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    The pricing of this is really going to fuck them.

    BotW should be like $10 by now. The fucking DLC for it still costs twice that.

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    Ah yes, the Deck vs. Switch debate. One offers performance and affordability, the other offers nostalgia at premium prices. Choose your fighter: the powerhouse or the Pokémon tax.

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      Considering the Steam Deck can run just about every console game ever made up to PS2 gen (and a good amount made after), I’d say they have the Switch 2 beat on nostalgia.

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      You can emulate almost any Nintendo game from before 2016 on a steamdeck. Just got to wait a few more years for the switch emulators to get efficient enough to run well on the steam deck!

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      I know I’m not the standard pokemon fan, but showdown still exists if you just like to battle. The in-game gameplay of pokemon has always been a little lackluster to me and I don’t like VGC/doubles.

      ROM hacks can be fun, and I have done some self imposed challenge runs. I can’t see myself finishing any of the Prof oak challenges I did without emu speedup.

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      I still have my GBC with pokemon yellow and a flash cart with (almost, missing the new ones) every GB and GBC rom in existence on it that supports save states, and can emulate many switch games on the deck iirc if I were somehow nostalgic for those, and in fact can emulate basically any nintendo game from history I may be nostalgic for better than the switch, among other games nintendo didn’t make.

      Which one is the real nostalgia machine? (Hint: It’s the Gameboy Color lol)

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    Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don’t have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.

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        GOG is also DRM-free and lets you download the game installer as a backup, even if they’ve been pushing hard for their GOG Galaxy clients as of lately.

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          Indeed, it’s not their main goal either. Unfortunately tools like Lutris, while doing awesome work, are utterly overwhelmed by both the influx of people as well as the amount of games. And while most GOG games work with the auto-generated installers, many do not and require custom installers that are often unmaintained and quickly become outdated.

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          Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered up with heroic (heroic got their own affiliate link). Until now it works pretty well.

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            Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered

            Stop spreading this nonsense.

            Heroic added affiliated links to their software that anyone can apply for (without notifying the users at first).

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                I am not sure if you replied to the wrong thread, good for you that it works for your needs, but

                My point is that GOG did not drop Linux support and instead partnered with another company. Not about the quality of the software.

                1. Gog waning Linux support is completely unrelated to Heroic
                2. Gog did not seek partnership
                3. Heroic devs just applied to a program that anyone can apply to.

                That said, it is shady to inject links and not notify it on the release note or change log. I think there was a message on their mastodon at some point, and the implementation crashed for some people with more restrictive firewall on their network, there were some discussions on the issues page of their code repository.

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          Yep. In the case of Factorio, for now at least, it’s evergreen. It’s priced cheaper than it probably could be honestly and it’ll only get better. Likely anyone not interested with the current price tag isn’t interested at all. Not going on sale means you never feel the need to wait for a sale. You just buy it when you want to.

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            Even though I bought the expansion and haven’t even played a single second of it yet (factorio burn out is real). It’s still the cheapest game I’ve ever legally acquired in terms of £/s

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              I never agree with the $/time metric being used, but it is the easiest. I prefer (enjoyment/time)/$. If a game drags itself out just to keep me playing, I don’t value that.

              With that said, Factorio is great for this too. Even with the current price (which is not the price I paid), it’s an amazing value. Once you consider the mods that are available, it’s easily worth the price.

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            Same thing with RimWorld. They only go down like 10% because they want players who want the game for what it is, not just a cheap bargain. I respect it. A lot of love put into that game.

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              I wonder when the next Rimworld expansion is coming, presumably not too far off by now? Curious to see what new warcrimes it adds.

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      I think it depends on the developer sometimes, for example when Microsoft announced they were going to delist Forza Horizon 4 (June of last year) they put it on sale multiple times at 80% until it was delisted on December 16

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      Steam is clearly playing the long game with Steam Deck and Steam OS, they’re basically trying to slowly normalize portable gaming pcs. If they achieve this Nintendo will not be just facing competition from Steam Deck but from multiple devices from the likes of Asus, Lenovo, Dell (Alienware).

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      Absolutely. Nintendo has huge fanbase with most of them not caring about Nintendo ripping them off and Nintendo has some of the most highly regarded and iconic gaming IPs in the world and Nintendo has insane marketing budget behind the Switch 2 and the switch doubles as a home console.

      I love the Deck but it’s not going to outsell the Switch and I think Valve isn’t interested in pulling people away from the Switch. Valve made the Deck primarily for Steam users and that’s who they’re targeting.

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          On the Steam Deck? Possible. On Steam? I guess technically possible if you add a third party game. But actually on Steam? Nintendo can’t even give a tech demo out for free, I can’t imagine what would have to happen for Nintendo to put their games on Steam.

          You can also play Minecraft on the Steam Deck and technically you can also play Apex Legends on the Deck (if you install Windows and play through that), but all of it depends on the user being a tinkerer. But the casual gamer is not a tinkerer which means those possibilities have next to no impact on the wider market.

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            I have a feeling there will be an increase in tinkerers as the cost of staying casual continues to increase to unreasonable levels.

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      Even PS Portal sales is not that far from Deck. You know, the handheld that people said won’t sell

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    I don’t know what Nintendo was thinking by doing the Nintendo tax bullshit harder than ever during a time when Americans are facing such heavy financial burdens

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      These tariffs suck for sure, but America is not the center of the world : the pricing of these games is insane and looks like a poor marketing decision globally

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        I’m aware, but it’s worth noting since America is usually a big consumer country, and right now, we can’t onsume.

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      Most likely they came up with the plan while people thought Trump was not going to do the crazy stuff he kept talking about…

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        To still go through with it and have Doug Bowser give this “Do you guys not have phones?” level bullshit defense?

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          It seems these idiots do not have the emotional intelligence we try to enforce in toddlers to recognize when a mistake was done, make apologies and rectify… instead they quadruple down and keep pushing as if their idea is now even more genius than before.

          This is how we end up with Trump literally destroying the US economy while people wonder “is it outrageous stupidity or intergalactic 17 dimensional chess?”

          We have never (to my knowledge) lived in a real life, non analogy, of the Emperor has no clothes

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    My wife wanted a switch for her birthday since my son is getting older and wants to spend more time playing games. So we waited on the Switch 2 Direct announcement and it was clearly just a cash grab. Even the hardware demo “game” is a digital purchase. The Chat button only works with a subscription. €90,- for a Mario Kart game and expensive upgrades for games you already own.

    So Steamdeck it is, the OLED model is a bit pricey, but i’ve only been hearing good things. And it wil run emulators which is an added boon.

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        Switch emulators are still just as easy to find as they always were. Most people include them with the game.

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        Don’t forget Wii U! Oh, right, they ported everything worthwhile to the Switch.

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        Sidebar in my community has links for the surviving Switch emu forks, but I haven’t tried installing them on Linux/Deck yet.

        Assume it’s going to be far more manual than a Flatpak or whatever for the time being :S

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          It literally is just install a flatpak, then configure the control scheme in the emu, maybe tweak some settings, add it to your steam library, map the steam controls to the emu controls in game mode.

          EmuDeck/RetroDeck automate most of this or you can just find the individual emus in the Discover software center.

          … They might actually perform better if you compiled the entire thing from source on your Deck, which is possible to do, but is significantly more of a hassle, gotta set up a root pw, turn off read only mode, hope you can actually find all the sources for the dependencies, know how to tune/tweak the compile parameters to optimally use the Deck’s hardware…

          Ive gotten Ryujinx working via flatpak… but uh… lets just say I’d have to delve into OCing/PowerToolsing my Deck to get it to actually run many Switch/WiiU games at a playable framerate.

          It works, its stable software wise… but the Deck isn’t quite powerful enough.

          … Also, it could be that most modern emus are designed to map consoles onto traditional PC architecture, and ironically the Deck uses an APU which is closer to many consoles, so it doesn’t actually perform as well as it could with better support.

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            How does 3DS run? I have a hacked Switch so can just run Switch games on that, but 3DS is beyond the Switch’s capabilities.

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              So, I have literally never used a 3ds emulator before, ever.

              EmuDeck set up Azahar in a few minutes, a few minutes more for me to find an OoT rom, a few minutes more to dl it…

              …a few minutes more to figure out that the EmuDeck parser thing either isn’t working at finding 3ds files … or I am a moron and you just install the .cia (what a file extension name) into the Emu, in Desktop mode.

              Add the Azahar emulator itself into steam library via EmuDeck which launches Steam Rom Manager…

              Back out into game mode, launch Azahar, launch OoT, and yep, it works, also wow I forgot the 3ds has two screens, Azahar’s default render screen sectioning for this is weird, but it works!

              Turn on performance overlay, looks like I’m getting a solid 60 fps, rendering the main game screen at double the DS’s native resolution.

              Start a new save file, go through the intro sequence, run around in my treehouse room a bit…

              All works, save for a few instances of the audio playing… a bit too fast, or too slow, for maybe a split second, in a few parts of the Navi flying really fast intro sequence.

              … So… seems to work just fine, basically?

              Probably I could tinker with Azahar’s settings a bit to see if I can iron out the mild audio quirks, but I’d say thats pretty good for a total elapsed time of about 30 minutes, and me having literally zero experience with 3ds emus, much less on a Deck.

              EmuDeck handled making up the control scheme layout in Game Mode, which worked fine in game, automatically, I just had to deal with some mild awkwardness of double clicking on OoT with the trackpad to launch it.

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                Thanks for trying it out! Sounds like it’ll require tinkering to get games running smoothly. About what I’d expect!

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                  It might be worth noting that I was running Azahar through Vulkan… which … I think is currently listed as an ‘experimental’ level of support by Azahar’s website.

                  It recommends OpenGL for better support and stability.

                  I ran around more in Kokiri Village, no more audio spikes. I think its just due to how certain cutscenes quick load scene transitions.

                  Also, I completely didn’t expect this to just work, but it does:

                  The secondary screen, that’s touch sensitive on a 3ds?

                  Well the Deck’s screen is touch sensitive as well.

                  Worked just fine to navigate through the map and item menus and what not, just poking the Deck’s screen itself.

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            I’m just referring to possibly outdated package repos which may not have kept up with the forks and all the drama, but I could be easily wrong with outdated info. I haven’t touched my steam deck in a couple months :p

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              EmuDeck isn’t letting you auto install Yuzu anymore…

              But it does install Ryujinx for you.

              But it doesn’t provide BIOS or prod/title keys, gotta find those on your own.

              There’s also Citron, but EmuDeck just lets you know it exists and won’t auto dl it.

              Ryujinx has a flatpak (though its a fork) in the base Discover store on a Deck running SteamOS, so its just on mainline flathub.

              Yuzu and Citron appear to no longer be on flathub.

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      Pretty sure you can.

      I mean it’s a Linux computer. So you could prob just call your friends on discord.

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    I already made a joke similar to this in another thread in another community, but… SteamOS does! What Windon’t.