who post harmful content towards trans and disabled comrades, I’ll do it.
imo we should find some way to forcibly federate and burn down 196
they send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue
Touch one, touch all.
You shouldn’t have had to take that
Especially since you were working so hard on putting out fires before they started
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she said she didn’t feel comfortable doing that and said I could.
wtf. She’s the fucking admin. Does the mod have a gun pointed to her head or something? This is completely ridiculous. “I have admin rights, but I can’t do anything to a subordinate who I personally appointed.” Don’t gimme that shit.
You’ve been had. She’s just the good cop in the good cop, bad cop routine.
It really does seem like she’s laying the groundwork to defed from Hexbear next week.
That whole thread is the first thing that makes me think we should actually defederate with them. The amount of bad faith is untrue, and allowing such an unprofessional mod is untrue.
Even after Ada made the request not to leak DMs, the response was just some awful bad-faith scribbling over it with a pencil and still keeping it public. Absolutely awful. Props to you for reaching out and trying to have a discussion
i mentioned it, seemed to get brushed off, could mention it again to stick it home later
nice profile pic!!!
it’s the best emote
lmao I really love how these rancid motherfuckers just make shit up
Like do they realize we can see their posts? Why lie, just own your anti-communism
Honestly I’d rather be called a slur than deal with this sanctimonious horseshit
it doesn’t come down to Trans solidarity, but what this community believes on a moral level
yuck, love having white nationalist pedophiles talking about “morality”
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No it doesn’t. Lmao.
You’re just showing how completely unfamiliar with anything to your left you are.
what is this replying to
“It gives off a massive Conservative pretending to be trans vibe / as a black man.”
Saying this gives off a massive “I have never seen criticism of liberals from anyone other than conservatives” vibe. This is clearly their first ever encounter with real leftists. They default to “these people are conservatives” whenever they see anyone say anything negative about liberals and this only occurs when you’ve literally never actually spoken to a single real socialist before.
You’re fair asking, I wasn’t very clear.
oooh ok
There are people here PRETENDING to be trans!?
This is unacceptable. Please report yourselves forthwith.
This is gonna bring out a lot of false positives with how common imposter syndrome affects the trans community. It’s me, I’m the fake trans.
Let me take a look at the readings…
By God… It says your trans level is off the charts!
What’s the mantra “All trans people are valid except me”. I’ll be the designated person saying this, since I’m cis anyway.
the fake trans
no. such. thing.
Reading comments like this is actually upsetting, how are these people real and posting on blahaj
I have no idea, but the answer is probably liberalism
The nice thing about a hegemonic culture that pervades your whole observable world is you really can blame it for nearly everything.
It makes me sad a bit, because it sort of indicates a lack of connection to local community. I don’t think you can navigate irl queer community without running into some queer commie who doesn’t care about tone, or some enby chaos gremlin who likes to have fun.
It may not be your vibe, but if you can’t even contextualize what’s happening here, it’s a bit of a tell.
I’ve seen one of these clowns get called out for that exact kind opf transphobia and he admitted he had never talked to a trans person IRL. Remember that r/196 has always had a massive chaser problem because it’s full of V*ush fans.
It’s also chauvinism, applying a political litmus test to declare who is trans- as if they have a monopoly on it or something.
The chaser stuff really bothers me too, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being horny, but when you’re doing shit like that in what are supposed to be trans spaces? and acting like you get to say what politics are allowed? just sends me into a rage
abbysmuscles said it best here for anyone scrolling https://hexbear.net/comment/3763733
I’m generally careful with the term, i get that not everybody dating trans people is a chaser, i have cis masc friends who’ve been in relationships with trans girls, i cherish all relationships where i see my sisters thrive, i’m t4t myself, but as soon as something that may be fetishization and something that is obvious transphobia intersects, the case is crystal clear.
It’s me. I pretended to be trains. I don’t even need to run on tracks i can go cross country. : (
Trains is hard job.
If there’s one thing that conservatives and trolls enjoy doing, it’s creating an account on a niche forum to…
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…pretend to be trans so you can chill out among other fake trans users and be supportive of them, even though they’re faking it?
It’s like transvestigation, but in reverse. Cis-picions? Straight-jacketing?
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there were hexbears in the closet and they were being secretly transphobic and one of the transphobic jokes looked at me
also nice buttigieg word salad at the end
also nice buttigieg word salad at the end
“If you believe in what is right, then it is right to believe in your beliefs. Our struggle is fundamentally about solidarity, trans rights, freedom, and above all, peace. Therefore, we should nuke Beijing, Pyongyang, Caracas, and Havana, nuke them to ashes.” - average anti-AES liberal
I read this in Mewtwo’s voice from The Pokemon Movie and it is the perfect
kind of shit he would say lmaoPokemon The Movie 2023: Mewtwo Makes Shit Up
Mew
was literally coming here to post this, beat me to the punch
square peg through a circle hole ass logic
they’re like me but they don’t buy into the same lib shit I do, therefore they must be faking it enmasse! world view secure
how people should act, and how we believe people should be treated at a fundamental level
Hexbears are violating my human dignity by calling me a liberal
sorry you need some psychopathic conspiracy theory to justify your existence. but people just hate you
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I’m not saying it is that to be clear, it just reads like a goddamn fed
“If you’re not a cop, you’re doing a cop’s job” applies. Wrecking (and similar conduct) is bad no matter who it’s from.
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Correct. My view is it’s not productive or necessary to get into who is or isn’t a cop, because at the end of the day it’s unknowable. Wrecking/other disruptive conduct is the problem, so I tend to focus on that.
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Everything that I’ve seen from that instance is duplicitous two-faced behavior. I think some people here are still caught up with federation hype. Carving a space for trans people on Lemmy doesn’t need to look like a federation of trans instances. It could also look like one giant instance where transphobes, terfs, enbyphobes, chasers, and other reactionaries get sent to the blender and any instance that dares to traffic transphobia receives a warm visit from the All Active Army.
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Hey, they could be a fed and still actually trans. The CIA is very progressive about who it hires as Gestapo agents.
But really I think they are a youngish trans liberal in denial.
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I can absolutely believe this isn’t a fed or an op, just a smug asshole with terminal cerebral mccarthyism. It’s such a mindless, foolish thing to say.
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Some of them are. It’s difficult to tell if they’re using bad arguments in good faith or bad faith, but it is so obviously transparent they have a
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That kind of pig headed, stupid, aggressive ignorance has been very frustrating during this whole experiment with federation.
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I’m not going to engage in the same erasure as this piece of shit but imagine if we all started highlighting how much of a concern troll/wrecker/“fed pretending to be trans” type of comment this is. I’m not saying it is that to be clear, it just reads like a goddamn fed and you don’t see us pissing ourselves and accusing others of not being trans.
Yea, its pretty bad but that’s generally been the whole vibe from lemm.ee or blajah. Say the most offensive and improbable shit possible and just pretend like they asked about the weather.
We are literally just very gay, there is no pretending here
can I get a uhhh
It’s from their admin post. Dunking not suggested tbh.
It’s not against the rules, as it stands
True, only top level comments.
Wait, did you mean this post, or going over to the thread to dunk, because the latter is in fact against the rules
Maybe I am misunderstanding the rules but I think it’s technically allowed to call them out as long as no one posts the url here. However, I think that would be a dumb idea and suggest against it. It’s also probably not in the spirit of the rule.
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Shitlib debate ref spontaneously appearing like Mr. Referee from Medabots to be annoying.
Don’t fucking use my magic against me. I was there when this image was made, child.
I literally invented ad hominems. Which you would know if you weren’t a soda bitch.
Omg a brigade MODS MODS MODS MODS
Smdh these mean meanies coming in to our instance and brigading our posts like this is some kind of federalized decentralized news agregator!
I can’t be bothered to make a point
Skill issue. Not our fault you people have brainworms.
If I wanted to convert you to communism I’d make a colouring book, not some complex text post. The dunk tank is for laughing at a stupid thing. It’s not meant to spread the gospel of Marxism.
Does that community exist on this instance?
We have a theory comm if that’s what you mean, and one for marxism more specifically as well.
Not really. A lot of it is agitating content but I don’t come here to agitate liberals because that’s insufferable. I’d do that on reddit if it accomplished anything. Hexbear is just dadaist shitposting for existing leftists.
You said you wanted to defed with us, yet here you are, pissing in the same trough
love to jump into a post displaying how our trans comrades are treated to screech about how our words and thoughts will never mean anything.
really good idea. definitely doesn’t make you look like a sociopath.
Well thats obviously untrue considering all the chapo and reddit refugees we’ve accumulated this last week
But keep making shit up bro, eventually something may stick
hey quick question can you show us your penis
begone
Ah, damn, I can’t believe strange and non-institutionalized concepts based off of complex historical arguments and relationships can’t just be distilled into one to two paragraphs for Smart-Guy McDefinitelyCaresAboutThis to jerk off to, and in general require additional context and reading materials for comprehensive application and understanding. Weird.
Incredulity Fallacy.
Please stop brigading Serinus.
You do realize that we know this right? You do realize that when someone says something hurtful and disgusting and vile like this, we aren’t trying to change their mind right? You do realize that you’re encouraging silence in the face of violence right? You do realize that
is made for people like you right?i’m gonna tell you right now, we don’t care
stop brigading us
We’re not here to debate people. If someone is being a shithead we’re going to call them a shithead and hurt their feelings. Get used to the internal circlejerking. We’re most of the lemmyverse by post volume now.
You’re nearly never getting your points across to anyone outside of your existing clique.
That must be why we’re getting all these new peeps from other instances who all mention being swayed by our points
this is just you complaining about having to read you absolute dumbass
