On Google if I search “Mens Boots” I immediately see lots of results from shops in Amsterdam and near me selling boots.
When I use DuckDuckGo the results are useless unless I add “Amsterdam” and then it only shows me Amsterdam results, instead of Google which would also show me shops from Germany etc. That has quick delivery times etc.
What are my options? (Non-American would be great)
I’ve been using Kagi for a near a year now and it’s pretty good. Reminds me of old Google
Kagi is a fantastic search engine, gets all the critical shit right.
It’s fairly pricey though. I don’t mind some adds, and I can also use a add blocker.
I understand they have gone deep into LLMs, so take that into consideration
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Kagi has been amazing, I’m so disappointed every time I try to search for something on my work computer on Google.
Kagi
Isn’t it a paid service and ran by a Silicon Valley corporation…like Google?
Yeah it’s paid. They have a good rep for privacy
Been using Qwant for a while now, happy with it.
IMHO there is no perfect solution for this, but I switched to Searxng (which can be selfhosted) and Im happy with the results. Please note that Searxng is a Meta Search engine, that basically means its using multiple other search engines with less tracking afaik…
Yea there is no perfect solution, but we shouldn’t be looking for perfection. Every step in the right direction counts
AFAIK SearXNG is an aggregator and Whoogle is having trouble with using Google without JS
Replying to save this for later. I’m about to start on my own selfhosting project next week so I’ll definitely add this to my list
Qwant has been decent for me. Try it out and see how it goes
Thanks, this seems to be the best I’ve been able to find so far
Yeah, I find it more varied and there’s less ads. Ads are still there though, but they’ve been relevant to what I’m searching for so far.
I don’t have an issue with some adds, especially if they’re relevant to me.
They’re not relevant to me specifically, that would mean Qwant would need to collect data. But they’re relevant to the thing I’m searching, sort of.
Google ads were scary specific before I degoogled myself almost completely.
I’m fine with adds being somewhat specific to me.
eg. if I search
BootsI don’t mind that my search engine knows that I’m a man in my 40’s living in London and giving me results based on that.If I search
Bootson search engines that don’t tailor my experience at all, then I get useless results like snowboarding boots in the US.
In Spain I have to put .es at the end for local results.
However, I use Amazon to source the product I want then find the resellers website and buy directly from them.
My last purchase like that was an 80kg capacity bike trailer that was delivered from Germany and cost the exact same, and the company didn’t have to give Bezos any cut.
The results are decent, I would have liked if they had a “Products” page.
Here is a cool comparison chart I’ve found : https://searchengine.party/
For the moment, I’m using Qwant
Brave Search is the best imo. I’ve been using it for years.
Startpage works well. You also need a VPN and to use private mode in a browser with a low fingerprint.
That’s still supporting google, and not helping their competitors. I would like a EU alternative
Start page is Dutch. And skimming Google search results isn’t exactly a huge value add for Google, other than the stripped down results will include some Google-oriented SEO. A good ad blocker will effectively eliminate any benefit to Big G.
When I do your “men’s boots” test, it looks like I get better results using Qwant, which is European.
Have you tried Quant?
Qwant*
Nothing beats Google so you can use European based Startpage just like how DuckDuckGo is based on Microsoft Bing.
It doesn’t have to beat google, it just has to be close enough not to be annoying or not function properly.
Using Startpage still supports google, which is what I want to stop doing as much as possible.
It’s like saying supporting Google by using Brave which is Chromium.
I am not sure why qwant seems to get mentioned so frequently. My experience is that the search results are mediocre at best and they shove ads in your face on every page.
I highly recommend Kagi, I’ve been with them since basically the beginning and they have been fantastic. I do pay for their service, but the value proposition is absolutely there.
It’s fairly pricey though. $24/m for a family plan for me, with tax included. I don’t mind some adds, and I can also use a add blocker.
I’ve been fucking with kagi. And I like the results it seems more relevant to what I searched for.
