Weird how everything is somehow the dems fault…
The dems are one of the only groups in the US who (legally) had the power to:
- reduce voter suppression
- fix the electoral system in general (e.g. remove the broken FPTP system)
- stop sabotaging popular candidates
- not choose a senile dementia-sufferer to remain the country’s leader for years
- support the worker class instead of the owning class and get their votes (too many things to list)
- support US citizens instead of imperial interests in countries half the population can’t plot on a map
For most of these things, they should have been doing this long, long ago, before even Obama’s terms. The Democrat Party clearly had the power of the state for more than enough time to make them look like an alternative rather than a complicit ally of the Republican Party. Why should they not be seen as at fault?
did you not read the text in the pic? did it not load for you? lemme transcribe.
“My roommate described Republicans as the mass shooter and Democrats as Uvalde cops, and I can’t get it out of my head”
maybe, if you want people to vote for you, you should try fighting for them. maybe, if you want people to vote for them, you shouldn’t sacrifice them and sell them out at every opportunity. maybe, if you want people to vote for you, you should take office when you win the election(2000) not betray every promise and ideal that has ever come out of your mouth (2008) and not be a thug who uses the threat of a worse thug to gaslight and collectively abuse a nation being indistinguishable politically from the guy you rolled over for in 2000 (2020).
maybe you could try some sort of harsh fingernails-and-teeth parliamentary resistance? more than one guy, and try not shunning him for it (like you did literally last week). maybe organize armed groups to fight the nazis in the streets? I know, wishful thinking; you would never fight your work friends.
but, you know; you could do something for us. if you want us to vote for you. hell, maybe try just not spending our tax money on murdering children for OTHER nazi shit heads for literally no benefit to us? maybe spend it on building bridges instead. or stimulate the economy by hiring a bunch of local sex workers and partying every night; whatever.
So many of these clowns can’t be bothered to vote but will still blame the dems.
I agree. The Trusk team has got the ball rolling for some of trump’s base, but we have to figure out a way to separate the rest from him. I really don’t know how at this point. Common sense doesn’t work and they never see the people making fun of them because they live in a bubble. It’s starting to be too late.
At this point why should they say anything? They’ve been fighting tooth and nail for years against this. I feel this is the ‘when your enemy is making mistakes, don’t interfere’. They’re letting people see what they voted for, or didn’t get off their ass to vote for. Not even being part of Trumps’ base will be able to insulate them from what they’re about to struggle with.
They’ve been fighting tooth and nail for years
I’m not old enough to really have much memory of the clinton. but after he did so much for racial equality and ending the drug war, I can’t begrudge the man a blowjob.
I DO remember during the brooks brothers riots, where they kicked the shit out of those fascists. I remember the guy with the full back tattoo of nixon’s face, being stepped on a bunch. I remember it was kinda controversial when president gore pardoned the people who did it, but it was obvious self defense; the cameras caught it all. I’m glad they fought that shit in the supreme court, and put those bastards in their place. they could’ve done some real damage to society if left unchecked, before we got rid of the reagan appointees.
fuck the gore administration was good. you remember those guys who tried to blow up those decrepit shit hole buildings in new york all those times? and the boondoggle of demolishing them that lead to that weird gay-coded-but-not-gay musical theater real estate failson from the home alone movies being elected governor of new york in 2018? that was so weird. glad he got what he deserved. kind of annoyed people didn’t make a bigger deal about all the rape he did.
I remember what president gore did for climate change, the scandal after energy was too cheap to meter for a couple years, and then we had to start metering it again because of that cryptocurrency nonsense, even though it was still cheaper than it had ever been at any point in the 20th.
I remember how the democrats in congress kept us out of that dumb fucking war the fascists tried to get us into in 2001 with their bullshit lies. I bet it would’ve killed or crippled like half the guys I went to high school with, and the first girl I ever kissed-maybe not directly, but she was the kind of uncritical heroic idiot who’d have rushed into some shit over her head, come back with horrible PTSD, and eventually killed her dumb ass over it-we still talk sometimes. I know without the democratic party, I probably wouldn’t have my dumbest friend. I remember when the dems in congress swept in and put a stop to all that subprime mortgage nonsense in 2006, stopped anyone from losing their homes, and locked up all the coke addled wall street goons who tried to con us all.
Al gore was a pretty great president, and with so many good people in the deliberative branch, how could we NOT have stopped global warming in its tracks? lol, tracks, like all the trains. I can go basically anywhere in the country on maglev. giving the japanese a run for their money, at least in the midwest. kinda disappointed the HSR in california uses traditional overhead wire on steel rails, but I can go from san diego to san francisco and hang out in the bay then come back home for dinner. I remember when it used to take that long to drive there-and that was really the only way-from sacramento, one way. I grew up walking and biking everywhere, imagine how many scars and broken bones I’d have if I had tried doing that shit for my entire adult life in a nation that still worshipped cars? I bet I’d look like fucking frankenstein’s monster by now.
I remember when they went after white supremacist terror groups being funded by our tax dollars during the gore administration, like the lynwood vikings, the moment they found out. WHOO! LOCAL WIN! that was pretty cool of obama to do. I remember the press release. I actually lived nearby at the time. seeing FBI snipers take out local cops, then pull off their LAPD uniforms to expose all the nazi tattoos and hang them on la brea avenue? that was fucking wild, man. there was a whole arc in the punisher comic books where he had like a crisis of conscience and became an FBI agent and it was weird, and he felt like an asshole when he had to quit but kept respecting them; it felt like it could have been realistic, I honestly felt something similar at the time, but it was so fucking badly written. fucking marvel comics, man. they could have made such good movies; you can tell by how popular the DC comics cinematic universe got under whedon (creepy bastard).
I remember when they were gonna ratfuck the wildly popular candidate for an arrogant hack who wouldn’t even have remembered to register everywhere she could have, but then decided not to, and won the 2016 election in a historic landslide, breaking the whole ‘red state/blue state’ paradigm. that was one of the best administrations we ever had, like a perfect whatever the reverse of a black mirror is of the reagan administration. the other guy was all “make america great again!” but president sanders actually did it. plus, cuban rum and the lung cancer vaccine. yesplz.
I remember after the “UNITE THE RIGHT” rally where the nazi in the car killed that lady? the one with all the tiki torches and polo shirts? where the ATF had been waiting on like a perimeter, and took a lot of flak for not charging in and killing those bastards sooner. I hear some of the surviving nazis ended up in gitmo. it wasn’t perfect, but it was ordered directly by a democratic cabinet officer. I hear president sanders was in the loop, he took some heat for letting that lady die, but honestly it could have gone so much worse.
I remember on january 7th, 2021, after the insurrection, when the white house lawn was covered in gallows of the nazi insurrectionists. the ones that didn’t get mowed down by machine guns day-of. the dems did right that day.
I remember when the weird guy from home alone 2? that guy kept insisting he was president and lead that shit, after they impeached him from the governership and kicked him out of office, they locked him in the darkest cage they had. I hear it was somewhere in syria. got blown up during the trouble there. some of his followers insist he’s still alive, but LOL, no fucking way. that guy wouldn’t live ten seconds in a war zone.
I remember when the FBI switched up their priorities and decided to go after domestic white supremacist terror groups, including foreign owned misinformation operations, like not-twitter and fox news, like they were black communists who’d just blown up a pipeline and sabotaged a logging operation. the killings were… I mean, it was kind of intense, and there was a lot of collateral damage, but they were nazis, you know? they would have done more damage if left alive, I bet. I didn’t even know how to feel while it was happening, I used to be an anarchist, and here was the fucking FBI, funded to hunt people like me like we were dogs, and they were killing nazis. real anti-hero hours, and if you’d told fifteen year old me I’d be cheering on the feds, I’d have laughed you out of the room, but they did good. I haven’t even seen a swastika in years, except when I replayed wolfenstein recently-kind of an irrelevant goofy nonsense game, but I played the old one when I was a kid. im glad we beat those bastards IRL back in the 40s.
god, getting gay marriage and trans rights in the constitution in 2010? fixing that loophole in the 13th amendment and ending private prisons? election reform? single payer healthcare? it’s pretty great. I like it here. I used to think I wouldn’t make it to 25 after my parents kicked me out. I used to think most of my friends were more doomed than I was. I was kind of a depressed edgelord I guess. but here we all are. all those old AIDS crisis survivors in the queer community sound silly, but the past is a foreign country, so let’s not judge our elders too harshly.
I guess I also remember the bad old days, when people would die unhoused outside empty houses. I remember the bad old days when so many people couldn’t get healthcare, and stores locked up dumpsters full of perfectly edible food. I remember the bad old days when people were afraid of the state. when people were afraid of the people paid by their tax dollars. when our tax dollars funded corrupt religious institutions, and taught their bullshit in public schools. I’m glad we’re past all that. I’m glad nobody thinks absurdist edgelord authors like bacigalupi are remotely serious anymore. it’s kind of ridiculous we ever thought otherwise, with leadership like this. when they defunded the local police after those killings, I became one of the emergency response social workers; it’s damn fulfilling work. Would you believe I used to be an anarchist? like, I’m still kind of a curmudgeon sometimes about bureaucracy and stuff, but with a robust safety net and amazing education and a world that pretty much works, with such a bright outlook for the future, I really don’t have much to complain about, and the complaints I do have all feel kind of petty. I used to think states couldn’t work, and america was an existential evil. I guess it’s still problematic sometimes, the international policies aren’t all great, but… I dunno; I feel like it’s a net good; just look at how we saved all those people by giving the world free vaccines during the pandemics. I guess I was proven wrong. I don’t know what to call myself now. just “democrat” i guess.
Things could go downhill, since they fucked it that last election. sanders was a tough fucking act to follow, especially that second term. I’m not worried though. they’re still fighting it in the courts, and they’re so loud in congress, the fascists can’t even finish a sentence. AOC proposed that bill to legalize dueling after bobo threatened to shoot her, and every republican voted against it; that was a really good one. filibustering everything, challenging everything. it’s honestly kind of funny to watch. fascists do not know how to adapt to that. I say fascists; they won’t admit it, but we all kinda know, right? DW; dems got out backs, no matter what, even if it loses them some rich donors. i dropped like fifty tubmans on a donation to my congressman last week; you should too.
so yeah, we should stand up for the democratic party. The same way they stood up for us so many times. we owe them that.
haha holy shit this is preem.
saving this for later copypasta purposes.
you are a fucking gent/lady/gentleperson.
thanks! I just learned lemmy has a character limit. revised a bit to get fit more in.
well until we figure out how to decouple hypothetical data from needing physical, real storage it tracks that every site, no matter the purpose, would need data delimiting of some kind. don’t mean to sound facetious, i like, genuinely believe we are living during some singularity shit. don’t buy the media buzzwords or anything, but, knowledge seems to be solvable. the moment someone or something discovers >exponential returns on learning we’re cooked.
but anyway, your comment fr captured a lot of sentiment i have trouble expressing as an american zoomer in 2025. it’s so hard to explain to people from different places and different times how this all feels. people who are similar in age seem to be more aware of what’s going on; but, overall there is this shadow of ignorance over everyone and everything that manifests in different forms with each and every individual. there’s no one unified way to fight it.
i have a shitty thread i made in one of the c/unpopularopinion comms or something to kind of vent about everything and it kind of opened my eyes to how everyone is aware of what’s going on but completely unconcious as to what it all entails.
in the words of the great philosopher bob dylan, “and don’t speak too soon, for the wheel’s still in spin”
decouple data from needing physical real storage
oof. so, information is physical. that means that ‘decoupling information from physical real storage’ is up there with “perpetual motion machine”. if you did that, it wouldn’t be information or usable anymore. there is a theoretical lower limit on the amount of energy to store a single bit. get on libgen and grab yourself a book on information theory.
‘the information: a history, a theory, a flood’ for pop-sci outlining of the concepts, but it was written a while ago so some of the ‘lets see how this goes’ near the end is kind of hilarious when you look at the neon-genesis-evangellion assed megaproject-to-kill-truth thing.
‘elements of information theory’ is fine if you’re comfy enough with equations rather than narratives.
if you want to do something about the problems, try mutual aid. try organizing. get a gun. you’re gonna have to kill some nazis, if you want to keep all your friends. It’s worth it, if you’ve still got most of yours.
What world are you living in?
They had 4 years to fight Trump and make sure he was properly tried and sentenced for his crimes and they just didn’t because they didn’t want to look like they were going after political opponents. They have actually done next to nothing to fight him.
And the “mistake” they don’t want to interrupt is Trump deporting people to random countries, setting up a giant concentration camp in gitmo, cutting cancer research funding and making life he’ll for trans people. So maybe they SHOULD interrupt this mistake, with more than just signs.
Anyone with 2 ears and 2 eyes saw and heard the warnings. This is on the American people who chose not to vote their way out of this. I don’t care what they didn’t accomplish, it could’ve been cut and dry if people just voted.
people don’t “choose” to not vote on the scales we see in america today.
the fact that ~64% of just eligible voters, not even the entire population, is considered “historic turnouts” tells you all you need to know about the “democracy” we live in.
the vast, vast majority of americans are disenfranchised, and always have been. people do not choose to be oppressed.
when will it be kosher to say this out loud?
the rhetoric spread in this comment i am replying to is in service of the fascists and their goals. “of course this is happening, they deserved it.”
don’t fall for their lies
don’t fall for their lies
don’t fall for their lies
we can stand united, together. not just here, across the globe. workers of the world unite & all.
If that were true, it’s a dumb election strategy to sit back and wait while your opponent puts an end to free and fair elections.
This is all on the American people now, not their so called leaders. They could start a coup, anything really. As an outsider I don’t give a shit what Obama has to say about the situation. But it would be incredibly inspiring to see the people.wake up and take back their counry
As an outsider
people.wake up and take back their counry
Yeah it’s clear you’re an outsider by that ridiculous statement alone. My state is bigger than many nations, and the rural areas are full of people who support these morons. Oh, and they have a lot of very illegal weaponry and a victim complex, just waiting to kill those who they see as coming after them
What even can they do?
This, for better or worse, is the will of the people. It’s not like nobody knew this was going to happen.
What even can they do?
- Refuse Democratic cooperation on a single Republican nominee or bill without severe concessions.
- Hang any Democrat who dares utter the word “bipartisanship” from a lamp post.
- Boycott important Trump speeches.
- Refuse to assist in passing laws that will give the president more power.
- Filibuster everything and use every iota of resistance in the Senate possible.
- Participate in direct protests like Al Green - every single member should have done the same thing.
- Participate and lead street protests directly.
- Demand lawful access to government buildings, enter by force if necessary.
- Have candidates for 2028 start running for president NOW, to serve as foci and centers of resistance.
- Start drafting a “Project 2029” now. Be just as prepared as Trump’s team was.
They are not doing any of these things.
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Start running town halls and hit adds where republican lawmakers run from their own constituents.
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stop bitching about decorum or voting to censor the one guy who stood up for American democracy.
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stop pretending like it’s the voter’s fault you lost them
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start talking about solutions to problems rather than bitching about how awful trump is. One liners that don’t require an associates degree in economics. And focus on problems of average Americans. Not “The Economy™️”
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This. Even if they don’t have any real power in the Senate or the House, they should be fighting and actively resisting on every front.
Protests, occupations, or any other popular movement initiated by the people will serve nothing unless they are clearly supported by the Democrats.
Kind of a suicide move. Like, they let the mass murderer in, so you’re letting everyone die to spite them.
We know that project 2025 is essentially a complete dismantling of democracy, so what the hell do they think they’ll get out of letting it happen? Aside from lined up against a wall?
I dunno, man, waiting until the last minute to start trying Donald when we all know how slow the wheels of justice grind in this country doesn’t seem tooth and nail to me.
Way too good of an analogy in too many ways.
Nah, the pigs might be incompetent cowards but they aren’t as complicit as dems
I know, you don’t ever gotta give it to them, but still
Edit: Wait, if I remember correctly (easy to confuse these things when there’s so many of them), they stopped people from doing what they themselves should be doing, right? Nevermind, it’s perfect.
… the school shooter wasn’t voted class president by the students.
And Democrats aren’t armed or in a position of authority to stop it.
At some point they were in authority and could have made a difference…. But they decided to watch what would happen if they did nothing.
Dems haven’t had 60 seats in the senate since 1979. In 12 of the 16 most recent congresses they had less than 50.
I was specifically talking about Garland who didn’t investigate Trump, until it was too late.
Republicans take a bad idea and make it worse.
The assumption here is that Democrats are just cowards. That is the more flattering of two options, but the less likely one.
The other one is that they are actually quite okay with what is happening, because their masters are.
Fuck…
The perfect analogy for the fucking US of A.
The parents trying to get in are the progressives
-get install actualleftistparty
Edit: I don’t even use Linux. I’m being infected by your stink.
Hit: 1 in DNC Fetched 60 senators in 16 months Reading policy stances...Done Building volunteer organizations...Done Defending election outcomes...Done 219 house members can be upgraded, type "apt list --rebublicans" to see them. [actualleftist@admin]:
sudo apt get *
I run as root in my non existent Linux.
non existent Linux when will the distro proliferation end
If we’re being technical, it’s actually a GNothing OS, where the G stands for GNothing.
You’re well versed in the memes for a non user, I’m impressed.
what lemmy does to a mf
Yeah, it happens over time. I did have a Linux dual boot once on one machine in around 2009 and posted in slashdot. And a damnsmall live CD.
sudo apt install actualleftistparty && sudo apt --purge autoremove magats
You don’t do that in America (if you want to win). You take an existing party and push it in your direction. That’s how the party of Reagan is embracing tariffs.
Ask the whigs about it.
Just meet me at the
I thought we were going to talk about 3rd parties once it’s not critical to democracy.
When are we going to wise up and realize that people who vacillate between “I won’t vote for genocide” and “why won’t the Democrats save us!?” are a fucking opp designed to kneecap the left?
people who vacillate between “I won’t vote for genocide” and "why won’t the Democrats save us!?
Those aren’t conflicting opinions, my guy. These people exist and are actual leftists who want the party to be what they pretend to be
Source: I’ve fuckin met many IRL, trippy I know
If you want to not kneecapping the left, you could start by not slurring progressives as “a fucking opp.”
There are steps that need to be taken to get third parties.
First and foremost is the adoption of a voting system that can not only support third parties, but help them grow.
TLDR; Fight for Approval if you just want third parties to exist and occasionally win, Fight for STAR if you want third parties to grow and become powerful.
Now for the long part, talking about the problems with first past the post voting, and how that shapes the political discourse. Or you can watch this video.
Also, before anyone breaks in with Ranked Choice or IRV as it’s called, you might want to read up on the flaws section here.
And I’d write more, but the dog wants a walk, and that’s more important right now.
Exactly. Division got us here. Only unity will get us out.
Ah yes, unity. The unity of attacking third parties. Of suing candidates to remove them from the ballot. Of refusing to run a primary to learn the wishes of the party. What great unity. I’ll pass on the party of “nothing will fundamentally change” with your views of “unity” like that.
I agree we need to come together so the left stops losing. But the democrats do not agree with that, and will actively sabotage it as much as possible. And until that changes, we’re fucked. We need a party willing to adapt to the people on the left, not republicans.
Do you truly expect that to emerge and take hold of majority in two years? That’s very naive.
Literally just asking the democrats to not attack leftists, and adopt like fucking any popular leftist policies, be open to changing for the better, not simply say “sorry best we can do is trump+1”
Of the people, it’s not a big ask. Sadly the people don’t seem to matter as much as corporations for some weird reason.
Unity centered around what? The party of the less bad? Of the horrible leadership? The party that only does one genocide? The not Trump party? The party of “we will not trash the economy”?
I could get behind that, but this federation has not been a democracy for a while. Not when you need more states won and several would require United Nations observers if they were countries. So, in some places it’s just a lost cause.
People need to be disabused of the notion this is a fair fight won by normal rules. New leadership and splintering is exactly what is needed.
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Republicans vote in a block. If we split the left in the midterms, the Republicans will retain control. Simple as that.
I don’t see how my very well known ignorance, and what I said, have anything in common.
I do see hackers disrupting x today. That group, whatever their motives or how well I would like them, is doing more to restore good governance than then the entirety of the Democratic Party, if you look at events today.
What have the democrats done today? Since midnight. Tell me some stuff and I might reconsider my stance
They can’t do anything but filibuster in the Senate with congressional minority. The left abandoned them at the polls to prove a point, and are now complaining that they’re ineffective with no control. You need to learn about our governmental structure.
The left abandoned them
Wait, the whole left? Like a block of people ? No…
I do agree me and others should understand more about government and get involved. More than watching a few old people in capital hill doing some useless motions while the nation goes under .
This will naturally happen if things go as expected, and I probably will not like that answer any more than you
INCOMING TRADE OFFER:
You get: slower tweets for maybe a week
They get: removing everybody’s social security, dismantling of NATO, end of federal public education funding, 20 Million (conservative estimate) people removed from Medicaid, deportation on basis of ethnicity/heritage
We cannot settle for petty attacks on the state. We need to reclaim the state. Vote blue no matter who, any Democrat is better than any Republican.
Unity centered around what?
Participation. Making things a tiny bit better when possible, and if not that, then minimizing damage.
Making things better nationally is hard. But locally, change can be efffected — my city (San Francisco) has ranked choice voting for local offices. It’s awesome, and I vote for who I want first. It’s small, but it’s a start.
Every US election is called the most important election. All of them. At some point I think the only way out is to make someone lose because of their support of FPTP.
Mission accomplished, then. Harris losing is a statement to the world that Not-Trump isn’t good enough.
But in doing these theatrics you’ve empowered a fascist oligarchy. Maybe it wasn’t worth it, maybe electing enough Dems to reverse citizens united and tax the rich would have been the better concession of the two.
I think “we” realized it from day 1.
And, yet, here we are.
A screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of a tweet put on top of a photo of a concert (?) where the person adds nothing. Why do people do this lol
@glimse didn’t realize it was pitch black. And what was likely to happen around a certain hungry memer.
Clout
I will reblog this every time
(Please include me)
Yeah, pretty accurate. One cop tries to do something and gets dragged away by the rest
the government is not here to be your friend. the government is not here to be your enemy. the government is here to ensure there is a tomorrow.
…and they are failing miserably
the government is not here to be your enemy.
“The government” as an abstract entity might not mean to be anyone’s “enemy,” but the one currently running the show absolutely views its own people as such.
I never set out to be anyone’s enemy. I want a peaceful life, like most people do. Yet, by doing no more than the radical act of “existing,” the current United States government has hand-picked me and others like me to be their enemies. Anyone who’s LGBTQ, female, non-white, foreign-born, science-minded, and/or financially poor is liable to be scapegoated (at best) or outright targetted by those currently in charge.
Make no mistake - “the government” might not be here to be anyone’s enemy, but this government definitely is.
really funny considering they’re the ones destroying our “tomorrow”
Well, you see, you got a bunch of Neanderthals saying it should be run like a business, and businesses piss literally everyone off to a high degree, so here we are.
Running things like a business means all the money goes to the guy at the top and his buddies, and the rest should be glad they still have a job.
We had millions of tomorrows before governments even existed.
Governments are here to more strictly enforce social contracts. They do this with varying levels of consent, but that is nevertheless what they do.
Hardly. They’re there to enforce the will of politicians, who are funded and influenced by the owning class (regardless of who voted for them once every four years).
If you only vote every four years then you’re part of the problem.
I wasn’t being literal, in fact I vote every year (not US), along with participating in political parties and union organizing.
Someone else posed it this way: The Democrats exist to solicit donors; getting elected sometimes is a side effect. Big money has wrecked their ability to oppose what is happening.
That saying is really good when it’s not being actively destroyed
The government exists to govern you, exploit you, enslave you.
There’s reason to be cynical but not outright nihilistic. Also, most of that is due to corporations and lobbyists in the US.
No, that’s also the case in most countries. Corporations and their political influence aren’t a US-only phenomenon - they legally own almost all major media outlets around the world, along with holding influential positions in each economy which can pressure their governments into compliance. If a government doesn’t earn the general support of the owning class, it doesn’t have a realistic chance of remaining in government, either by corporations funding and endorsing alternative parties in elections, or through boss strikes to sabotage the national economy if a government they don’t like does somehow get elected (e.g. Allende in Chile). A modern government cannot survive without either the support of major corporations trying to exploit their workers, unless they empower the workers to overpower the corporations and survive off their strength instead (which, in practice, contradicts capitalism).
Capitalism doesn’t exist without forming those corporations, so governments tending to billionaires isn’t some weird quirk, or some US phenomenon, it’s a systematic trait of capitalism which happens every time.
Did at least 51 put of 100 cops have to agree before busting down the door?
And the voters are the people who elected the shooters to run the town
Whut
Sudo Apt-get install gun-control