Victor Perez, 17, who also had cerebral palsy, had been in a coma since the April 5 shooting, and tests Friday showed that he had no brain activity, his aunt, Ana Vazquez, told The Associated Press. He had undergone several surgeries, with doctors removing nine bullets and amputating his leg.
The shooting outraged Perez’s family and Pocatello residents, and about 200 people attended a vigil Saturday morning outside the Pocatello hospital where he was treated. Another crowd of protesters gathered outside the Pocatello City Hall building, which also houses the police department, on Saturday afternoon. Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest, though no violence was reported. Many of the protesters held signs with phrases like, “Do better, PPD” and “Justice for Victor,” and passing cars honked in acknowledgment.
All Cops Are Bastards
All Cops Are Illegitimate Children Born Out Of Wed-lock
ACAICBOOW 🤭
Really rolls right off the tongue!
Please at least know that’s not inherently the case. I’ve never been treated unfairly by the RCMP, but then Canada is my country, not yours, so I can understand you’ve probably never seen a cop who actually helped people. Police in the US are fucking awful, but that’s by design and not by trait.
ACAB is a slogan. It’s not factual in the strictest sense but it captures a truth. Statistically speaking, there is at least one good cop. Maybe even two. Real Andy Griffith, Carlton Lassiter types. Their existence does not change the fact that the system is rotten to the very core, and their tacit support for that system makes them bastards, even if they themselves have never abused anyone or covered for a colleague’s malpractice. Good cops exist, but they don’t last very long.
And as the sibling comment pointed out, institutionally speaking the RCMP is a god awful example if you’re trying to make a case for good cops.
Good cops get fired.
Or “friendly” fire accidents happen.
I’ve never been treated unfairly by the RCMP
I’m guessing you’re not indigenous.
Just because they’re nice to you doesn’t mean they’re not bastards
Maybe so, but at least here people are willing to fucking put themselves between a cop and a Native Canadian they try to abuse, take it to court and the news and the internet, and generally remind people that it’s not perfect here either. Also note that my location probably has better treatment of natives than the areas natives live, which is a problem caused by politicians just like it originally was in the US. At least we try to keep it in check and don’t deny it happens.
At least we try to keep it in check and don’t deny it happens.
but that’s what you just did in your defense of RCMP?
Dude, how do you still have this take in the year 2025…
All cops are bastards. Including your favorite cop.
Dude I have watched enough Lore Lodge to know that the RCMP are also absolute fuckwits, the difference is that they are lazy and incompetent not actively malicious.
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What a stupid headline. He was killed from a police shooting, not from being removed from life support.
Maybe next time a killer is on trail he cpuld just argue that the victim just happened to die later from blood loss, not from the shooting.
I wish headlines were more direct.
“Police killed…” “Teacher raped…” “Politician lied…”
Not “Victim died after police…” “Teacher had sex with underage student…” Etc
newspapers are long in the business of not getting sued.
If you write a story about a rich enough person, they have someone whose job it is to litigate every story about them. It’s automatic. They do something news worthy and all you do is repeat the fact, the lawsuit is on your desk the same day. Doesn’t matter how truthful it is, the lawsuit is there because they are rich.
Time we started making anti-money instead. The more you invest per period of time, the less privileges and opportunities you are allowed depending on how much anti-money you’re saddled with until you die.
Oh, you don’t like that this penalizes tall poppies? I am a tall poppy. The rich cut ME off. Why? Because I was never rich but I had skill and talent and I hate people who abuse authority. Because the rich don’t care about tall poppies, they care only about THEIR legacy. Fuck the shears and the gardener, everyone.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest
Hey hey hey now, if you’re going to protest our violence we may get you a whole lot more that, so be careful now!
Here’s a reminder that the Black Panthers started because people realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly met with police violence… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Turns out, cops are a lot less likely to blindly fire into crowds when the crowds are capable of returning fire with overwhelming force.
Even MLK Jr said that peaceful protest only gets you so far; Disrupting highway traffic is fine for bringing awareness to your plight, but at a certain point the lawmakers and dug-in oligarchs need to be forced to change.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest
Land of the free
We’ll kill you to keep you quiet about us killing you.
Bake 'em away, toys.
The officers, whose names have not been released, were placed on administrative leave.
Anonymity and a paid vacation for a lead amputation of a neurodivergent teen. And then they add insult to injury by posting up fucking snipers. I can’t say anything else that won’t get me a ban…
I can’t say anything about else that won’t get me a ban…
This is Lemmy, you have to worry less about banning for some stuff. But you do have to worry about things being really difficult to delete (potentially impossible, if any instances are maliciously recording things). And even upvotes and downvotes are public information in a Federated system.
That wasn’t hyperbole. That train of thought shouldn’t see the light of day.
Just a reminder, Blue Lives are supposed to matter less than everyone else. That’s why they sre issued a badge and a gun. They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community. At least, that’s the story we’re told as kids. It’s the justification used to obtain our consent to be policed.
If police are so afraid for their safety that they kill innocent civilians, even by mistake, then they do not deserve our consent. The do not deserve authority over us, they do not deserve the free use of force, and they do not deserve the legal deference provided them by our justice system.
Blue Lives Don’t Matter, or it’s fascism.
They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community.
Besides law enforcement in the US does have some origins from slave patrols.
The Supreme Court is entirely corrupt.
I don’t think he’s disagreeing with you, he’s saying that the law has said “No, police are just somehow allowed to do whatever they want and fuck you.” and that’s grounds for violent revolution because THEY JUST SHOT A KID. THEY WILL SHOOT YOUR KIDS. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18, THEY WILL KILL YOU.
5 out of 9 are anyway.
Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop
JFC.
Police: oops we shot someone we didn’t have to.
Also Police: perhaps shooting more people we don’t have to will make things better.
When the people get mad at police violence, the only tool in their toolbag is more violence
When the people get mad atpoliceviolence,the only tool in their toolbag is more violenceACAB
That’s what happens when we don’t penalize corruption.
In the
soviet russiaUSA corruption is rewarded!
For a spoiler on how that could work out for them, watch Winter on Fire
Dave Grossman is a conman who should be in prison for the shits he’s peddled to the LE community; and fostering and fomenting an “us against them”.
This was chosen by design. It’s the most racist and selfish fucking bullshit you could spew, it ruined policing in the US and that’s what the republicans wanted.
The kid was on the other side of a chain link fence fence! He was literally in a cage.
Why do we put the community’s biggest cowards in charge of protecting us?
Could it possibly be because the police are not there to protect you in the first place?
To protect (private property) and serve (the capitalist class).
They are trained to fear everything and everyone. They live in a paranoid fantasy world where everyone is out to get them. They are brainwashed into thinking they are the only thing protecting societal collapse. I’ve seen a cop post an image macro that says “police are more virtuous than superman because they protect people without having superpowers.” Of course that guy is also a white christian nationslist.
Yeah, he doesn’t have superpowers, but he is carrying a taser, an asp, and a gun at all times, and he has an arsenal in his trunk.
Cops are always whining about how dangerous their job is, but lists of Dangerous Jobs usually have them in the high teens. Sometimes they dont even make the top 20.
I’ve had two jobs in the top 5, and I have NEVER walked around demanding respect because my life was in constant danger.
Fucking babies.
EMS actually has a higher on the job mortality rate than law enforcement.
And I respect their service greatly. They actually provide a very valuable service to society.
Cops, on the other hand, are primarily predatory. As much as we see this sort of violent behavior, most of their job consists of sitting by the side of the road and pulling innocent drivers over and giving them a tax increase in the form of tickets. Most people don’t go through their day worring about getting shot by cops, but every driver spends every minute on the road watching out for cops.
I had active shooter training at work. They brought in this cop who said we should have our head on a swivel at all times! Bro, I’m more worried about getting crushed by a forklift or falling off the scissor lift, or losing a finger or some shit. We are not in an active warzone (yet).
I thought maybe there was someone else on the other side with him but nope, just him, stumbling towards a fence. That’s not policing that’s a fucking execution.
ACAB.
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nine bullets
Nine fucking bullets to stop a kid with a knife. What the fuck are these pigs thinking?
They didn’t even try to de-escalation the situation, or use non-lethal shit to try stop him. Just straight out emptying a magazine on him
Nine bullets that found their mark. In most police shootings it’s only about a quarter of shots that actually hit their intended target. It’s a miracle that nobody else was injured.
Nine bullets that hit the kid they were “aiming” at, who was on the other side of a chainlink fence that his cerebral palsy prevents him from scaling no less. Multiply the number of pigs involved by the magazine capacity of their firearms to find out how many rounds were actually fired.
Both awful shots, and fucking cowardly to boot.
They should be stripped of their authority and paraded through the streets tarred and fucking feathered for what they’ve done.
What they’ll get instead is paid leave, and moved to another precinct upon their return to work, at worst.
The US is fucked from the ground up, all Trump is doing is accelerating the decline, waving the corruption around like a flag, rather than behind closed doors. (Like it’s done everywhere else)
Edit: 4 pigs, guessing 11 round capacity, means 44 rounds expended, to hit with 9.
I have never fired a handgun in my life, and I am confident I could do better than that. The fact that “trained” individuals are this bad is humiliating to those involved.
Were they treating him like a fucking video game enemy or something?
No they weren’t. In video games when you kill someone you have to think before you do it because ammunition is scarce. This was more of a, so I started blasting kind of thing.
Activates god mode
Good point
ammunition is scarce
Depends on the game, in factorio you have an almost infinite amount of ammunition
People overestimate the stopping power of bullets. Bullets will indeed kill somebody but it’s not instant like in the movies.
Then maybe bullets aren’t the best way to stop someone with a knife… Pepper spray is pretty much instant, so is a taser. So is a baton to the wrist
Police are trained that it is an “us or them” situation every time they encounter someone. Everyone will try to kill you unless proven otherwise.
They are taught if someone has a knife pulled they will be able to kill them.
Now obviously a severely disabled teen would not be able to rush them before they pulled their weapons. But they are not taught to evaluate or deescalate these situations. They are taught to kill
True, which is why I think we should take away their guns. They want to waste money on toys? Let them get fishing nets and people catchers. Give them tactical weighted blankets
And if they actually need a gun, have them call a unit dedicated to having guns - another tier that doesn’t do traffic stops and wellness checks
Unfortunately I don’t think that would be practical in the US. We do have many people with guns and weapons in general. An overhaul of training and giving access to appropriate tools would be most important. As it stands US cops are taught that a gun is their best tool and that’s how they use it. Maybe enforce pairs where only the senior most trained officer has a gun?
Otherwise I would like to see a lot more unarmed units focused on community policing issues. Whether that be a part of the police force or not. I also agree with units that only do traffic enforcement nothing more. That alone would reduce cop shootings massively. Many departments treat traffic stops as a way to catch other crimes and could care less about enforcing traffic laws that keep us safe
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Amazing how police in other countries manage to de-escalate
They aren’t concerned with actual effectiveness. For attacking them with a weapon the pigs see summary execution as necessary.
Absolutely.
The purpose is not to kill
There are a lot of variables.
Yes, absolutely. But you you have somebody running towards you with a knife you don’t have time to consider and evaluate all of them. “Are they still moving” is pretty much all the input you can evaluate.
I’m not excusing the cops here. I’m just pointing out the misunderstanding of “why so many bullets” for which I will be heavily down-voted and shouted at.
Fair enough, but it seems like the cops should have the intelligence and situational awareness to understand the stopping power of a chain-link fence.
Im not a TRAINED cop, but I know that as long as he’s on the other side of the fence, armed only with a knife, I’m in no immediate danger, and I would use my words and my intelligence to try to talk him down.
If he jumps the fence, then it’s a different situation, but as long as he is caged, there are a LOT more steps to go through before we land on a magdump by multiple cops.
Frankly, I think the situation here is that one super-cowardly (or overly aggresive and trigger-happy) cop panicked and fired, and the rest unloaded, too, just to cover for the first one. Now they can’t just blame one bad cop, they have a bunch, which makes it look more justified. They probably talk about this strategy in the locker room - “If one fires, we all fire.”
I have heard multiple firearms trainers give statements to the effect of
If your open hand skill [unarmed fighting] sucks, you will rush to the firearm instead of other options because you don’t have faith in yourself. And when the first bullet doesn’t do the magic of an ‘instant stop’ like people pretend, you’ll end up mag dumping.
And if you watch police body-cam footage, you can see their panic switch pull the trigger, and then the cadence of gunfire rapidly picks up after that first shot.
Go look at any police force in Europe where the ‘suspect with a knife’ gets vastly different treatment.
- Police gang up and tackle them
- Nets/bolas style deployable restraints
- Low speed vehicle ramming to get the suspect on the floor and dazed
- Beanbag/less lethal shots to the body for pain compliance/muscle shock so they drop the knife
Euro cops almost always have a pistol, but the mentality is completely different regarding shoot v no-shoot
Yeah - it’s the panicy bit that’s such a problem. They failed the moment they opened fire. Cops need to be better trained to understand the difference between life threatening and not. And that frankly that their job is to accept some risk on behalf of the public.
Stories like this make my blood boil. Nothing will every be right until these thugs are put in jail where they belong. We are a long way from there right now. More than likely they will give them a raise for killing him.
Jail. You’re kinder than I.
we need counter snipers badly
Tired of these morons with tin badges killing with impunity. They say they’re afraid of everything, to justify killing. Maybe it’s time to give them something to actually fear. Maybe we’re afraid of them.
