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This thread kind of disproved itself
You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho
Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.
Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda
Oof sounds bad
Fuck both sides of the shitbird
The problem with American democracy is the voting system. A party that isn’t either thre democrats or the republicans will never win because people know if they vote for anything else there vote will be pointless.
America needs preferential voting but will never implement it because it would mean the two party system will be demolished (which is in neither of the two party’s best interest.)
It’s not just that. It’s that politicians get to pick the voters through voter purges,gerrymandering, I’d requirements etc.
Umm… Even us on .world agree that Dems are controlled opposition and useless if we want any actual change.
Join us on hexbear and lemmygrad
I mean, i usually get modest upvotes when i talk about this sort of thing. I believe if we actually want to stop this fall into authoritarianism, our first step is to take control of the Democratic Party. How do you do that? Don’t vote for Neo liberals and ignore everyone who cries that unless you vote blue no matter who the republicans will win. That obviously doesn’t work, and democrats work against leftist policies. They whole time leading up to the election it was all “now is not the time” well i played their game and lost. Now it’s time.
Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?
This place is pretty far left dude lol. You wont find anyone pro israel here.
You can on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net
What the hell kind of answer is that? Are you saying that only the pro-Russia instances allow you to call out the genocide?
Speaking against Israel’s campaign should never be disallowed (AFAIC, should be encouraged), but not as a fake pro-Trump talking point. We see how that turned out for Gaza.
The only instance I’ve noticed that on is midwest.social.
Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.
As a trans person i am currently eating shit for breakfast every day to protect myself, my friends, and humanity. Lesser evil is starting to look like “not being murdered” sometimes
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
You’re absolutely right
The Democratic Party as a whole is like milk in your fridge that’s a week past its “best by” date.
The Republican Party is milk that a dog vomited on a Texas in July sidewalk.
We’re drinking one of them, because no alternative is possible in the near term.
It’s possible to vote for Democrats in 2026 and '28 and '30 and '32 while we build an alternative that can have electoral success, or takeover the Democratic Party from within or heck turn the Republican Party into a party worth supporting…
If all the milk in my fridge is spoiled, I throw it out. Maybe try that?
Here you go. This is an option. There is historical precedent. The tea party, to name one example.
Aye, we need a new system.
Great. Now you’re dying of thirst and the only milk left is the dog throw up vomit.
You can’t game the system by just saying you would do it better. That’s not how it works.
So keeping with your analogy, you’re going against ever bit of legitimate survival advice from every single person that has any knowledge on survival, and you think you’re still making the right choice?
In any situation where clean water isn’t an option you still don’t drink things that will sicken you.
You can work to purify whatever liquid you have (which can be the easiest or worst option), you can leave the area and try to find safer sources of water, or you can piss in your own mouth for a while and try to do one of the other two things in the mean time.
Voters like you, however, drink the spoiled milk, diarrhea in your own mouths, while promising if you keep doing it you’ll get around to purifying your own milk laden shits if you just keep funding genocide.
You can’t change a rotted system from within anymore than you can survive on contaminated water. At best you’re making your life so much worse while deluding yourself into thinking you’re doing the right thing.
Ok awesome, you’re across the street yelling saying to drink better milk without actually having any better milk. That doesn’t make the situation any better
More like I’m showing you a 150 year old water purification technique that is proven to work and you’re concerned it might not taste as good and requires too much work so you’ll just keep drinking your own recycled shit and cry that there’s no solutions.
Great. You just want people to drink spolied milk and are gloating because they don’t get a meaningful choice. You don’t care if you have to also have the dog vomit as long as no one gets a better choice than the spoiled milk, ever.
No, id much rather everyone on the block have better milk all around. But while you and your neighbors are refusing to drink the week old milk and dying of thirst, I’m over here trying to come up with an actual game plan with my spoiled milk instead of just screaming at others to drink better milk without actually having any source of better milk.
I don’t see your cow anywhere, but yet you act as if one’s going to magically appear cause you want it to.
No, id much rather everyone on the block have better milk all around.
Your positions indicate otherwise.
I’m over here trying to come up with an actual game plan with my spoiled milk
So far it looks like you’re gloating that no one has anything decent to drink.
80 million Dem voters (depicted as “crowd of NPCs” meme): “We are voting for Democrats in the near term because there is no other option”
I’ll keep saying it, the DNC is a sunk cost. You will keep trying to get them to stand up for you; get them to care; get them to fight. They will keep taking your energy; taking your money; and taking your vote and do nothing with it.
Big donors have recognized it. It’s time for the people to recognize it too. That means you.
A democratic that is average at democracy is better than a conservative who is great at authoritarianism.
“average at democracy” is when you aggressively expand the world’s largest police state while persuing a policy of genocide.
Most people wanted to stop sending money for wars, and Democrats kept sending money for wars. Most people wanted to defund the police and democrats tripled the police budget. That is not a democracy. That is the total opposite of a democracy.
Tripled the police budget?
Yes, Joe “We have to back the blue” Biden tripled the police budget during and after the BLM protests
Also curious what police budget he doubled, I thought congress handled money
What police budget?
Lemmy.ml; sigh.
Wake me up when you provide a feasible plan that doesn’t involve ritual self-mutiliation.
Join PSL (Party for Socialism and Liberation)
Nice. Now something that doesn’t involve ritual self-mutilation?
At this point, we do need to burn the Democratic Party to ashes. We need to put it out of its misery and let It needs to go the way of the Whigs. Some things simply can’t be repaired.
There have been many countries caught in this same authoritarian trap that we’re in now. And one common lesson is that you need to give up on the captured opposition if you want to have any hope of actually ending the authoritarian regime.
Democrats are going to lose again in 2028. They’re going to yet again nominate a corporate centrist and yet again try the failed policy of appealing to Republican suburbanites. That’s all these clowns know.
How many times do they have to lose elections before we give up on these fucking losers? They lost in 2016, they lost in 2024, and they would have lost in 2020 if it weren’t for Covid.
The only reason to vote for Democrats is a pragmatic approach - they’re better than the alternative. But they don’t actually have that pragmatic argument anymore, and they haven’t for a long time. They’ve been completely unelectable for a decade at this point.
They’re a party of losers. Just absolute, irredeemable losers. They are fundamentally incapable of winning a presidential election now. They just don’t have it in them.
We need to let them go. It’s ritual self-mutilation to keep trying to prop up the dead corpse that is the Democratic party. It’s dead man. It’s time to let it go.
nice, even more self-mutilation talk. lets remove the opposition without offering a viable alternative. that’ll show it to these fascist pigs…
(i’ve lived this shit through too. it hasn’t panned out yet either)
Bad faith, I see
I’ve actually lived under this brand of “socialism”. Have you?
(I think I’ve got the answer to this question)
Pumpkin Spice Latte?
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Grassroots campaigns for small local government positions building gradual power for progressives to replace them. Do your part.
ok, you win! this is by far the smartest response. everyone else is like lets tear shit down without an actual plan of replacing at the same scale.
I’m sure this will fix the frustration of people who already live in deeply progressive states.
